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Snausages
United States529 Posts
Bans are license specific unless it's from bad accesses to a Battle.net account. We can lock down a Battle.net account when it happens but if you do something goofy in a game (like Backstabbing, poor Mugaro), we can apply temporary or permanent bans on just the game itself depending on severity. Details aren't fully available at this time. So apparently, if you backstab in a game, your account gets banned. Not saying that I'm a BSer myself, | ||
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zyzski
United States698 Posts
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Ethic
Canada439 Posts
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
at first i thought backstabbing in terms of like countering an opponents base | ||
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btlyger
United States470 Posts
As far as I know at least. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On July 28 2010 12:37 ramen247 wrote: LOLWTF>? at first i thought backstabbing in terms of like countering an opponents base yep, keep those speedlings in your base you BM player | ||
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Raysalis
Malaysia1034 Posts
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LaSt)ChAnCe
United States2179 Posts
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Lane
United States46 Posts
On July 28 2010 12:38 btlyger wrote: You can't even backstab anymore because you can't de-alliance people on your team. As far as I know at least. You can attack and kill ally base | ||
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`Aceku
Canada24 Posts
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paper
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
On July 28 2010 12:38 btlyger wrote: You can't even backstab anymore because you can't de-alliance people on your team. As far as I know at least. You can either attack the units/buildings manually, or just not help your teammate. You could also destroy your entire base/units (or just not do anything to begin with) and then leave, thus not granting him tech/units/econ. Still, I loved the ability to change up allegiances in bw, especially in custom 3v3s/4v4s for shits and giggles. You could never let your guard down when teaming up with strangers. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
Why allow players to attack allies if they can get banned for it.. "Here is 100million $, If you spend any of it im going to kill you" | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
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Tray
United States122 Posts
And yes it requires attack click. | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
On July 28 2010 12:55 NuKedUFirst wrote: This is just silly.. I mean c'mon... Why allow players to attack allies if they can get banned for it.. "Here is 100million $, If you spend any of it im going to kill you" If you couldn't attack allies there would be a whole new dimension of backstabbing i.e. manner building your teammates entire base or spread creep so they can't build anywhere etc. | ||
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Tray
United States122 Posts
On July 28 2010 12:56 Wr3k wrote: I kinda doubt they will punish much of these without some sort of proof (i.e. repeated offenses w/ replays). I've killed teammates shit in 2v2 who build stuff/creep in the way of my own buildings. Hell I've even killed teammates who were trying to backstab me. I can't see myself getting banned for any of that so I'm sure they draw the line at repeated offenses where you eliminate your ally. Nope. They have all the evidence they need. They can look up the logs of the game very, very easily. First time is a ban, I promise. I had it happen to people in beta twice that I reported. | ||
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
Sorry, i know this is a vast exageration, but c'mon... I've been backstabbed 500 times and i think this is like shooting yourself in the face with a nailgun. | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
On July 28 2010 12:59 Tray wrote: Yes it's bannable. I got two people banned in beta for doing it. Bad players sometimes get really raged and think that if they kill their teamate and ragequit it'll get back at them somehow. But then they get reported for it and banned. It's a no brainer. Don't backstab your teamates, no matter what. And yes it requires attack click. How could you possibly know if they were actually banned? | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
On July 28 2010 12:55 NuKedUFirst wrote: This is just silly.. I mean c'mon... Why allow players to attack allies if they can get banned for it.. "Here is 100million $, If you spend any of it im going to kill you" Terribad noob with fail-walling skills might require some friendly fire to help out. Charging a voidray or getting interceptor's on a teammate's building is probably better than not attacking anything and losing the battle. | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
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btlyger
United States470 Posts
The good old days will never be relived... | ||
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Tray
United States122 Posts
On July 28 2010 13:00 Wr3k wrote: How could you possibly know if they were actually banned? Because the day after I banned them they never logged in again for weeks? I added them as a friend to see if they would login again and it tells you the last time they logged in. Pretty simple. Also backstabbing is subjective. Killing a guy's building strategically is rare, but likely your teamate won't report you. It's pretty easy to tell who's doing it to ruin the game. Also this is nothing like not 'gg'ing. You don't have a right to ruin the game for your random teamate, sorry. Backstabbing is not a style of play. | ||
