EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2512
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krisss
Luxembourg305 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
While I never catch you guys live, I have caught every single episode within days of it airing and I must say that I loved every single one. Can't wait at all! Thank you so much, this has to be a huge time/work commitement and I just adore the result so much. thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you | ||
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Kich
United States339 Posts
On October 17 2012 14:07 krisss wrote: While I completly agree that you should get paid for work (which includes work, that you love doing), i start missing the "underground eSports" days. This ("passion isnt enough anymore, +$$!") is maybe one of a few downsides of "GROWING ESPORTS". Well then stop being a hipster. It's ok to like something that's popular and more main stream. The misconception here is that passion isn't enough anymore, but it is. In fact it's passion that leads to they money. This notion you have (that others share) where no one in eSports should be making money--everything should be grass roots organizations just barely getting by, creating content and holding tournaments just to break even, is some really weird pseudo-love shit. To me that tells me that you don't actually care about it, you just care about looking like you care about it. You can't sit there and say that eSports was better even 2 years ago than it is today. As a whole, the streams / shows / tournaments / players / community are all much better, and passion is the only thing driving it. And the only way up is through investments, making it known, and sinking money into it. People bitch about how Riot "bought an eSport" -- yeah, they did, because they wanted one. And look at their game now. It's huge. The level of competition is insane, the stakes are higher than they've ever been for any game in history. Money is a good thing for everyone, because it lets people make a living doing this. The idea that people can actually sustain themselves for a long period of time doing completely free work is naive and unrealistic. | ||
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Vespasian
Romania44 Posts
On October 16 2012 03:04 hitpoint wrote: Thank God Artosis and Nony will still be there. And to all the retarded trolls that drove Geoff away; fuck you, seriously. be serious dude , Geoff does not participate from other reasons then trolls ,there are trolls in equal number everywhere. I suspect that his decision was more motivated by financial reasoning ... | ||
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CaptainCharisma
New Zealand808 Posts
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megacrack
Australia171 Posts
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Basique
Korea (South)40 Posts
On October 17 2012 14:33 Kich wrote: Well then stop being a hipster. It's ok to like something that's popular and more main stream. The misconception here is that passion isn't enough anymore, but it is. In fact it's passion that leads to they money. This notion you have (that others share) where no one in eSports should be making money--everything should be grass roots organizations just barely getting by, creating content and holding tournaments just to break even, is some really weird pseudo-love shit. To me that tells me that you don't actually care about it, you just care about looking like you care about it. You can't sit there and say that eSports was better even 2 years ago than it is today. As a whole, the streams / shows / tournaments / players / community are all much better, and passion is the only thing driving it. And the only way up is through investments, making it known, and sinking money into it. People bitch about how Riot "bought an eSport" -- yeah, they did, because they wanted one. And look at their game now. It's huge. The level of competition is insane, the stakes are higher than they've ever been for any game in history. Money is a good thing for everyone, because it lets people make a living doing this. The idea that people can actually sustain themselves for a long period of time doing completely free work is naive and unrealistic. Yeah I'm actually going to say it. I prefered it two years ago. I guess I'm a hipster, I just don't like when things get too big, because if you haven't realise, things change when it gets big. For the people involve in esport (player and tournaments) the more money in it the better, but as a viewer, I don't enjoy more huge tournament than small one. There are always going to be competition and I just can't care enough that it become huge. I actually should make a post about it. Why do people want it to become a huge mainstream stream ? I feel like there are always going to be homestory cup like things, no matter what. And i'll take that over MLG every day of the week. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1599 Posts
On October 17 2012 19:21 Vespasian wrote: be serious dude , Geoff does not participate from other reasons then trolls ,there are trolls in equal number everywhere. I suspect that his decision was more motivated by financial reasoning ... I doubt it he already gets paid by his team to be an esports figure, I don't think money is the reason. I don't think it is because of the trolls as JP suggested either. It was a show with the good ol' boys from BW fucking around having a good time. Now, it is a mix of people that won't mesh very well, at least not always. Apollo is a good caster and might be able to bullshit pretty well. Then you throw on QXC, no bullshit, but solid opinions on the game. Tyler, again, no bullshit, never talks. The show will be quite boring without someone to stir up the pot and people who are good enough to give it right back. I will still watch it, but I think they need to find a way to make this work with the better bullshitters. | ||
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krisss
Luxembourg305 Posts
