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windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
November 22 2011 01:28 GMT
#36021
On November 22 2011 05:56 btlVega wrote:
Another good topic for SOTG: The removal of Ghosts from sc2

Seriously what happened with that?


??

What are you talking about?
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 08:05:20
November 22 2011 01:33 GMT
#36022
On November 22 2011 10:17 CarelessPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 09:57 Alpino wrote:
On November 22 2011 09:40 Hoodlum wrote:
On November 22 2011 01:42 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
- Nestea & Naniwa "conflict"

What's that about? Did I miss something?

Ya its kinda been blown up... I'm curious though... why did Nani open up the replay after the dead game... you have to know that is fucked up, he didnt get much info so im not saying he was cheating but it was obvious that he was trying to... if nestea was gonna 6 pool or some wonky shit like that then Nani would have figured it out.


Oh, hey flawed argument, you again.


conflict was Naniwa won vs Nestea so he basicly said he overestimated Nestea to think hes smart but rather found out hes an idiot during the interview after the game so Nestea got really angry and wanted to beat Naniwa but lost again vs Naniwa later in the tourament.

IMO Nestea lost to haypro... =.= ZvZ. Enough said. WTF As good as haypro might be, if Nestea is the Nestea we know how the fuck do you lose to haypro in a match up you dominate. Its like DRG losing to drewbie .


Haypro has quietly been becoming far better and has been taking a game of ZvZ off Korean zergs for awhile now. Also Naniwa never called Nestea an idiot, what he said was that moving out with all your drones like that was idiotic, which it was. The only other "insult" he made to Nestea in that interview was where he said Nestea wasnt the best ZvP and instead cited teh zergs who beat him in Code A and Leenock (who 2 days later would beat him in finals).
chasmofcrisis
Profile Joined October 2010
60 Posts
November 22 2011 01:40 GMT
#36023
On November 22 2011 09:40 Hoodlum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 01:42 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
- Nestea & Naniwa "conflict"

What's that about? Did I miss something?

Ya its kinda been blown up... I'm curious though... why did Nani open up the replay after the dead game... you have to know that is fucked up, he didnt get much info so im not saying he was cheating but it was obvious that he was trying to... if nestea was gonna 6 pool or some wonky shit like that then Nani would have figured it out.


There was no rule about it at the time. However, MLG needs to make a rule about it. There are some really important things that you can see if you look at a replay from the early game like whether or not Nestea was scouting proxy locations or where he was sending overlords that Naniwa could pick off with his first stalker.
Bensio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom621 Posts
November 22 2011 01:42 GMT
#36024
On November 22 2011 10:40 chasmofcrisis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 09:40 Hoodlum wrote:
On November 22 2011 01:42 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
- Nestea & Naniwa "conflict"

What's that about? Did I miss something?

Ya its kinda been blown up... I'm curious though... why did Nani open up the replay after the dead game... you have to know that is fucked up, he didnt get much info so im not saying he was cheating but it was obvious that he was trying to... if nestea was gonna 6 pool or some wonky shit like that then Nani would have figured it out.


There was no rule about it at the time. However, MLG needs to make a rule about it. There are some really important things that you can see if you look at a replay from the early game like whether or not Nestea was scouting proxy locations or where he was sending overlords that Naniwa could pick off with his first stalker.


more importantly, would nestea hatch first on that map, and if he did, should I cannon rush?
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
November 22 2011 01:42 GMT
#36025
On November 22 2011 10:28 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 05:56 btlVega wrote:
Another good topic for SOTG: The removal of Ghosts from sc2

Seriously what happened with that?


??

What are you talking about?


I imagine it is a joke poking fun at the fact that we saw no ghosts at MLG (or at least I didn't out of the games I saw). If anything it definitely seemed like there were far less.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
November 22 2011 03:47 GMT
#36026
On November 22 2011 10:42 Bensio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 10:40 chasmofcrisis wrote:
On November 22 2011 09:40 Hoodlum wrote:
On November 22 2011 01:42 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
- Nestea & Naniwa "conflict"

What's that about? Did I miss something?

Ya its kinda been blown up... I'm curious though... why did Nani open up the replay after the dead game... you have to know that is fucked up, he didnt get much info so im not saying he was cheating but it was obvious that he was trying to... if nestea was gonna 6 pool or some wonky shit like that then Nani would have figured it out.


There was no rule about it at the time. However, MLG needs to make a rule about it. There are some really important things that you can see if you look at a replay from the early game like whether or not Nestea was scouting proxy locations or where he was sending overlords that Naniwa could pick off with his first stalker.


more importantly, would nestea hatch first on that map, and if he did, should I cannon rush?