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Voyager I
United States260 Posts
Oh well. If you really need to fuck with people, there's always FFA and custom games. | ||
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nihoh
Australia978 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
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Dr.Smoke
United States64 Posts
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
I do want there to still be melee games that start as FFA, but you can choose to make or break alliances. that was cool in BW, but that game mode was specifically set up for it. Even the enemy computers could ally against you in a melee match, but no one started on teams. That was fun. But Backstabbing is just pointless. You already have vision, putting a bunch of units in his base and then randomly attacking him isn't fun or challenging in the least. If I use these cheat codes, I can totally beat you! haha, you suck, because I cheated and am therefore somehow better than you . . . . . . | ||
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Dinn
United States66 Posts
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Ndugu
United States1078 Posts
Usually the people who earn it deserve it enough that I wouldn't mind a temp-ban for it. Some douche in a 3v3 telling me i'm a n00b for going mass carrier instead of Void Rays. Tell that to me +3 weapons upgrade. | ||
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peachsncream
United States289 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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febreze
167 Posts
If this thread becomes popular, I'm expecting much more backstabbing in the weeks to come just to prove a point. | ||
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Thoreezhea1
United States532 Posts
is that possible?? if you can't and attack manually, does that still count?? how does bnet find out? what if your team mate asked you to blow up some of his units in order to un supply block him?(eg he massed banshees and can't attack himself?) Blizzard, i know you are watching and listening, please fix this. so few people rage and do this it is sorta an unnecessary rule, and i would hate to be banned from bnet should i be asked to do it by my teamate, in fact when i saw this topic, i thought it was a troll topic, then realized it would be nuked should it be a troll topic. and while you are at it, don't fix the evil spinning factory rax starport patrol thingy in tlownage, i would be heart broken. if anything, by outlawing this (imo) is the worst possible thing to do, you bring attention to the topic and many players will be trying this to test the system. i played a crapload of games in the entire beta (about 1000) and i only got raged in this way, guess, ONCE. i learned my lesson, and looked at tl and got better. Please, please, fix this, this is my complaint and argument | ||
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Voyager I
United States260 Posts
Knocking down one Pylon because he got overzealous with a wall-in will not get you banned. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On July 28 2010 13:41 Thoreezhea wrote: what if your team mate asked you to blow up some of his units in order to un supply block him?(eg he massed banshees and can't attack himself?) Who the hell would waste the resources on banshees and ask their partner to kill them? nobody, that's who. If you wanted to suicide your units, you'd attack the opponent, that way you would get some damage done with it. | ||
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Daniri
387 Posts
On July 28 2010 12:47 `Aceku wrote: Its because, In World of warcraft Arena, People win trade to stack there rank. In 2v2 if you random a partner the other team could try to convince the other player to BStab, Thrust making the non BStabing team more Rating thrust higher rank. Not much since most people dont care about 2v2,3v3,4v4,9000v9000 over 1v1. No(not even remotely close actually, and you can't random to get rating in arenas), it's because of Starcraft and especially Warcraft 3 where backstabbing is a hobby and a sport. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
i suppose u guys didn't read the EULA? what made u think u had "rights"? | ||
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Trowabarton756
United States870 Posts
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Gedrah
465 Posts
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fyyer
United States145 Posts
On July 28 2010 16:07 Trowabarton756 wrote: lol this is bull shit. there is no reason to ban someone for this, its a fucking video game, even someone like me who thinks his win record needs to be at least 70% wouldn't give two shits if I lost a few games to backstabb. 9/10 you can tell when they are gonna do it anyways. plus you're ruining a starcraft tradition. Gotta love the ole 7v1 comp no bs, that devolves into a giant game of bs where teams are made and ended in a heart beat. ITS TRADITION AND YOU DON'T FUCK WITH TRADITION! I lol'd, those games were funny. :D | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On July 28 2010 16:07 Trowabarton756 wrote: lol this is bull shit. there is no reason to ban someone for this, its a fucking video game, even someone like me who thinks his win record needs to be at least 70% wouldn't give two shits if I lost a few games to backstabb. 9/10 you can tell when they are gonna do it anyways. plus you're ruining a starcraft tradition. Gotta love the ole 7v1 comp no bs, that devolves into a giant game of bs where teams are made and ended in a heart beat. ITS TRADITION AND YOU DON'T FUCK WITH TRADITION! Yeah, 7v1 comp stomps were awesome for that reason alone. | ||
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Gedrah
465 Posts
