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On October 19 2011 14:54 Duravi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 14:39 windsupernova wrote:On October 19 2011 14:37 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Did tyler just admit he goes on /v/? /v/ is a pretty decent community man. Not GAF tier but its up there. But most gaming communities are kinda crappy though... In a lot of ways /v/ is better than reddit (with a large amount of overlap, content is quickly shared between the two) and 4chan in general has many of the same problems as reddit does as well (see Anderson Cooper). The fact that for some reason it is okay to promote reddit but /v/ cannot be mentioned is a double standard based out out of ignorance.
I find /v/ is a lot better at creating content that's actually funny. The whole sudoku thing had me in tears when I first read about it, the same with Banjo and the 5000 by 5000 reaction images. /v/ is just good at keeping things that are funny funny and disregarding the rest. From what I've seen on reddit, the jokes are alright like they bring a smile to my face but they almost never have me in tears and everything on reddit seems more like an episodic TV show where every day is a new episode without much linkage.
Just my two cents. Love you Tyler.
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/v/ is good because they have so much fun and don't take themselves too seriously
obviously TL has a million resources and is the best in a million different ways. but for pure fun when an event is going on, f5'ing /v/ is da best.
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On October 19 2011 15:07 ketomai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 15:02 Quotidian wrote:On October 19 2011 14:47 Oreo7 wrote:On October 19 2011 14:44 Raiznhell wrote:
It's sad that there's all this Terran hate and it's simply not fair. The show should be made for the entire community not just for Protoss players to gather and QQ for half the show and then only have good quality discussion in the other half of the show. Full disclosure, I play toss. That said, I think they do a pretty good job filtering their comments considering what protoss has gone through in this past month or 2 months or so. Theirs a huuuge variety of 1/1/1 allins terran can throw, all of which are incredibly frustrating to deal with, and even if doesn't allin, the balance of lategame TvP is questionable, and all of this is evidenced by a lacking presence of protoss in Code S. They really could have gone farther than they did. Btw, Demuslim has admitted more than once that their are problems with terran balance, so I think the relief you're expecting to arrive with a terran host might never come. a lot of terran pros also admit to tvp being their most difficult match-up, so what a pro here and a pro there says makes zero difference. SOTG has become a toss whine-fest and it's really beyond the point of being cute or funny. It's just sad and pathetic at this point. If terran is so OP, just fucking switch races - they're in it for the wins/money after all. The fact that they're not switching proves that they're just whining and letting off steam and there's little truth to what they're whining about. Everybody whines, but please, do that on your own time. It's already bad enough how a lot of people take anything said on SOTG as gospel, to have people go around thinking terran is vastly superior to the other races is just bad for everybody. It's not like the whining is baseless...the past 2 gsl's alone should show you Terran dominance. In addition, it's not only the people on SotG, but many koreans that complain about Terran. Even fucking Bisu, who doesn't play sc2 knows that the general consensus is that Terran is the strongest at the moment. Telling them to "switch races" is even more silly. No one is going to waste all the time they've invested in their race hoping that Blizzard doesn't ever touch terran again. I don't think I remember one instance of a well known sc2 player switching from the underpowered race to the overpowered one in the history of the game.
Bisu parroting other Koreans.
Boxer.
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On every other twitch channel, you can find the previous episodes right there underneath the video feed.
Why is this one different? So irritating I can't find the VOD's!