What everyone seemingly ignores, though, is that watching the replay was completely superfluous. The second they left the game, the full build-order was 100% available.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
November 22 2011 04:02 GMT
#36027
On November 22 2011 12:47 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 10:42 Bensio wrote:
On November 22 2011 10:40 chasmofcrisis wrote:
On November 22 2011 09:40 Hoodlum wrote:
On November 22 2011 01:42 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
- Nestea & Naniwa "conflict"

What's that about? Did I miss something?

Ya its kinda been blown up... I'm curious though... why did Nani open up the replay after the dead game... you have to know that is fucked up, he didnt get much info so im not saying he was cheating but it was obvious that he was trying to... if nestea was gonna 6 pool or some wonky shit like that then Nani would have figured it out.


There was no rule about it at the time. However, MLG needs to make a rule about it. There are some really important things that you can see if you look at a replay from the early game like whether or not Nestea was scouting proxy locations or where he was sending overlords that Naniwa could pick off with his first stalker.


more importantly, would nestea hatch first on that map, and if he did, should I cannon rush?

What everyone seemingly ignores, though, is that watching the replay was completely superfluous. The second they left the game, the full build-order was 100% available.


Is it against the rules to look at the BO after the game?
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
November 22 2011 04:08 GMT
#36028
On November 22 2011 13:02 TheSwamp wrote:
Is it against the rules to look at the BO after the game?

Doubt it. NesTea himself looked at replays during his series against Boxer (the admins told him to stop too). Obviously different, because there wasn't a game restart, but apparently watching replays in-between games is a common occurrence.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
November 22 2011 04:51 GMT
#36029
On November 22 2011 10:42 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 10:28 windsupernova wrote:
On November 22 2011 05:56 btlVega wrote:
Another good topic for SOTG: The removal of Ghosts from sc2

Seriously what happened with that?


??

What are you talking about?


I imagine it is a joke poking fun at the fact that we saw no ghosts at MLG (or at least I didn't out of the games I saw). If anything it definitely seemed like there were far less.

the entire lower bracket was terrans against terrans or zergs screwing over terrans.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Riotgrrrl
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada73 Posts
November 22 2011 05:44 GMT
#36030
did state of the game happen yet? Is there a vod up?
And its basketball Bow Wow lets go
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
November 22 2011 06:08 GMT
#36031
On November 22 2011 10:42 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 10:28 windsupernova wrote:
On November 22 2011 05:56 btlVega wrote:
Another good topic for SOTG: The removal of Ghosts from sc2

Seriously what happened with that?


??

What are you talking about?


I imagine it is a joke poking fun at the fact that we saw no ghosts at MLG (or at least I didn't out of the games I saw). If anything it definitely seemed like there were far less.


Ahh oh Ok. Hahaha too many people basing their views on MLG alone it seems. Although I remember seeing plenty ghosts at MLG anyways.

I thought that Blizzard had made an announcement or something
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Ruyguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada988 Posts
November 22 2011 06:19 GMT
#36032
On November 22 2011 14:44 Riot grrrl wrote:
did state of the game happen yet? Is there a vod up?

tomorrow night dood!
ProxiFruit
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia27 Posts
November 22 2011 07:51 GMT
#36033
On November 22 2011 10:33 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 10:17 CarelessPride wrote:
On November 22 2011 09:57 Alpino wrote:
On November 22 2011 09:40 Hoodlum wrote:
On November 22 2011 01:42 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
- Nestea & Naniwa "conflict"

What's that about? Did I miss something?

Ya its kinda been blown up... I'm curious though... why did Nani open up the replay after the dead game... you have to know that is fucked up, he didnt get much info so im not saying he was cheating but it was obvious that he was trying to... if nestea was gonna 6 pool or some wonky shit like that then Nani would have figured it out.


Oh, hey flawed argument, you again.


conflict was Naniwa won vs Nestea so he basicly said he overestimated Nestea to think hes smart but rather found out hes an idiot during the interview after the game so Nestea got really angry and wanted to beat Naniwa but lost again vs Naniwa later in the tourament.

IMO Nestea lost to haypro... =.= ZvZ. Enough said. WTF As good as haypro might be, if Nestea is the Nestea we know how the fuck do you lose to haypro in a match up you dominate. Its like DRG losing to drewbie .


Haypro has quietly been becoming far better and has been taking a game of ZvZ off Korean zergs for awhile now. Also Naniwa never called Nestea an idiot, what he said was that moving out with all your drowns like that was idiotic, which it was. The only other "insult" he made to Nestea in that interview was where he said Nestea wasnt the best ZvP and instead cited teh zergs who beat him in Code A and Leenock (who 2 days later would beat him in finals).