On July 28 2010 13:04 Tray wrote: Because the day after I banned them they never logged in again for weeks? I added them as a friend to see if they would login again and it tells you the last time they logged in. Pretty simple. Also backstabbing is subjective. Killing a guy's building strategically is rare, but likely your teamate won't report you. It's pretty easy to tell who's doing it to ruin the game. Also this is nothing like not 'gg'ing. You don't have a right to ruin the game for your random teamate, sorry. Backstabbing is not a style of play. I don't mean to sound confrontational or aggressive, but I probably will. I apologize. I don't believe you got people banned. It's very easy to say you did such a thing and to name your method for determining your success, but I don't believe many people got banned from beta for any reason. I played throughout beta with the name FIREDlCK in all caps (one of the Is was a lowercase L so it passed the swear filter) and dragged out games, used obnoxious builds, asked subtly grating questions of my opponents at frustrating moments in the game (for them), cursed, made dick and fart jokes (and perhaps worse), and probably overall caused a lot of butt-hurt. Over a dozen people claimed to have reported me, often amidst further cursing and overt signs that they had become very angry with me. I didn't get banned as a result of any of their actions. Maybe they thought I did get banned, because I suddenly decided to play Dungeon Siege 2 for a week and didn't log on beta. But I was never banned. Am I lucky, or did they not actually ban many people from beta regardless of what they did? I only say "many" instead of "any" because I do know one guy that was actually banned from beta, but god only knows what he did or said to people to earn it. He's the type to drop N-bombs when getting rushed and worse. | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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nitdkim
1264 Posts
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ExoCorsair
United States48 Posts
On July 28 2010 16:24 nitdkim wrote: just have option of "lock alliances" That's a good idea. Where'd you get that one from? | ||
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Gedrah
465 Posts
On July 28 2010 16:22 Klogon wrote: They just want some legitimacy to their ladder. If TL.net was running a 2v2 ladder and you were going off and backstabbing partners, I would ban you too You'd be 100% correct to do it. Again, it's just the fear of false positives that gives me pause here. I get really amped up and sometimes I shoot a bitch. I remember the only 2v2 random game I played I mistakenly target fired a marauder of my teammate and he may as well have left the game at that point, because he utterly stopped trying and completely focused on that event and spent in excess of a minute bitching about it. That could have been 40+ actions even if he was a mediocre player (he was better than I am, up until that happened). (I almost always a-click instead of right-click...It can happen) | ||
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Manbear
Canada306 Posts
On July 28 2010 16:01 dybydx wrote: :p i suppose u guys didn't read the EULA? what made u think u had "rights"? This made me laugh really hard as when I read it I pictured I guy from blizzard with a monocle and a suit. | ||
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fyyer
United States145 Posts
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phlamez
United States96 Posts
On July 28 2010 16:42 fyyer wrote: I just wonder how they're going to enforce it. I was playing in a 4v4 and my allies and I were going to all group up on the north side, but one ally at that closest point was terran and wouldn't lower his depots to let me out, so after about 15 seconds of trying to tell him to lower them I destroyed one to get out. Whoever makes the decision what is backstabbing and what isn't better be on his A-game if peoples access is going to be removed. The whole idea sounds bad though if its up to a humans decision. You don't need to be on your A-game to recognize what is backstabbing and what isn't, any one of us posting in this thread could easily do the job. It's obviously not backstabbing if you misclick, or if you are destroying a building to prevent being walled in, you obviously are backstabbing if you go and kill your allies base. I'm fairly sure with bans that they will defer to abuse that is beyond a reasonable doubt that the intent is malicious. Also a humans decision on questions like this are much better than any alternative, do you think a computer is able to distinguish between strategic or accidental killing of an allied unit vs a malicious killing out of spite? Blizz employers are oft incompetent but they aren't mentally handicapped, everyone is freaking out over nothing. | ||
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fyyer
United States145 Posts
On July 28 2010 16:52 phlamez wrote: You don't need to be on your A-game to recognize what is backstabbing and what isn't, any one of us posting in this thread could easily do the job. It's obviously not backstabbing if you misclick, or if you are destroying a building to prevent being walled in, you obviously are backstabbing if you go and kill your allies base. I'm fairly sure with bans that they will defer to abuse that is beyond a reasonable doubt that the intent is malicious. Also a humans decision on questions like this are much better than any alternative, do you think a computer is able to distinguish between strategic or accidental killing of an allied unit vs a malicious killing out of spite? Blizz employers are oft incompetent but they aren't mentally handicapped, everyone is freaking out over nothing. I can see it getting dirty though. 2 guys get into an arguement and one starts destroying the others base, then the other starts destroying his base. Do you ban both of them? Just the guy that started it? What about the newbie who thinks he's helping his allies out by building in their base while not helping himself and you destroy his shit and tell him to just play normally in his own base? Or the Zerg player who passively backstabs by building a bunch of hatcheries everywhere so you have no room to build (this actually happened to me a few times in beta). Or an arguement over expansions, and one guy turns to destroys his allies expansion because his worker got there first, but didn't have the minerals. It's not the best examples but you get the point. Yes obviously if you're in a 4v4 and one guy sits quiet and immediately turns on his 3 allies with 20 BC's it's pretty obvious what you do. I think there's more potential problems than it fixes. | ||
