• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:32
CEST 23:32
KST 06:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format12[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!5Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Is the larve respawn broken? BGE Stara Zagora to be held again in June 2025 Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back Serral wins HomeStory Cup 29
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
Etiquete rules in Asl? Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA) Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool
Tourneys
[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11250 users

Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 524

Forum Index > SC2 General
54608 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 522 523 524 525 526 2731 Next
CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
February 23 2011 04:51 GMT
#10461
this rule is just stupid. we want the 50 best players and thats it. thats not a freaking team league.
Inflexion
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada560 Posts
February 23 2011 04:52 GMT
#10462
I can understand Tyler's point of view, but Russ' point of view is very catered towards their goals about the league which is to spread e-sports throughout the west.

I think for their 'grandeur' view of esports growing it's sometimes more important for that '6th player' on the a team to make a sacrifice.

There is no black or white here, but I initially sided with Tyler, but after hearing Russ out, I gotta go with NASL's decision for 5 players max. For the sake of the 'bigger picture', I think this way is more beneficial for everyone.
Four wheels move the body; two wheels move the soul.
PSA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States243 Posts
February 23 2011 04:52 GMT
#10463
I don't know, I kind of have to side with Russ/Inc here. It is good for the health of league to have more diversity in teams. It sucks that people could be left out but with the time issue and collusion problems I think they have to stick to their guns on this one.
Huge fan of EG! Go IdrA, Huk, Puma, and all others. GO ASU SUN DEVILS!
LagT_T
Profile Joined March 2010
Argentina535 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 04:54:09
February 23 2011 04:52 GMT
#10464
Koreans teams have A teamers and B teamers, why can't foreign teams have that?
Edit. Grammar
"The tactics... no. Amateurs discuss tactics, professional soldiers study logistics." - Tom Clancy, Red Storm Rising
ExquisiteRed
Profile Joined February 2011
396 Posts
February 23 2011 04:53 GMT
#10465
Here's the deal though, I really dout Jinro is going to leave his s class position in Korea so they'd be fine anyway
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 04:55:13
February 23 2011 04:53 GMT
#10466
Doesnt change anything about collusion with the team limit. Any player who is at the bottom and has nothing to lose can still "throw games away" So many players are friends with each other.

In any case tyler makes very very very strong arguments. I dislike the team limit as well.
oursblanc
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1450 Posts
February 23 2011 04:54 GMT
#10467
On February 23 2011 13:53 ExquisiteRed wrote:
Here's the deal though, I really dout Jinro is going to leave his s class position in Korea so they'd be fine anyway

He can play both.
An oasis of horror in a desert of boredom!
Inflexion
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada560 Posts
February 23 2011 04:54 GMT
#10468
On February 23 2011 13:53 ExquisiteRed wrote:
Here's the deal though, I really dout Jinro is going to leave his s class position in Korea so they'd be fine anyway


A player of Jinro's caliber is very capable of winning the entire thing. He can play on the NA server during group stages and just fly to Cali when the playoffs happen. With a 1st place prize of $100,000, TL will DEFINITELY send him if he makes it to the playoffs.
Four wheels move the body; two wheels move the soul.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 04:56:12
February 23 2011 04:54 GMT
#10469
Ya I also agree with Tyler. I don't want to see random players from some no name team over... let's say Ddoro because Root has 5 other solid players. It seems like some teams may even consider somehow splitting up their team to allow more to play.

Edit:

On February 23 2011 13:53 ExquisiteRed wrote:
Here's the deal though, I really dout Jinro is going to leave his s class position in Korea so they'd be fine anyway


Here's the deal though, you are talking about one specific case. Saying "Team Liquid will be fine" doesn't mean all the other teams will. Even if they are, there are many possibilities for this to become a problem in the future.
kirbynator
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada503 Posts
February 23 2011 04:54 GMT
#10470
sorry, it's retarded.

you'll see people drop off of major teams and join 'other" teams that are brand new or just a front for players that were left out...
dano101
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada92 Posts
February 23 2011 04:56 GMT
#10471
agree with tyler, you just won't have the best 50 players if there's players on liquid etc that will have to sit out
If it bleeds, we can kill it.
Zingerac
Profile Joined July 2010
United States138 Posts
February 23 2011 04:57 GMT
#10472
On February 23 2011 13:54 Inflexion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 13:53 ExquisiteRed wrote:
Here's the deal though, I really dout Jinro is going to leave his s class position in Korea so they'd be fine anyway


A player of Jinro's caliber is very capable of winning the entire thing. He can play on the NA server during group stages and just fly to Cali when the playoffs happen. With a 1st place prize of $100,000, TL will DEFINITELY send him if he makes it to the playoffs.