On October 17 2012 14:33 Kich wrote: Well then stop being a hipster. It's ok to like something that's popular and more main stream. The misconception here is that passion isn't enough anymore, but it is. In fact it's passion that leads to they money. This notion you have (that others share) where no one in eSports should be making money--everything should be grass roots organizations just barely getting by, creating content and holding tournaments just to break even, is some really weird pseudo-love shit. To me that tells me that you don't actually care about it, you just care about looking like you care about it. You can't sit there and say that eSports was better even 2 years ago than it is today. As a whole, the streams / shows / tournaments / players / community are all much better, and passion is the only thing driving it. And the only way up is through investments, making it known, and sinking money into it. People bitch about how Riot "bought an eSport" -- yeah, they did, because they wanted one. And look at their game now. It's huge. The level of competition is insane, the stakes are higher than they've ever been for any game in history. Money is a good thing for everyone, because it lets people make a living doing this. The idea that people can actually sustain themselves for a long period of time doing completely free work is naive and unrealistic. Well i dont agree with you. As soon as money enters the market, the market changes. It changes alot, aswell as the actors inside of that market. Look at the changes football did in the last decades. A LOT of people complain that money ruined football. For example when Carlos Tevez moved from ManU to ManCity saying "i dont know why people are upset, its only 15km away". Or the sale of Liverpool FC to some investment dudes. Eventhou the football itself might be better now (an certainly is), I'm assuming that the passion was way better when money was not yet such an important factor. IMHO the more money the less passion. And im still saying that everyone should be paid for work. Also the SOTG crew. But the fact that everyone in the show apparently gets a different salary (propably based on their populatity) makes me think. Edit: I even can give you some examples of myself: I didnt know Artosis before Sc2. The big thing that made me like him was his passion. When he went with his camera to the code A qualifiers doing interviews, filming and updating everything on twitter. I was sitting in front of my pc updating twitter every 3 minutes. Yes, the quality was bad, but the passion was right there, and i had fun following the qualifiers more than 80% of the tournaments nowadays. Artosis does not do such things anymore. Khaldor does. Thats why he "replaced" Artosis for me. I see in Khaldor the same passion that was in Artosis before. Probaby Khaldor gets bigger and bigger and will be replaced by someone else, that takes some time off to do code A qualifiers. Tasteless (and A LOT of people from the early SC2) lost all the passion in my opinion. They would have gone away and find new challanges in their lifes, when money wasnt such a factor. Money keeps people to things they dont like, and i feel that SC2 is becoming more and more to "regular work" where people even say loudly that they do not enjoy Sc2 anymore. | ||
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Herper
501 Posts
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Girondelle
France969 Posts
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
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mcmartini
Australia1972 Posts
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Fueled
United States1610 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On October 18 2012 17:27 mcmartini wrote: So is there a VOD for this, there was nothing on jp's homepage? its today. | ||
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Qibla
Australia343 Posts
Maybe the date and time is wrong on the 1st page then, because on mine it says it was on at 6am on the 18th Oct AEST. It is now 9:30pm 18th Oct AEST. | ||
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Fueled
United States1610 Posts
Shaun Clark @ApolloSC2 I will be going on SOTG tonight ^.^ This should be fun :D | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On October 18 2012 19:30 Qibla wrote: Maybe the date and time is wrong on the 1st page then, because on mine it says it was on at 6am on the 18th Oct AEST. It is now 9:30pm 18th Oct AEST. It will be broadcast in exactly 24 minutes and 9 hours from now. | ||
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
On October 17 2012 22:49 NoobSkills wrote: I doubt it he already gets paid by his team to be an esports figure, I don't think money is the reason. I don't think it is because of the trolls as JP suggested either. It was a show with the good ol' boys from BW fucking around having a good time. Now, it is a mix of people that won't mesh very well, at least not always. Apollo is a good caster and might be able to bullshit pretty well. Then you throw on QXC, no bullshit, but solid opinions on the game. Tyler, again, no bullshit, never talks. The show will be quite boring without someone to stir up the pot and people who are good enough to give it right back. I will still watch it, but I think they need to find a way to make this work with the better bullshitters. He posted on Reddit (a post that was linked here a few pages back) his reasonings for not being on the show. While he spent a while blaming the trolls, he does mention that a big part of it was being paid the 2nd least. That would (I'm assuming who was paid more than him), that he didn't want to do it because he wasn't paid as much as JP and Artosis. He even makes it explicitly clear that if he were paid more he would do it, he just felt that he wasn't being paid enough in comparison to everyone else, nor enough to balance out the fact that he's an idiot and does stupid stuff that enrages the community (his point, not mine). And as I posted back when it was first linked, I think it's ridiculous. He gets paid more than 99% of every pro-foreigner, and he decided not to do the show because he wasn't getting paid as much as the host and the juggernaut that is Artosis? Complete nonsense. | ||
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Qibla
Australia343 Posts
On October 18 2012 19:36 Fragile51 wrote: It will be broadcast in exactly 24 minutes and 9 hours from now. Ok, so that would make it 7am on the 19th Oct AEST. Good work TL  | ||
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