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TheCookie
United Arab Emirates34 Posts
/Problem Solved Edit: Or even specifically select which teammates you allow to attack your own units, for 3v3 and 4v4 matches. | ||
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Gedrah
465 Posts
Thecookie, since half the reason to attack your teammate's stuff is when he refuses to lower a depot or builds in your base, requiring his permission to attack his stuff defeats the entire purpose. | ||
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Meff
Italy287 Posts
Does anybody know if a ban removes somebody's ability to play single-player, by the way? Or custom with their friends? If so, another reason to dislike Battle-Net 2.0. | ||
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SC2Phoenix
Canada2814 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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fyyer
United States145 Posts
On July 28 2010 17:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I like this rule. A lot of you guys are just being nostalgic for the sake of being nostalgic. Objectively if Blizzard is capable of avoiding it, backstabbing should have no place on battle.net. I'd love it if people who OBVIOUSLY backstabbed were banned. Like the kids in WC3 who build a bunch of peasents, turned them into militia and town portaled to an ally to attack his base. Or the Starcraft backstabber who in a 3v3 noticed that just before they killed the opposing team he's much stronger than his allies and decides for the fun of it to unally and kill them too. But other than that there's potential problems. Player 1: "I'm taking this expansion." Player 2: "No you're not, I was there first." Player 1: "You didn't build it in time so it's mine, sorry." Player 2: *destroys his allies expansion* "I was there first." *starts building expansion* Player 1 leaves the game and reports his ally for backstabbing. There's so many grey areas that unless Blizzard ignores them all and only bans the obvious backstabbers I think it will cause problems. Read my other examples I like the idea otherwise | ||
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bakedace
United States672 Posts
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chuninexam
Canada56 Posts
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roemy
Germany432 Posts
 how endangered am i..? | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
Edit: I'm pretty sure they review the replay. No need to speculate over ridiculous hypothetical situations. | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
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GreenFantastic
Canada78 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On July 28 2010 17:56 GreenFantastic wrote: Hopefully you'll only have to do something huge, like HEAVY USAGE of hacking for laddering, to me outright, completely and forever banned from battle.net without setting up a whole new account and buying the game again. I was one of those 10 year old who got banned for using hacks on WC3 in custom games for fun and name colouring, but now that you can't make new ids with the same key, hopefully they will be more lenient on the bans. I'm sure they'll only temp ban you, perma ban for repeat offenses or more serious offenses (blatant cheat, etc.). | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
When I was 12. I won't miss it. | ||
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ZCfos~DangerBoy
57 Posts
I once happened to backstab my ally who was, despite being with only one building left in the game, constantly badmouthing my playstyle. Since i didnt want to listen to someone insulting me without an end i killed of his remaining building. I think i did a noble act which should be honored with an achievement. Lets call it the "You too, Brutus" achievement. | ||
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AxeX1606
United States39 Posts
1 - alot of people don't take team games seriously. 2 - Those that do, do so in an arranged team, not random where BS'ing is most likely to happen. Basically all this does is make RT'ing a bit more hospitable (I hope) because nobody wants to get banned. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On July 28 2010 17:26 fyyer wrote: I'd love it if people who OBVIOUSLY backstabbed were banned. Like the kids in WC3 who build a bunch of peasents, turned them into militia and town portaled to an ally to attack his base. Or the Starcraft backstabber who in a 3v3 noticed that just before they killed the opposing team he's much stronger than his allies and decides for the fun of it to unally and kill them too. But other than that there's potential problems. Player 1: "I'm taking this expansion." Player 2: "No you're not, I was there first." Player 1: "You didn't build it in time so it's mine, sorry." Player 2: *destroys his allies expansion* "I was there first." *starts building expansion* Player 1 leaves the game and reports his ally for backstabbing. There's so many grey areas that unless Blizzard ignores them all and only bans the obvious backstabbers I think it will cause problems. Read my other examples I like the idea otherwise Temp ban them both.They sound like they need to cool off anyway.  You'd have to do something really serious to get perm ban like have a bunch of repeat offenses for backstabbing or doing a whole lot of win trading to the point it's very noticeable, though the lack of information you get off the sc2 website would still make an allegation like that it hard to prove unless you were an employee. | ||