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On October 19 2011 15:09 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 15:07 ketomai wrote:On October 19 2011 15:02 Quotidian wrote:On October 19 2011 14:47 Oreo7 wrote:On October 19 2011 14:44 Raiznhell wrote:
It's sad that there's all this Terran hate and it's simply not fair. The show should be made for the entire community not just for Protoss players to gather and QQ for half the show and then only have good quality discussion in the other half of the show. Full disclosure, I play toss. That said, I think they do a pretty good job filtering their comments considering what protoss has gone through in this past month or 2 months or so. Theirs a huuuge variety of 1/1/1 allins terran can throw, all of which are incredibly frustrating to deal with, and even if doesn't allin, the balance of lategame TvP is questionable, and all of this is evidenced by a lacking presence of protoss in Code S. They really could have gone farther than they did. Btw, Demuslim has admitted more than once that their are problems with terran balance, so I think the relief you're expecting to arrive with a terran host might never come. a lot of terran pros also admit to tvp being their most difficult match-up, so what a pro here and a pro there says makes zero difference. SOTG has become a toss whine-fest and it's really beyond the point of being cute or funny. It's just sad and pathetic at this point. If terran is so OP, just fucking switch races - they're in it for the wins/money after all. The fact that they're not switching proves that they're just whining and letting off steam and there's little truth to what they're whining about. Everybody whines, but please, do that on your own time. It's already bad enough how a lot of people take anything said on SOTG as gospel, to have people go around thinking terran is vastly superior to the other races is just bad for everybody. It's not like the whining is baseless...the past 2 gsl's alone should show you Terran dominance. In addition, it's not only the people on SotG, but many koreans that complain about Terran. Even fucking Bisu, who doesn't play sc2 knows that the general consensus is that Terran is the strongest at the moment. Telling them to "switch races" is even more silly. No one is going to waste all the time they've invested in their race hoping that Blizzard doesn't ever touch terran again. I don't think I remember one instance of a well known sc2 player switching from the underpowered race to the overpowered one in the history of the game. Bisu parroting other Koreans. Boxer.
The game = starcraft 2...and Boxer switched in sc1 before he was even close to a pro gamer.
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On October 19 2011 15:12 crazystupid0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 15:09 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
/v/ is good because they have so much fun and don't take themselves too seriously
obviously TL has a million resources and is the best in a million different ways. but for pure fun when an event is going on, f5'ing /v/ is da best. I love you Tyler. Will you please get Haypro to talk to us..?
lol i will try. i'll see him next at providence
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On October 19 2011 15:02 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 14:47 Oreo7 wrote:On October 19 2011 14:44 Raiznhell wrote:
It's sad that there's all this Terran hate and it's simply not fair. The show should be made for the entire community not just for Protoss players to gather and QQ for half the show and then only have good quality discussion in the other half of the show. Full disclosure, I play toss. That said, I think they do a pretty good job filtering their comments considering what protoss has gone through in this past month or 2 months or so. Theirs a huuuge variety of 1/1/1 allins terran can throw, all of which are incredibly frustrating to deal with, and even if doesn't allin, the balance of lategame TvP is questionable, and all of this is evidenced by a lacking presence of protoss in Code S. They really could have gone farther than they did. Btw, Demuslim has admitted more than once that their are problems with terran balance, so I think the relief you're expecting to arrive with a terran host might never come. a lot of terran pros also admit to tvp being their most difficult match-up, so what a pro here and a pro there says makes zero difference. SOTG has become a toss whine-fest and it's really beyond the point of being cute or funny. It's just sad and pathetic at this point. If terran is so OP, just fucking switch races - they're in it for the wins/money after all. The fact that they're not switching proves that they're just whining and letting off steam and there's little truth to what they're whining about. Everybody whines, but please, do that on your own time. It's already bad enough how a lot of people take anything said on SOTG as gospel, to have people go around thinking terran is vastly superior to the other races is just bad for everybody.
I wish I lived in your world, it seems just so simple. They do not switch races since they have already put so much time and effort into the race they play now that it would be pointless, they wouldn't be able to catch back up. Also, the terrans who say that TvP is their weakest probably don't use ghost late game or just can't get past the mid-game aggression. That isn't a point to say the game is balanced, that is just players not being capable in certain areas of the MU.
I am not supporting any claims protoss have to a complete imbalance though... The 1-1-1 is just hard to prepare for but is defensible. The ghost on the other hand is game breakingly good. Terran in general is just a more complete race though compared to the other two races.
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I registered just to say this. You're the best, hang in there. I live with long term depression myself. Shit sucks!
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Sweet :D going to rotterdam today and the trainride will be like 3 hours, now I have to make sure I have SotG to listen to on the way back!