Its hard to take your statement seriously when you spell drones as "drowns".
Pew!
FunnyPicture
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden147 Posts
November 22 2011 07:58 GMT
#36034
On November 22 2011 16:51 ProxiFruit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 10:33 Adreme wrote:
On November 22 2011 10:17 CarelessPride wrote:
On November 22 2011 09:57 Alpino wrote:
On November 22 2011 09:40 Hoodlum wrote:
On November 22 2011 01:42 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
- Nestea & Naniwa "conflict"

What's that about? Did I miss something?

Ya its kinda been blown up... I'm curious though... why did Nani open up the replay after the dead game... you have to know that is fucked up, he didnt get much info so im not saying he was cheating but it was obvious that he was trying to... if nestea was gonna 6 pool or some wonky shit like that then Nani would have figured it out.


Oh, hey flawed argument, you again.


conflict was Naniwa won vs Nestea so he basicly said he overestimated Nestea to think hes smart but rather found out hes an idiot during the interview after the game so Nestea got really angry and wanted to beat Naniwa but lost again vs Naniwa later in the tourament.

IMO Nestea lost to haypro... =.= ZvZ. Enough said. WTF As good as haypro might be, if Nestea is the Nestea we know how the fuck do you lose to haypro in a match up you dominate. Its like DRG losing to drewbie .


Haypro has quietly been becoming far better and has been taking a game of ZvZ off Korean zergs for awhile now. Also Naniwa never called Nestea an idiot, what he said was that moving out with all your drowns like that was idiotic, which it was. The only other "insult" he made to Nestea in that interview was where he said Nestea wasnt the best ZvP and instead cited teh zergs who beat him in Code A and Leenock (who 2 days later would beat him in finals).


Its hard to take your statement seriously when you spell drones as "drowns".


Drowns = retarded drones?
GMonster
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
686 Posts
November 22 2011 07:58 GMT
#36035
On November 22 2011 15:08 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 10:42 Chicane wrote:
On November 22 2011 10:28 windsupernova wrote:
On November 22 2011 05:56 btlVega wrote:
Another good topic for SOTG: The removal of Ghosts from sc2

Seriously what happened with that?


??

What are you talking about?


I imagine it is a joke poking fun at the fact that we saw no ghosts at MLG (or at least I didn't out of the games I saw). If anything it definitely seemed like there were far less.


Ahh oh Ok. Hahaha too many people basing their views on MLG alone it seems. Although I remember seeing plenty ghosts at MLG anyways.

I thought that Blizzard had made an announcement or something


Just to serious note this up. Its not that Terran's weren't using ghosts, its that they had no time to transition into Ghosts. Naniwa was VERY good at exploiting a lot of timings in Mvp where if Mvp would of gone 2 rax ghost push or transition to early the upgrades would murder mvp. Remember 2 ghost + academy is 1-1 upgrades.

And as far as ZvT, they are still... kind of under used but you need about 10 ghosts before they become effective against BL/Ultra compositions. Puma's builds were gearing twoards the mech/ghost style but idra was didn't allow him to take the 3rd base easily without inflicting damage to a expensive army that needed to be replenished in game 2. ANd game 3 there really wanst time to get Ghosts. Game 1 was just really a build order win / catching idra at a bad time.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10801 Posts
November 22 2011 08:02 GMT
#36036
Thorzain used tons of ghosts at IPL4 (but did not make it all that far).
bLah.
Profile Joined July 2009
Croatia497 Posts
November 22 2011 10:06 GMT
#36037
About ghosts. Basically since that patch there's huge difference betwen 2 emps now and 2 emps before patch. So ghosts aren't that great until you can get 4-5 of them.
+toss players can attack in some timings if they see that terran is going for ghosts. That's basically why we don't see that many ghosts. Even if you look at GSL you can see how ghosts are made after 15min mark.

As for TvZ, ghosts are just so late game + terran needs time to get them out, to transision into rax with tech labs and then into ghosts. So either terran has to be ahead or there needs to be some small stalemate when terran will get them.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 22 2011 10:07 GMT
#36038
Whos on this weeks SOTG? Idra Artosis will be @ Dreamhack, and Day9...

Tyler
Geoff
Itmejp

thats all thats left?
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chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
November 22 2011 10:14 GMT
#36039
I would watch for these three guys alone =) but I'm sure they will be able to get two guests.
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Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
November 22 2011 10:45 GMT
#36040
On November 22 2011 19:07 Pandemona wrote:
Whos on this weeks SOTG? Idra Artosis will be @ Dreamhack, and Day9...

Tyler
Geoff
Itmejp

thats all thats left?


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