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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
October 20 2011 17:49 GMT
#34021
Yeah, theres no way i want to listen to Mp3 instead of VoD. JP needs to upload them faster so we don't need to wait for 2 days!

No really, thanks for the VoD. Great episode this week.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
meowmeow-
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany291 Posts
October 20 2011 18:15 GMT
#34022
On October 21 2011 01:34 meowmeow- wrote:
Hey,

could anyone shed some light on the comedian at who has been shat on by the cast?

I didn't see any IPL so is missed that little nugget of entertainment.


Help me out please

Any link to this genius?
Or a name at least?
Life is short, waste it wisely.
MisterTea
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1047 Posts
October 20 2011 18:17 GMT
#34023
On October 21 2011 03:15 meowmeow- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 01:34 meowmeow- wrote:
Hey,

could anyone shed some light on the comedian at who has been shat on by the cast?

I didn't see any IPL so is missed that little nugget of entertainment.


Help me out please

Any link to this genius?
Or a name at least?

your life will be better if you do not try to find this man
brum
Profile Joined January 2011
Hungary187 Posts
October 20 2011 18:23 GMT
#34024
On October 21 2011 03:17 MisterTea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 03:15 meowmeow- wrote:
On October 21 2011 01:34 meowmeow- wrote:
Hey,

could anyone shed some light on the comedian at who has been shat on by the cast?

I didn't see any IPL so is missed that little nugget of entertainment.


Help me out please

Any link to this genius?
Or a name at least?

your life will be better if you do not try to find this man

He does not want to be found. And he shouldn't be found.
For humanity's sake...

..Stop trying.
Le BucheRON
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada619 Posts
October 20 2011 18:30 GMT
#34025
On October 21 2011 03:23 brum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 03:17 MisterTea wrote:
On October 21 2011 03:15 meowmeow- wrote:
On October 21 2011 01:34 meowmeow- wrote:
Hey,

could anyone shed some light on the comedian at who has been shat on by the cast?

I didn't see any IPL so is missed that little nugget of entertainment.


Help me out please

Any link to this genius?
Or a name at least?

your life will be better if you do not try to find this man

He does not want to be found. And he shouldn't be found.
For humanity's sake...

..Stop trying.


I guess I just have to believe in my heart of hearts that he was, in fact, THAT bad. I'm a believer.

Guess who`s special?!
rolfe
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
October 20 2011 18:34 GMT
#34026
On October 21 2011 03:15 meowmeow- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 01:34 meowmeow- wrote:
Hey,

could anyone shed some light on the comedian at who has been shat on by the cast?

I didn't see any IPL so is missed that little nugget of entertainment.


Help me out please

Any link to this genius?
Or a name at least?

it was randy something. i missed it so i don't know quite how bad he was. just search randy on r/starcraft and you will probably find it.

anyway thanks for the vod JP!
life will not be contained. Life breaks free, it expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously but there it is. Life finds a way
blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
October 20 2011 18:37 GMT
#34027
Artosis said all the foreigners that are doing well now have all been in korea training.. I dont believe Stephano has been in korea in sc2 or wc3 or any other game ever? Or am I wrong... I know he is going there but yea..?! Am I right?
Liquid
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
October 20 2011 18:40 GMT
#34028
On October 20 2011 13:29 HigoSeco wrote:
Blizzcon isn't supossed to be the most competitive tournament. It's clear that blizzard's intention is for it to be some sort of World Cup (like FIFA's World Cup for football (soccer)) and everyone know that kind of tournament puts regional representation over competitivenes.


I don't know soccer(football) well, but it doesn't seem like it's a poorly run tournament.

With the maps blizzard is using, it would be like using some shitty artificial turf in soccer.
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
October 20 2011 19:01 GMT
#34029
I was laughing the entire segment where they were talking about the new unit previews. When Artosis started talking about the anti-graviton beam, I died. That was insanely funny.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler █ MVP ■ MC ■ Boxer ■ Grubby █
meowmeow-
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany291 Posts
October 20 2011 19:01 GMT
#34030
Or simply a square ball.
Life is short, waste it wisely.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9404 Posts
October 20 2011 19:12 GMT
#34031
On October 19 2011 23:54 althaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2011 23:20 Condor Hero wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:13 rpgalon wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:01 HypernovA wrote:
I'm starting to dislike this show more and more. Every single show with the exception of a couple, we always have 3 or 4 Protoss users and/or 2 or 3 Zerg users and whenever the topic of balance or units or gameplay comes up, they start to shit on Terran, just like in last night's episiode. This is really starting to wear down and the show REALLY needs a Terran as a permanent host.


terran is the happiest race of SC2, they don't realy need SOTG =P

Terran has nothing else to complain about except representation on SotG.


lol, so true.