AKA Torment until late in the afternoon :<
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On October 19 2011 15:02 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 14:47 Oreo7 wrote:On October 19 2011 14:44 Raiznhell wrote:
It's sad that there's all this Terran hate and it's simply not fair. The show should be made for the entire community not just for Protoss players to gather and QQ for half the show and then only have good quality discussion in the other half of the show. Full disclosure, I play toss. That said, I think they do a pretty good job filtering their comments considering what protoss has gone through in this past month or 2 months or so. Theirs a huuuge variety of 1/1/1 allins terran can throw, all of which are incredibly frustrating to deal with, and even if doesn't allin, the balance of lategame TvP is questionable, and all of this is evidenced by a lacking presence of protoss in Code S. They really could have gone farther than they did. Btw, Demuslim has admitted more than once that their are problems with terran balance, so I think the relief you're expecting to arrive with a terran host might never come. a lot of terran pros also admit to tvp being their most difficult match-up, so what a pro here and a pro there says makes zero difference. SOTG has become a toss whine-fest and it's really beyond the point of being cute or funny. It's just sad and pathetic at this point. If terran is so OP, just fucking switch races - they're in it for the wins/money after all. The fact that they're not switching proves that they're just whining and letting off steam and there's little truth to what they're whining about. Everybody whines, but please, do that on your own time. It's already bad enough how a lot of people take anything said on SOTG as gospel, to have people go around thinking terran is vastly superior to the other races is just bad for everybody.
that's a nice option...throw away 1 year of practice and go play terran or zerg!!!!! And I don't get how there can be little truth to what they say, when the facts are pretty much in everyone's faces (see gsl, for exemple, where terran 1/1/1 you and 1 protoss on 10 holds it, that of fakes a 1/1/1 and just proceeds to econ , so you see the protoss frantically trying to defend it then finds out he put himself behind when the push was never to come in the first place . Oh and gsl is also the place where there are more twice as many terrans as there are protoss and zerg combined). That, and the fact that they understand the game more than you do (considering they play it every days, 8 hours a day).
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On October 19 2011 15:07 ketomai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 15:02 Quotidian wrote:On October 19 2011 14:47 Oreo7 wrote:On October 19 2011 14:44 Raiznhell wrote:
It's sad that there's all this Terran hate and it's simply not fair. The show should be made for the entire community not just for Protoss players to gather and QQ for half the show and then only have good quality discussion in the other half of the show. Full disclosure, I play toss. That said, I think they do a pretty good job filtering their comments considering what protoss has gone through in this past month or 2 months or so. Theirs a huuuge variety of 1/1/1 allins terran can throw, all of which are incredibly frustrating to deal with, and even if doesn't allin, the balance of lategame TvP is questionable, and all of this is evidenced by a lacking presence of protoss in Code S. They really could have gone farther than they did. Btw, Demuslim has admitted more than once that their are problems with terran balance, so I think the relief you're expecting to arrive with a terran host might never come. a lot of terran pros also admit to tvp being their most difficult match-up, so what a pro here and a pro there says makes zero difference. SOTG has become a toss whine-fest and it's really beyond the point of being cute or funny. It's just sad and pathetic at this point. If terran is so OP, just fucking switch races - they're in it for the wins/money after all. The fact that they're not switching proves that they're just whining and letting off steam and there's little truth to what they're whining about. Everybody whines, but please, do that on your own time. It's already bad enough how a lot of people take anything said on SOTG as gospel, to have people go around thinking terran is vastly superior to the other races is just bad for everybody. It's not like the whining is baseless...the past 2 gsl's alone should show you Terran dominance. In addition, it's not only the people on SotG, but many koreans that complain about Terran. Even fucking Bisu, who doesn't play sc2 knows that the general consensus is that Terran is the strongest at the moment. Telling them to "switch races" is even more silly. No one is going to waste all the time they've invested in their race hoping that Blizzard doesn't ever touch terran again. I don't think I remember one instance of a well known sc2 player switching from the underpowered race to the overpowered one in the history of the game.
the problems with using GSL (Code S) as a metric for anything is that the structure of that tournament is deeply flawed. There are a lot of protoss players inbetween code A and S, but it's hard to get into/drop out of Code S because of how the up and down matches work. The problems with the GSL aren't indicative of the problems of the game as a whole, because clearly protoss players can win tournaments.