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Serpico
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On July 28 2010 18:26 Serpico wrote: Players should police this, not blizzard. what the hell. How do players police this exactly? | ||
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Grend
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FuryX
Australia495 Posts
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
Used to happen to me alot in BW and pissed me off so much. | ||
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RA
Latvia791 Posts
On July 28 2010 12:35 zyzski wrote: Blizzard can do anything to your account without reason, I wouldn't worry about it much. A normal person would worry about it, because then you know what you can and what can't do. To make sure you don't step over the line unnecessary. What Blizzard can do with your account - that shouldn't be of concern, true. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
Stop acting like idiots and play the game like you are supposed to. | ||
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Kanil
United States1713 Posts
I'll tolerate this if Blizzard starts banning the terrible people I end up teamed with. | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On July 28 2010 18:26 Serpico wrote: Players should police this, not blizzard. what the hell. I don't quite understand how players can police this. | ||
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Capteone
United States197 Posts
On July 28 2010 12:35 Snausages wrote: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=26137536327&sid=3000 So apparently, if you backstab in a game, your account gets banned. Not saying that I'm a BSer myself, Why even allow people to backstab if it is bannable... Blizzard has their heads up their you know whats | ||
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AyJay
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
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angelicfolly
United States292 Posts
On July 28 2010 20:09 Capteone wrote: Why even allow people to backstab if it is bannable... Blizzard has their heads up their you know whats To make sure people cannot abuse exploits that may arise. Blizzard cannot be completely on top of every nook and cranny. It's more of a end all solution for now and future problems, or in a way to say they have taken care of it. | ||
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MiraMax
Germany532 Posts
On July 28 2010 20:09 Capteone wrote: Why even allow people to backstab if it is bannable... Blizzard has their heads up their you know whats Yeah, exactly! And just by continuing this logic: Why even allow people to name their own account if chosing offensive names is bannable ... why even allow people to post random insults whenever they want if it is bannable ... why even allow people to use maphacks by having an imperfect game engine if it is bannable ... oh no wait ... I suddenly realized I don't agree ... | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
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AJMcSpiffy
United States1154 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
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HeaveNTiMe
United States104 Posts
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Voyager I
United States260 Posts
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Vysen
United States79 Posts
Same reason you can target fire your own buildings. | ||
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rS.Sinatra
Canada785 Posts
to accomplish the same goal as backstabbing, just have your starting scv/probe/drone attack your own building until it dies aka suicide. | ||
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ironchef
Canada1350 Posts
In an official ladder where people are ranked and rated, Blizzard should enforce and regulate things things to keep the competitive environment clean. Imagine in double's tennis one partner blatantly throws the game in a tournament.. there will be consequences This is probably the case in most competitive environments, outside of WWE tagteam matches. | ||
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Win.win
United States230 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On July 28 2010 12:53 moopie wrote: You can either attack the units/buildings manually, or just not help your teammate. You could also destroy your entire base/units (or just not do anything to begin with) and then leave, thus not granting him tech/units/econ. Still, I loved the ability to change up allegiances in bw, especially in custom 3v3s/4v4s for shits and giggles. You could never let your guard down when teaming up with strangers. Stupid how not helping your teammate can get you banned... They need to just let this go, ban people for hacking and cheating. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On July 29 2010 00:57 Limenade wrote: woot i love the fact that blizz is taking this stance they absolutely should ban backstabbers, it ruins the game and if u r gonna ruin the game then u deserve to get banned ^.^ You...are joking right? I don't know how anybody can actually believe that backstabbing is a bannable offense. This is not WoW. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
its like ppl in dota that just drop out after the game starts. | ||
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AJMcSpiffy
United States1154 Posts
