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Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
October 19 2010 21:51 GMT
#2261
On October 20 2010 06:45 ironside wrote:
I find it bizarre how Tyler and Incontrol are so fixated on Selects "one dimensional build".
They really overestimate the inherent value of builds. Select's TvP was so successful because:
-his ridiculous micro/unit control
-timings
-out macroing all his protoss opponents
-insane multitasking
-general game sense

His mmm build had little to do with it. I find the lack of insight into the game from these so called pros pretty surprising.


Even with great micro, timings, macro, multitasking, and game sense... you will lose if you do the same thing every damn game
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
October 19 2010 21:55 GMT
#2262
On October 20 2010 05:55 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
yeah we are doing a cast tonight. We'd do it sooner but I am trying to figure out what group of people I want to piss off.

people who came to watch mlg in person
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
Burn2Memory
Profile Joined August 2010
United States574 Posts
October 19 2010 22:01 GMT
#2263
On October 20 2010 06:51 Fa1nT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 06:45 ironside wrote:
I find it bizarre how Tyler and Incontrol are so fixated on Selects "one dimensional build".
They really overestimate the inherent value of builds. Select's TvP was so successful because:
-his ridiculous micro/unit control
-timings
-out macroing all his protoss opponents
-insane multitasking
-general game sense

His mmm build had little to do with it. I find the lack of insight into the game from these so called pros pretty surprising.


Even with great micro, timings, macro, multitasking, and game sense... you will lose if you do the same thing every damn game

Apparently not?
ApBuLLet
Profile Joined September 2010
United States604 Posts
October 19 2010 22:01 GMT
#2264
On October 20 2010 06:45 ironside wrote:
I find it bizarre how Tyler and Incontrol are so fixated on Selects "one dimensional build".
They really overestimate the inherent value of builds. Select's TvP was so successful because:
-his ridiculous micro/unit control
-timings
-out macroing all his protoss opponents
-insane multitasking
-general game sense

His mmm build had little to do with it. I find the lack of insight into the game from these so called pros pretty surprising.


What about your own lack of insight? Is that surprising to you? Sadly it is not surprising to me.

Look at your list of reasons why SeleCT is so amazing. They are all ridiculously broad and mean pretty much nothing relative to how good all progamers are (including Tyler and iNcontroL). They all have good micro, they all know "timings" ... or whatever you are referring to with that... they all have good macro, they all have insane multitasking, and last but not least, they all have good game sense. Talk about insight.

Sorry for the rudeness, I'm generally pretty polite when it comes to this stuff but criticizing professionals when this is the best argument you can come up with is absolutely ignorant.
Kishkumen
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States650 Posts
October 19 2010 22:02 GMT
#2265
On October 20 2010 06:11 Seam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 05:55 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
yeah we are doing a cast tonight. We'd do it sooner but I am trying to figure out what group of people I want to piss off.



Ooo, piss me off, piss me off!!!

Do it!! Please!! D:!!!

No, piss me off instead! I deserve it! I want to clutter this thread for pages and pages with my inane arguments about how you're unfit to have opinions about anything. I feel so left out!
Weird, last time I checked the UN said you need to have at least 200 APM and be rainbow league to be called human. —Liquid`TLO
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
October 19 2010 22:09 GMT
#2266
On October 20 2010 06:45 ironside wrote:
I find it bizarre how Tyler and Incontrol are so fixated on Selects "one dimensional build".
They really overestimate the inherent value of builds. Select's TvP was so successful because:
-his ridiculous micro/unit control
-timings
-out macroing all his protoss opponents
-insane multitasking
-general game sense

His mmm build had little to do with it. I find the lack of insight into the game from these so called pros pretty surprising.