And no, it's perfectly fair to tell a pro to switch races. It's their job to win games - do whatever it takes. It's not like the differences between playing terran or protoss is that big anyway. And any toss that switches will have a really deep understanding of tvp.
On October 19 2011 15:25 ForeverSleep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 15:02 Quotidian wrote:On October 19 2011 14:47 Oreo7 wrote:On October 19 2011 14:44 Raiznhell wrote:
It's sad that there's all this Terran hate and it's simply not fair. The show should be made for the entire community not just for Protoss players to gather and QQ for half the show and then only have good quality discussion in the other half of the show. Full disclosure, I play toss. That said, I think they do a pretty good job filtering their comments considering what protoss has gone through in this past month or 2 months or so. Theirs a huuuge variety of 1/1/1 allins terran can throw, all of which are incredibly frustrating to deal with, and even if doesn't allin, the balance of lategame TvP is questionable, and all of this is evidenced by a lacking presence of protoss in Code S. They really could have gone farther than they did. Btw, Demuslim has admitted more than once that their are problems with terran balance, so I think the relief you're expecting to arrive with a terran host might never come. a lot of terran pros also admit to tvp being their most difficult match-up, so what a pro here and a pro there says makes zero difference. SOTG has become a toss whine-fest and it's really beyond the point of being cute or funny. It's just sad and pathetic at this point. If terran is so OP, just fucking switch races - they're in it for the wins/money after all. The fact that they're not switching proves that they're just whining and letting off steam and there's little truth to what they're whining about. Everybody whines, but please, do that on your own time. It's already bad enough how a lot of people take anything said on SOTG as gospel, to have people go around thinking terran is vastly superior to the other races is just bad for everybody. that's a nice option...throw away 1 year of practice and go play terran or zerg!!!!! And I don't get how there can be little truth to what they say, when the facts are pretty much in everyone's faces (see gsl, for exemple, where terran 1/1/1 you and 1 protoss on 10 holds it, that of fakes a 1/1/1 and just proceeds to econ , so you see the protoss frantically trying to defend it then finds out he put himself behind when the push was never to come in the first place . Oh and gsl is also the place where there are more twice as many terrans as there are protoss and zerg combined). That, and the fact that they understand the game more than you do (considering they play it every days, 8 hours a day).
You seem to be forgetting that one of the reasons there are so few protoss players in code S is because protoss is struggling (more) in pvz than pvt
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Do not spam links to subreddits please. your post will be deleted.
no fun allowed
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On October 19 2011 15:27 Kennigit wrote:
Do not spam links to subreddits please. your post will be deleted.
no fun allowed
Since 2000.
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On October 19 2011 15:05 TigerKarl wrote:????? You really believe that?
If you're gunna quote me buddy....actually quote me....
I basically said don't bring a terran on that "isn't top class like Painuser." meaning that i don't think painuser is close to top class because he just doesn't come up with reasonable counter arguments for Terran and also argues about pointless things like dts vs banshees.
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On October 19 2011 15:27 Kennigit wrote:
Do not spam links to subreddits please. your post will be deleted.