On July 29 2010 01:03 Jayme wrote: You...are joking right? I don't know how anybody can actually believe that backstabbing is a bannable offense. This is not WoW. This has been in place long before even WoW came along. Backstabbing in custom games isn't going to be a problem, but when you go into a ladder match, and you're supposed to work as a team, backstabbing to lower your ranking and disrupt your teammate should definitely score you a ban. Blizzard wants the ladder system to be genuine, and keeping out people that purposely lower their own score is a great way to do that. | ||
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ZomgTossRush
United States1041 Posts
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Win.win
United States230 Posts
On July 29 2010 01:19 zomgtossrush wrote: I also think they should add bans to players who stay in games for too long. As in floating CC's to the corner of maps. I've had that happen about 4 times already, and it's the most annoying thing in the world. yep, if they're banning for griefing, and this can definitely be a form of griefing, then if they want to be consistent, they have to ban for this as well. | ||
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Ichabod
United States1659 Posts
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HCastorp
United States388 Posts
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Win.win
United States230 Posts
On July 29 2010 01:26 Ichabod wrote: Uhoh, it begins with backstabbing, then cheesing, then fast expanding, I hope they don't continue the implementation of overbearing rules. (Do they IP ban, or can I use my guest passes for backstabbing? Hehe) mmm... cheesing and FEing are strats aimed toward winning. the only purpose backstabbing serves is to detract from the gameplay | ||
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EppE
United States221 Posts
On July 29 2010 01:24 Win.win wrote: yep, if they're banning for griefing, and this can definitely be a form of griefing, then if they want to be consistent, they have to ban for this as well. Then I want to ban zerg players who can creep my natural with OLS because if they're banning for griefing, and this can definitely be a form of griefing, then if they want to be consistent, they have to ban for this as well. | ||
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Arcalious
United States213 Posts
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hofodomo
United States257 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Xanrae
Belgium53 Posts
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Win.win
United States230 Posts
On July 29 2010 01:32 EppE wrote: Then I want to ban zerg players who can creep my natural with OLS because if they're banning for griefing, and this can definitely be a form of griefing, then if they want to be consistent, they have to ban for this as well. if the zerg player is your teammate, then yeah. otherwise you're mixing the traditional definition of griefing with sc2's definition of harassment. harassment in sc2 serves a purpose, to distract your opponent and to help you win the game; spitting creep on your opponent's base is an example of this. floating buildings to a corner of a map in order to prolong the game, with no chance of winning, is an example of griefing: abusing the game in a way the developers don't want you to by purposely detracting from gameplay | ||
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Win.win
United States230 Posts
On July 29 2010 01:41 Xanrae wrote: Why can you attack a teammate if you're not supposed to do it? one instance it would come in handy is if you walled in your ramp with gateways and your teammate needs to get through | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
I agree with Nazgul, and not only does backstabbing detract from the gameplay, but it messes up the ladder by screwing up ratings -> which means it messes up the AMM. If you're a bronze player, do you want to be matched up against a plat player who just happened to lose a lot because he had backstabber teammates? Of course not. Edit: or even worse, imagine if you did your placement matches and lost 2 because of backstabbers. That's like guaranteed silver placement -_- | ||
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Spaceninja
United States211 Posts
After the enemy moves out from his base to attack, send your force behind him to attack his enemy's lightly defended base. -Liquipedia I think someone has their definitions wrong. | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
On July 28 2010 12:55 NuKedUFirst wrote: This is just silly.. I mean c'mon... Why allow players to attack allies if they can get banned for it.. "Here is 100million $, If you spend any of it im going to kill you" LMAO best quote in the thread | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
Proof DavidKim Backstab | ||
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SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On July 29 2010 02:59 Grebliv wrote: Guess people will have to go for the creative backstabs now, the plain killing your allies has always been a bit bland. I think making ultralisks should count :p | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On July 29 2010 00:57 Limenade wrote: woot i love the fact that blizz is taking this stance they absolutely should ban backstabbers, it ruins the game and if u r gonna ruin the game then u deserve to get banned ^.