If you feel you have something valuable to say, submit a question and it may appear on the show. Attaching personal insults after you've made your point isn't a good strategy. But for you ironside, save yourself the trouble on this one because you don't have anything valuable to say =]
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Santi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Colombia466 Posts
October 19 2010 22:20 GMT
#2267
I have a question, or a discussion. Do you guys think sc2 pro level in Korea is already getting better than western pro level? For example, This time only TLO and Idra made it to round64, TLO gets eliminated. Idra flies to MLG and wins but will he get eliminated this week from gsl or he will advance?
numberThirtyOne
Profile Joined March 2008
United States294 Posts
October 19 2010 22:21 GMT
#2268
My money's on the silent treatment for this next cast. Inc will be super polite and not say anything rude or funny and nerds will flood this thread with panicked posts about how all the haters just ruined SotG.
voIDRAys are the most bm unit in SC2
RaFeStaR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States161 Posts
October 19 2010 22:25 GMT
#2269
On October 20 2010 07:09 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 06:45 ironside wrote:
I find it bizarre how Tyler and Incontrol are so fixated on Selects "one dimensional build".
They really overestimate the inherent value of builds. Select's TvP was so successful because:
-his ridiculous micro/unit control
-timings
-out macroing all his protoss opponents
-insane multitasking
-general game sense

His mmm build had little to do with it. I find the lack of insight into the game from these so called pros pretty surprising.

If you feel you have something valuable to say, submit a question and it may appear on the show. Attaching personal insults after you've made your point isn't a good strategy. But for you ironside, save yourself the trouble on this one because you don't have anything valuable to say =]



You do realize that they're only arguing with you simply because you're you. It really has nothing to do with your opinion because anyone with a brain can understand what you two were trying to get across.


None of us have the insight to even be questioning nony/inc much less arguing for 30 pages. Stop being ignorant and let it go; you are wrong.


ILY MR INCONTROL<3
NeverNight
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada33 Posts
October 19 2010 22:38 GMT
#2270
On another note...

Cockhorse.

That is all.
-_- Low FPS again...
Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
October 19 2010 22:41 GMT
#2271
Honestly, keep doing what you're doing guys. You can't imagine how much I look forward to these each week.
-
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
October 19 2010 22:42 GMT
#2272
On October 20 2010 07:38 NeverNight wrote:
On another note...

Cockhorse.

That is all.

Yes please. This guy's questions should always be answered.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
Hatorade
Profile Joined July 2010
299 Posts
October 19 2010 22:44 GMT
#2273
Ive got a question for Incontrol,sorry if its been asked before. Axslav's been doing pretty well every time I've seen him play online in tournaments and clan matches, how come he hasnt been attending MLG? Will we see him in Dallas?
debasers
Profile Joined August 2010
737 Posts
October 19 2010 22:53 GMT
#2274
Just one thing, I even agree with Tyler and Incontrol, but I really think that this discussions is bullshit, please dont talk much about it D:
Burn2Memory
Profile Joined August 2010
United States574 Posts
October 19 2010 22:57 GMT
#2275
On October 20 2010 07:44 Hatorade wrote:
Ive got a question for Incontrol,sorry if its been asked before. Axslav's been doing pretty well every time I've seen him play online in tournaments and clan matches, how come he hasnt been attending MLG? Will we see him in Dallas?

I'd like to know as well. I really enjoyed his games against root.
fush
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada563 Posts
October 19 2010 22:58 GMT
#2276
I think they take questions by email now... sotgquestions@gmail.com
syrupychinadian
Profile Joined September 2010
112 Posts
October 19 2010 23:00 GMT
#2277
I agree with those that are tired of all this Select talk. Dude did well with one general strategy. Idra's play was very similar. Just stop arguing and the argument should die out eventually.

I really hope SotG won't perpetuate this on the podcast by giving it much notice. It's been mentioned on the past 2-3 podcasts and I think it's enough.

Let's all move on to the next topic. Our love (or hate) of blizzcon!
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
October 19 2010 23:05 GMT
#2278
Sheesh.

I think people must of have just downloaded the Saturday and Sunday casts.

Tyler's been nothing but fair when clarifying his opinion on Select's play in this forum. And neither InControl or Tyler necessarily 'bashed' Select in the podcasts. A more accurate statement would be that they were unimpressed with his lack of diversity in his play, despite winning second.

People really should let go of this now.
Cadgers
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States514 Posts
October 19 2010 23:08 GMT
#2279
Shouldn't we be talking about all the Protoss players at MLG that couldn't adapt to the "one-dimensional" MMM play of SeleCT?
shaunnn
Profile Joined October 2010
Ireland1230 Posts
October 19 2010 23:10 GMT
#2280
I have a question how come no one was good enough to beat the 2 people who did the same thing every game, knowing what they are going to do every game?
The naniwa - Unit of protoss skill, defined as the number of gates you build off of one base
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