no fun allowed
ok ill be more careful
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On October 19 2011 15:26 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 15:07 ketomai wrote:On October 19 2011 15:02 Quotidian wrote:On October 19 2011 14:47 Oreo7 wrote:On October 19 2011 14:44 Raiznhell wrote:
It's sad that there's all this Terran hate and it's simply not fair. The show should be made for the entire community not just for Protoss players to gather and QQ for half the show and then only have good quality discussion in the other half of the show. Full disclosure, I play toss. That said, I think they do a pretty good job filtering their comments considering what protoss has gone through in this past month or 2 months or so. Theirs a huuuge variety of 1/1/1 allins terran can throw, all of which are incredibly frustrating to deal with, and even if doesn't allin, the balance of lategame TvP is questionable, and all of this is evidenced by a lacking presence of protoss in Code S. They really could have gone farther than they did. Btw, Demuslim has admitted more than once that their are problems with terran balance, so I think the relief you're expecting to arrive with a terran host might never come. a lot of terran pros also admit to tvp being their most difficult match-up, so what a pro here and a pro there says makes zero difference. SOTG has become a toss whine-fest and it's really beyond the point of being cute or funny. It's just sad and pathetic at this point. If terran is so OP, just fucking switch races - they're in it for the wins/money after all. The fact that they're not switching proves that they're just whining and letting off steam and there's little truth to what they're whining about. Everybody whines, but please, do that on your own time. It's already bad enough how a lot of people take anything said on SOTG as gospel, to have people go around thinking terran is vastly superior to the other races is just bad for everybody. It's not like the whining is baseless...the past 2 gsl's alone should show you Terran dominance. In addition, it's not only the people on SotG, but many koreans that complain about Terran. Even fucking Bisu, who doesn't play sc2 knows that the general consensus is that Terran is the strongest at the moment. Telling them to "switch races" is even more silly. No one is going to waste all the time they've invested in their race hoping that Blizzard doesn't ever touch terran again. I don't think I remember one instance of a well known sc2 player switching from the underpowered race to the overpowered one in the history of the game. the problems with using GSL (Code S) as a metric for anything is that the structure of that tournament is deeply flawed. There are a lot of protoss players inbetween code A and S, but it's hard to get into/drop out of Code S because of how the up and down matches work. The problems with the GSL aren't indicative of the problems of the game as a whole, because clearly protoss players can win tournaments. And no, it's perfectly fair to tell a pro to switch races. It's their job to win games - do whatever it takes. It's not like the differences between playing terran or protoss is that big anyway. And any toss that switches will have a really deep understanding of tvp. Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 15:25 ForeverSleep wrote:On October 19 2011 15:02 Quotidian wrote:On October 19 2011 14:47 Oreo7 wrote:On October 19 2011 14:44 Raiznhell wrote:
It's sad that there's all this Terran hate and it's simply not fair. The show should be made for the entire community not just for Protoss players to gather and QQ for half the show and then only have good quality discussion in the other half of the show. Full disclosure, I play toss. That said, I think they do a pretty good job filtering their comments considering what protoss has gone through in this past month or 2 months or so. Theirs a huuuge variety of 1/1/1 allins terran can throw, all of which are incredibly frustrating to deal with, and even if doesn't allin, the balance of lategame TvP is questionable, and all of this is evidenced by a lacking presence of protoss in Code S. They really could have gone farther than they did. Btw, Demuslim has admitted more than once that their are problems with terran balance, so I think the relief you're expecting to arrive with a terran host might never come. a lot of terran pros also admit to tvp being their most difficult match-up, so what a pro here and a pro there says makes zero difference. SOTG has become a toss whine-fest and it's really beyond the point of being cute or funny. It's just sad and pathetic at this point. If terran is so OP, just fucking switch races - they're in it for the wins/money after all. The fact that they're not switching proves that they're just whining and letting off steam and there's little truth to what they're whining about. Everybody whines, but please, do that on your own time. It's already bad enough how a lot of people take anything said on SOTG as gospel, to have people go around thinking terran is vastly superior to the other races is just bad for everybody. that's a nice option...throw away 1 year of practice and go play terran or zerg!!!!! And I don't get how there can be little truth to what they say, when the facts are pretty much in everyone's faces (see gsl, for exemple, where terran 1/1/1 you and 1 protoss on 10 holds it, that of fakes a 1/1/1 and just proceeds to econ , so you see the protoss frantically trying to defend it then finds out he put himself behind when the push was never to come in the first place . Oh and gsl is also the place where there are more twice as many terrans as there are protoss and zerg combined). That, and the fact that they understand the game more than you do (considering they play it every days, 8 hours a day). You seem to be forgetting that one of the reasons there are so few protoss players in code S is because protoss is struggling (more) in pvz than pvt
I actually assume that pvz troubles are due to metagame shift right now. It's has not been that long since pvz became heavily zerg favored. pvt troubles have been going on for ever now... its been what? 2 months now? 3 months? You can't be seriously telling me that it's normal that the games still look exactly the same as they were 3 months ago, that absolutely noone found anything at all... If you talk to me balance at my level, I would tell you that I never lost a match to "imbalance" because, well, I make a shitton of mistakes when I play. But, as a spectator point of view, watching the same games unfold games after games after games does make you wonder, at some point...
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