There is a prize pool of 100,000 for the entire first tournament not for first place.
So basically the difference between me and deezer is that I don't need to look at his stream to know what hes doing- Liquid'Ret
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
February 23 2011 04:58 GMT
#10473
yeah if tl does something like team geasous it's hilarious because it's just another brand but for real the same team...
in the end the players will play for themselves because they want to win the money.
Hatorade
Profile Joined July 2010
299 Posts
February 23 2011 04:58 GMT
#10474
How is 5 divisions of 10 different than 10 divisions of 5 players so long as you play the same number of games? The best players should play period. As Tyler said the 5 player restriction may hinder new talents from going to top teams because it would stop them from being able to play in the largest prize pool tournament in NA, that isn't a point you can ignore or hope it works itself out.
Inflexion
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada560 Posts
February 23 2011 04:59 GMT
#10475
On February 23 2011 13:57 Zingerac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 13:54 Inflexion wrote:
On February 23 2011 13:53 ExquisiteRed wrote:
Here's the deal though, I really dout Jinro is going to leave his s class position in Korea so they'd be fine anyway


A player of Jinro's caliber is very capable of winning the entire thing. He can play on the NA server during group stages and just fly to Cali when the playoffs happen. With a 1st place prize of $100,000, TL will DEFINITELY send him if he makes it to the playoffs.

There is a prize pool of 100,000 for the entire first tournament not for first place.


Jinro is in the playoffs with a very high chance of winning (pretty much arguably the best foreigner Terran on the plant). You're telling me that even if the 1st place prize is $20,000, TL would not fly him to Cali to play in a tournament which he has a 50% chance to win $10,000 + ?? First place prize is at least $40,000 for NASL (assuming if prize pool is $100,000).
Four wheels move the body; two wheels move the soul.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
February 23 2011 04:59 GMT
#10476
On February 23 2011 13:52 Inflexion wrote:
I can understand Tyler's point of view, but Russ' point of view is very catered towards their goals about the league which is to spread e-sports throughout the west.

I think for their 'grandeur' view of esports growing it's sometimes more important for that '6th player' on the a team to make a sacrifice.

There is no black or white here, but I initially sided with Tyler, but after hearing Russ out, I gotta go with NASL's decision for 5 players max. For the sake of the 'bigger picture', I think this way is more beneficial for everyone.

The problem is risk, Root can't get an amazing sponsorship so it's risky to think that there will be 10 well sponsored teams. Obviously if it works out that'd be sweet, proleague in US.
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 05:00:25
February 23 2011 05:00 GMT
#10477
On February 23 2011 13:58 Hatorade wrote:
How is 5 divisions of 10 different than 10 divisions of 5 players so long as you play the same number of games? The best players should play period. As Tyler said the 5 player restriction may hinder new talents from going to top teams because it would stop them from being able to play in the largest prize pool tournament in NA, that isn't a point you can ignore or hope it works itself out.

From a spectators perspective it doesn't matter but from a players perspective that's playing 9 games compared to 4. And they want the players to play that many games.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
SleepTech
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States222 Posts
February 23 2011 05:04 GMT
#10478
InControl is a joke. He should not be one of the players leading the NASL. He needs to stop being a jerk to everyone.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
February 23 2011 05:05 GMT
#10479
lol what the fuck WhiteRa can't play
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
February 23 2011 05:06 GMT
#10480
On February 23 2011 14:05 floor exercise wrote:
lol what the fuck WhiteRa can't play


I believe he is actually a part of Mouz, he just isn't used really.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Prev 1 522 523 524 525 526 2731 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
17:00
Mid Season Playoffs
Percival vs Harstem
ShoWTimE vs Krystianer
SteadfastSC296
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 858
SteadfastSC 296
SpeCial 141
CosmosSc2 54
StarCraft: Brood War
910 53
League of Legends
KnowMe59
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0165
Other Games
gofns9766
tarik_tv5079
Beastyqt836
Liquid`Hasu529
XaKoH 99
UpATreeSC83
ViBE68
NeuroSwarm49
Trikslyr38
JuggernautJason25
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2322
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 110
• mYiSmile110
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 66
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra1067
Other Games
• imaqtpie952
• Shiphtur313
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
11h 28m
CrankTV Team League
13h 28m
WardiTV Qualifier
14h 28m
Epic.LAN
15h 28m
Big Brain Bouts
18h 28m
SHIN vs Elazer
Percival vs Nicoract
Reynor vs Lambo
Replay Cast
1d 2h
RSL Revival
1d 11h
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
1d 12h
Epic.LAN
1d 15h
IPSL
1d 18h
Dragon vs Hawk
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-13
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.