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CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
February 23 2011 04:51 GMT
#10461
this rule is just stupid. we want the 50 best players and thats it. thats not a freaking team league.
Inflexion
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada560 Posts
February 23 2011 04:52 GMT
#10462
I can understand Tyler's point of view, but Russ' point of view is very catered towards their goals about the league which is to spread e-sports throughout the west.

I think for their 'grandeur' view of esports growing it's sometimes more important for that '6th player' on the a team to make a sacrifice.

There is no black or white here, but I initially sided with Tyler, but after hearing Russ out, I gotta go with NASL's decision for 5 players max. For the sake of the 'bigger picture', I think this way is more beneficial for everyone.
Four wheels move the body; two wheels move the soul.
PSA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States243 Posts
February 23 2011 04:52 GMT
#10463
I don't know, I kind of have to side with Russ/Inc here. It is good for the health of league to have more diversity in teams. It sucks that people could be left out but with the time issue and collusion problems I think they have to stick to their guns on this one.
Huge fan of EG! Go IdrA, Huk, Puma, and all others. GO ASU SUN DEVILS!
LagT_T
Profile Joined March 2010
Argentina535 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 04:54:09
February 23 2011 04:52 GMT
#10464
Koreans teams have A teamers and B teamers, why can't foreign teams have that?
Edit. Grammar
"The tactics... no. Amateurs discuss tactics, professional soldiers study logistics." - Tom Clancy, Red Storm Rising
ExquisiteRed
Profile Joined February 2011
396 Posts
February 23 2011 04:53 GMT
#10465
Here's the deal though, I really dout Jinro is going to leave his s class position in Korea so they'd be fine anyway
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 04:55:13
February 23 2011 04:53 GMT
#10466
Doesnt change anything about collusion with the team limit. Any player who is at the bottom and has nothing to lose can still "throw games away" So many players are friends with each other.

In any case tyler makes very very very strong arguments. I dislike the team limit as well.
oursblanc
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1450 Posts
February 23 2011 04:54 GMT
#10467
On February 23 2011 13:53 ExquisiteRed wrote:
Here's the deal though, I really dout Jinro is going to leave his s class position in Korea so they'd be fine anyway

He can play both.
An oasis of horror in a desert of boredom!
Inflexion
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada560 Posts
February 23 2011 04:54 GMT
#10468
On February 23 2011 13:53 ExquisiteRed wrote:
Here's the deal though, I really dout Jinro is going to leave his s class position in Korea so they'd be fine anyway


A player of Jinro's caliber is very capable of winning the entire thing. He can play on the NA server during group stages and just fly to Cali when the playoffs happen. With a 1st place prize of $100,000, TL will DEFINITELY send him if he makes it to the playoffs.
Four wheels move the body; two wheels move the soul.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 04:56:12
February 23 2011 04:54 GMT
#10469
Ya I also agree with Tyler. I don't want to see random players from some no name team over... let's say Ddoro because Root has 5 other solid players. It seems like some teams may even consider somehow splitting up their team to allow more to play.

Edit:

On February 23 2011 13:53 ExquisiteRed wrote:
Here's the deal though, I really dout Jinro is going to leave his s class position in Korea so they'd be fine anyway


Here's the deal though, you are talking about one specific case. Saying "Team Liquid will be fine" doesn't mean all the other teams will. Even if they are, there are many possibilities for this to become a problem in the future.
kirbynator
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada503 Posts
February 23 2011 04:54 GMT
#10470
sorry, it's retarded.

you'll see people drop off of major teams and join 'other" teams that are brand new or just a front for players that were left out...
dano101
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada92 Posts
February 23 2011 04:56 GMT
#10471
agree with tyler, you just won't have the best 50 players if there's players on liquid etc that will have to sit out
If it bleeds, we can kill it.
Zingerac
Profile Joined July 2010
United States138 Posts
February 23 2011 04:57 GMT
#10472
On February 23 2011 13:54 Inflexion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 13:53 ExquisiteRed wrote:
Here's the deal though, I really dout Jinro is going to leave his s class position in Korea so they'd be fine anyway


A player of Jinro's caliber is very capable of winning the entire thing. He can play on the NA server during group stages and just fly to Cali when the playoffs happen. With a 1st place prize of $100,000, TL will DEFINITELY send him if he makes it to the playoffs.