Terran is widely thought of as the strongest race (and results seem to bear this out pretty convincingly). That's at the pro level, which is what the SotG lads are talking about. That doesn't mean at your level Terran is OP (because excepting a couple of abusive builds, eg: 1-1-1) Terran is arguably the race that needs the best mechanics to play at a high level. Don't get your back up about it Terran players, your race might be OP, but at your level it actually doesn't matter.


Remove GSL code s players from the equations and teran is doing the worst of all races.

Its true that terran is really rewarding when your code s korean player, but its also the most difficult race to play in a macro game.
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
October 20 2011 19:18 GMT
#34032
On October 21 2011 01:54 Rabbitmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 01:38 turdburgler wrote:
On October 20 2011 13:29 HigoSeco wrote:
Blizzcon isn't supossed to be the most competitive tournament. It's clear that blizzard's intention is for it to be some sort of World Cup (like FIFA's World Cup for football (soccer)) and everyone know that kind of tournament puts regional representation over competitivenes.



i dont see your point at all. in football atleast (in theory) you dont need everyone to play everyone in order to see who the best team is. theres no clear cut race structure or counter pick system between teams, the team that wins the world cup is 9/10 times the best team in the world.

at this stage in sc2 you could say the same thing, the koreans are so far ahead (at the very very top) that theres no question of counter picks to beat certain people who fell out at the regional stage.


Im no football expert by any means. But wouldn't most "high tier" football clubs (such as barcelona, manchester united etc etc) beat any World Cup team? Which is exactly his point. National representation over competetiveness.


It's not similar at all. It's not like Manchester United is made of entirely different roster than the British national team. Manchester United has players from a number of different countries.

The best analogy I could give would be if you had 3v3 teams made up by nationality and then 3v3 teams made up of SC teams like Dignitas and Liquid. It's just not comparable at all. Also, the World Cup is super prestigious. Whether or not you get better play from the club teams doesn't change the fact that winning the World Cup is probably the most prestigious thing for a team and its players.

Where does the idea that the World Cup is a second rate tournament come from?
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler █ MVP ■ MC ■ Boxer ■ Grubby █
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
October 20 2011 19:21 GMT
#34033
On October 21 2011 04:12 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2011 23:54 althaz wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:20 Condor Hero wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:13 rpgalon wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:01 HypernovA wrote:
I'm starting to dislike this show more and more. Every single show with the exception of a couple, we always have 3 or 4 Protoss users and/or 2 or 3 Zerg users and whenever the topic of balance or units or gameplay comes up, they start to shit on Terran, just like in last night's episiode. This is really starting to wear down and the show REALLY needs a Terran as a permanent host.


terran is the happiest race of SC2, they don't realy need SOTG =P

Terran has nothing else to complain about except representation on SotG.


lol, so true.

Terran is widely thought of as the strongest race (and results seem to bear this out pretty convincingly). That's at the pro level, which is what the SotG lads are talking about. That doesn't mean at your level Terran is OP (because excepting a couple of abusive builds, eg: 1-1-1) Terran is arguably the race that needs the best mechanics to play at a high level. Don't get your back up about it Terran players, your race might be OP, but at your level it actually doesn't matter.


Remove GSL code s players from the equations and teran is doing the worst of all races.

Its true that terran is really rewarding when your code s korean player, but its also the most difficult race to play in a macro game.


Yeah, the race win rate graphs would beg to differ: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272754

Terran has been on top in Korea and Internationally forever. Looking at how long it has been going on, it is not even close. Where does this idea come from that only Code S Terrans are good and all other Terrans suck? I'm pretty sure players like Select, Sjow, ThorZaiN, and Kas would be good examples against this.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler █ MVP ■ MC ■ Boxer ■ Grubby █
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
October 20 2011 19:28 GMT
#34034
On October 21 2011 04:18 flowSthead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 01:54 Rabbitmaster wrote:
On October 21 2011 01:38 turdburgler wrote:
On October 20 2011 13:29 HigoSeco wrote:
Blizzcon isn't supossed to be the most competitive tournament. It's clear that blizzard's intention is for it to be some sort of World Cup (like FIFA's World Cup for football (soccer)) and everyone know that kind of tournament puts regional representation over competitivenes.



i dont see your point at all. in football atleast (in theory) you dont need everyone to play everyone in order to see who the best team is. theres no clear cut race structure or counter pick system between teams, the team that wins the world cup is 9/10 times the best team in the world.

at this stage in sc2 you could say the same thing, the koreans are so far ahead (at the very very top) that theres no question of counter picks to beat certain people who fell out at the regional stage.


Im no football expert by any means. But wouldn't most "high tier" football clubs (such as barcelona, manchester united etc etc) beat any World Cup team? Which is exactly his point. National representation over competetiveness.


It's not similar at all. It's not like Manchester United is made of entirely different roster than the British national team. Manchester United has players from a number of different countries.

The best analogy I could give would be if you had 3v3 teams made up by nationality and then 3v3 teams made up of SC teams like Dignitas and Liquid. It's just not comparable at all. Also, the World Cup is super prestigious. Whether or not you get better play from the club teams doesn't change the fact that winning the World Cup is probably the most prestigious thing for a team and its players.

Where does the idea that the World Cup is a second rate tournament come from?


I think it's mostly an american idea, since most players here in US, players do not care about articipating in world tournaments, except for the olympics.. maybe. Everybody that is anybody plays in the WC though, the stakes cannot be higher by a wide margin.

Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 19:33:26
October 20 2011 19:32 GMT
#34035
On October 21 2011 04:21 flowSthead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 04:12 Hider wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:54 althaz wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:20 Condor Hero wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:13 rpgalon wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:01 HypernovA wrote:
I'm starting to dislike this show more and more. Every single show with the exception of a couple, we always have 3 or 4 Protoss users and/or 2 or 3 Zerg users and whenever the topic of balance or units or gameplay comes up, they start to shit on Terran, just like in last night's episiode. This is really starting to wear down and the show REALLY needs a Terran as a permanent host.


terran is the happiest race of SC2, they don't realy need SOTG =P

Terran has nothing else to complain about except representation on SotG.


lol, so true.

Terran is widely thought of as the strongest race (and results seem to bear this out pretty convincingly). That's at the pro level, which is what the SotG lads are talking about. That doesn't mean at your level Terran is OP (because excepting a couple of abusive builds, eg: 1-1-1) Terran is arguably the race that needs the best mechanics to play at a high level. Don't get your back up about it Terran players, your race might be OP, but at your level it actually doesn't matter.


Remove GSL code s players from the equations and teran is doing the worst of all races.

Its true that terran is really rewarding when your code s korean player, but its also the most difficult race to play in a macro game.


Yeah, the race win rate graphs would beg to differ: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272754

Terran has been on top in Korea and Internationally forever. Looking at how long it has been going on, it is not even close. Where does this idea come from that only Code S Terrans are good and all other Terrans suck? I'm pretty sure players like Select, Sjow, ThorZaiN, and Kas would be good examples against this.


What tournaments are terran players winning? 2 times blizzcon ( select, major) is like everything a foreign terran player has won since thorzain won tsl 3.

PLayers like ret, idra, stephano barely practices compared to the foreign terran players. Zerg is just easier to play in a macro game, terran requires a lot better mechanics.

Since there are no state of the terrans, non-terran players will never realize how much more difficult terran is to play.
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
October 20 2011 20:17 GMT
#34036
On October 21 2011 04:32 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 04:21 flowSthead wrote:
On October 21 2011 04:12 Hider wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:54 althaz wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:20 Condor Hero wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:13 rpgalon wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:01 HypernovA wrote:
I'm starting to dislike this show more and more. Every single show with the exception of a couple, we always have 3 or 4 Protoss users and/or 2 or 3 Zerg users and whenever the topic of balance or units or gameplay comes up, they start to shit on Terran, just like in last night's episiode. This is really starting to wear down and the show REALLY needs a Terran as a permanent host.


terran is the happiest race of SC2, they don't realy need SOTG =P

Terran has nothing else to complain about except representation on SotG.


lol, so true.

Terran is widely thought of as the strongest race (and results seem to bear this out pretty convincingly). That's at the pro level, which is what the SotG lads are talking about. That doesn't mean at your level Terran is OP (because excepting a couple of abusive builds, eg: 1-1-1) Terran is arguably the race that needs the best mechanics to play at a high level. Don't get your back up about it Terran players, your race might be OP, but at your level it actually doesn't matter.