There is a prize pool of 100,000 for the entire first tournament not for first place.
So basically the difference between me and deezer is that I don't need to look at his stream to know what hes doing- Liquid'Ret
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
February 23 2011 04:58 GMT
#10473
yeah if tl does something like team geasous it's hilarious because it's just another brand but for real the same team...
in the end the players will play for themselves because they want to win the money.
Hatorade
Profile Joined July 2010
299 Posts
February 23 2011 04:58 GMT
#10474
How is 5 divisions of 10 different than 10 divisions of 5 players so long as you play the same number of games? The best players should play period. As Tyler said the 5 player restriction may hinder new talents from going to top teams because it would stop them from being able to play in the largest prize pool tournament in NA, that isn't a point you can ignore or hope it works itself out.
Inflexion
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada560 Posts
February 23 2011 04:59 GMT
#10475
On February 23 2011 13:57 Zingerac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 13:54 Inflexion wrote:
On February 23 2011 13:53 ExquisiteRed wrote:
Here's the deal though, I really dout Jinro is going to leave his s class position in Korea so they'd be fine anyway


A player of Jinro's caliber is very capable of winning the entire thing. He can play on the NA server during group stages and just fly to Cali when the playoffs happen. With a 1st place prize of $100,000, TL will DEFINITELY send him if he makes it to the playoffs.

There is a prize pool of 100,000 for the entire first tournament not for first place.


Jinro is in the playoffs with a very high chance of winning (pretty much arguably the best foreigner Terran on the plant). You're telling me that even if the 1st place prize is $20,000, TL would not fly him to Cali to play in a tournament which he has a 50% chance to win $10,000 + ?? First place prize is at least $40,000 for NASL (assuming if prize pool is $100,000).
Four wheels move the body; two wheels move the soul.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
February 23 2011 04:59 GMT
#10476
On February 23 2011 13:52 Inflexion wrote:
I can understand Tyler's point of view, but Russ' point of view is very catered towards their goals about the league which is to spread e-sports throughout the west.

I think for their 'grandeur' view of esports growing it's sometimes more important for that '6th player' on the a team to make a sacrifice.

There is no black or white here, but I initially sided with Tyler, but after hearing Russ out, I gotta go with NASL's decision for 5 players max. For the sake of the 'bigger picture', I think this way is more beneficial for everyone.

The problem is risk, Root can't get an amazing sponsorship so it's risky to think that there will be 10 well sponsored teams. Obviously if it works out that'd be sweet, proleague in US.
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 05:00:25
February 23 2011 05:00 GMT
#10477
On February 23 2011 13:58 Hatorade wrote:
How is 5 divisions of 10 different than 10 divisions of 5 players so long as you play the same number of games? The best players should play period. As Tyler said the 5 player restriction may hinder new talents from going to top teams because it would stop them from being able to play in the largest prize pool tournament in NA, that isn't a point you can ignore or hope it works itself out.

From a spectators perspective it doesn't matter but from a players perspective that's playing 9 games compared to 4. And they want the players to play that many games.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
SleepTech
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States222 Posts
February 23 2011 05:04 GMT
#10478
InControl is a joke. He should not be one of the players leading the NASL. He needs to stop being a jerk to everyone.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
February 23 2011 05:05 GMT
#10479
lol what the fuck WhiteRa can't play
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
February 23 2011 05:06 GMT
#10480
On February 23 2011 14:05 floor exercise wrote:
lol what the fuck WhiteRa can't play


I believe he is actually a part of Mouz, he just isn't used really.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
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