Remove GSL code s players from the equations and teran is doing the worst of all races.

Its true that terran is really rewarding when your code s korean player, but its also the most difficult race to play in a macro game.


Yeah, the race win rate graphs would beg to differ: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272754

Terran has been on top in Korea and Internationally forever. Looking at how long it has been going on, it is not even close. Where does this idea come from that only Code S Terrans are good and all other Terrans suck? I'm pretty sure players like Select, Sjow, ThorZaiN, and Kas would be good examples against this.


What tournaments are terran players winning? 2 times blizzcon ( select, major) is like everything a foreign terran player has won since thorzain won tsl 3.

PLayers like ret, idra, stephano barely practices compared to the foreign terran players. Zerg is just easier to play in a macro game, terran requires a lot better mechanics.

Since there are no state of the terrans, non-terran players will never realize how much more difficult terran is to play.


Man, I am so glad you are here to tell everyone how much more Terrans practice than Zergs and Protoss. I mean you would know this because you've been to all of their team houses and all of their homes watching them practice. So you know how long of a time they spend practicing. It would also clearly be impossible for say a Zerg player like Losira to have a good Terran game since he is just a Zerg that doesn't know how hard it is to play Terran...

You also realize that it is not just about how many tournaments Terran players are winning? If a Zerg wins a tournament and 3 of the top 4 are Terrans does that mean Zerg or Terran is the one doing better? Well it could be neither. There is so much variance in individual tournaments and with individual players, that your point is kind of ridiculous.

I don't think there is much evidence to suggest that Terran is doing the worst out of all the races internationally.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler █ MVP ■ MC ■ Boxer ■ Grubby █
Soulrivers
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden46 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 20:36:39
October 20 2011 20:36 GMT
#34037
Watch Huk's cam at 3:07 in part 2.
FinBenton
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland870 Posts
October 20 2011 20:39 GMT
#34038
Great episode, laughed a lot, thank you :D
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
October 20 2011 21:18 GMT
#34039
Anybody else think the new aesthetic style is just shy of a good thing?

It looks really slick and beautiful with the overlay, but it's just absurd to have JP being this giant overlord looming over all the guests' little faces. This isn't JP's show. JP makes the show flow, but nobody's watching because of JP. His presence certainly doesn't justify his cam being four times the size of everybody else's.
Are you human?
Hoodlum
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States350 Posts
October 20 2011 21:25 GMT
#34040
On October 21 2011 04:21 flowSthead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 04:12 Hider wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:54 althaz wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:20 Condor Hero wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:13 rpgalon wrote:
On October 19 2011 23:01 HypernovA wrote:
I'm starting to dislike this show more and more. Every single show with the exception of a couple, we always have 3 or 4 Protoss users and/or 2 or 3 Zerg users and whenever the topic of balance or units or gameplay comes up, they start to shit on Terran, just like in last night's episiode. This is really starting to wear down and the show REALLY needs a Terran as a permanent host.


terran is the happiest race of SC2, they don't realy need SOTG =P

Terran has nothing else to complain about except representation on SotG.


lol, so true.

Terran is widely thought of as the strongest race (and results seem to bear this out pretty convincingly). That's at the pro level, which is what the SotG lads are talking about. That doesn't mean at your level Terran is OP (because excepting a couple of abusive builds, eg: 1-1-1) Terran is arguably the race that needs the best mechanics to play at a high level. Don't get your back up about it Terran players, your race might be OP, but at your level it actually doesn't matter.


Remove GSL code s players from the equations and teran is doing the worst of all races.

Its true that terran is really rewarding when your code s korean player, but its also the most difficult race to play in a macro game.


Yeah, the race win rate graphs would beg to differ: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272754

Terran has been on top in Korea and Internationally forever. Looking at how long it has been going on, it is not even close. Where does this idea come from that only Code S Terrans are good and all other Terrans suck? I'm pretty sure players like Select, Sjow, ThorZaiN, and Kas would be good examples against this.


First I think it is awesome that you have select, sjow, thorzain, and KAS... kas is good but its funny he gets thrown in that group. Second you can do that with any race.

Zergs are good because they have Idra, ret, stepano, etc. The top foreigners are toss and zerg respectively (idra and huk) Whens the last major event that any of those terrans won? I don't to get into this silly discussion cause it's not like your being objective or anything but korean terrans are op... foriegn terrans are on par with all the other races so less QQ more Pew Pew xD
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