^ idk what your on but backstabbing is pretty fun haha specially in bw... taking a break from ic and going to west to screw around with a couple friends.... play some fastest or bgh and if the game is boring/is an easy win you backstab to make it more interesting... its fun between friends at least... i generally ally up at the end anyway haha i understand stopping it for laddering reasons.. but its still fun to do when your not playing seriously also backstabbing if your teammate is an imbecile or an idiot should be allowed... even in laddering | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On July 28 2010 17:26 fyyer wrote: I'd love it if people who OBVIOUSLY backstabbed were banned. Like the kids in WC3 who build a bunch of peasents, turned them into militia and town portaled to an ally to attack his base. Or the Starcraft backstabber who in a 3v3 noticed that just before they killed the opposing team he's much stronger than his allies and decides for the fun of it to unally and kill them too. But other than that there's potential problems. Player 1: "I'm taking this expansion." Player 2: "No you're not, I was there first." Player 1: "You didn't build it in time so it's mine, sorry." Player 2: *destroys his allies expansion* "I was there first." *starts building expansion* Player 1 leaves the game and reports his ally for backstabbing. There's so many grey areas that unless Blizzard ignores them all and only bans the obvious backstabbers I think it will cause problems. Read my other examples I like the idea otherwise In your example it is clear that player 2 is backstabbing imo. Player 2 needs to just grow the fuck up and build at a new expo. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
Report button. | ||
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thOr6136
Slovenia1775 Posts
On July 28 2010 12:37 ramen247 wrote: LOLWTF>? at first i thought backstabbing in terms of like countering an opponents base lol hahaha, it was same for me, i was like WTF?! i guess ywe play too much dota ? (at least back in days) | ||
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Iranon
United States983 Posts
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hofodomo
United States257 Posts
On July 29 2010 02:59 Grebliv wrote: Guess people will have to go for the creative backstabs now, the plain killing your allies has always been a bit bland. "Guys, it wasn't me, it was the splash--I swear!" | ||
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Skeyser
Canada219 Posts
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SexyBimbo
Germany89 Posts
I did backstab a random guy and I don't wanna get a permanent ban for 1 single game that happened to be a random 4v4 I didnt give a shit about. Also I apologized to the guy because he claimed 4v4 was very serious business to him and it was his placement... Kinda funny, then again if he did really report me it is pretty ridiculous to get a permanent ban if one did it only 1 time. People who regularly do it deserve no better but I think everybody should get at least a 2nd chance to learn his lesson! >.< Obviously I dont wanna get banned SB | ||
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Santriell
Belgium151 Posts
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
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Ramsing
Canada233 Posts
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0mgVitaminE
United States1278 Posts
On July 28 2010 19:02 Monoxide wrote: I don't quite understand how players can police this. Shiny cars with lights that freak the shit out of you if they're close. | ||
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Gedrah
465 Posts
However, generally, I have a lot of contempt for anyone who thinks the solution to their problems is to cry to an overseeing entity and have the Blizzard cyber-police save them from their horrible tormentors. So many of you never left kindergarten. You want to resolve your problems by having your Blizzard Mommy to protect you. When you have a problem with another player, just tell on him, and mommy will protect you by giving them a time-out. Grow up and deal with it like an adult, realize it's just a game of Starcraft, and it can be very fun to deviate from the textbook black-and-white goal of "building units and economy to kill the opponent." Someone pissed you off? Block communication, keep a blacklist or a death note or whatever you do, don't stay in a custom game if such a one is present. Please, don't share or pursue your desire for a more police-oriented gaming experience. There's nothing fun about that idea. This is a video game and sometimes players would rather do silly, disruptive things, and if you're going to rage and let it ruin your day... maybe you ought to be doing something else. Don't forget that instead of getting angry, you can leave the situation with no consequences (we're not discussing the ladder here, remember!) Getting people banned for shenanigans like this outside the ladder is just heartless and dickless, so to speak. It's not justice, and if you crave the feeling you get from fucking someone's account over then you're sick. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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Evolve
Canada63 Posts
DONT PRESS THIS BUTTON, OR WE BAN U ;;; | ||
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
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Zironic
Sweden341 Posts
his is a video game and sometimes players would rather do silly, disruptive things, and if you're going to rage and let it ruin your day... Isn't that what custom games are for? Wtf? why have un-allying an option if its bannable? DONT PRESS THIS BUTTON, OR WE BAN U ;;; You can't unally in RT games to my knowledge. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
If Blizzard will take the time to ban "backstabbers", they'll have the time to ban real abusers like maphackers. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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Nixda
119 Posts
On July 28 2010 17:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I like this rule. A lot of you guys are just being nostalgic for the sake of being nostalgic. Objectively if Blizzard is capable of avoiding it, backstabbing should have no place on battle.net. With there being 1,000,000+ players on battle.net and nearly all of them playing more than a single match (lets say they do an average of about 100, just to have a number), you are literally looking at like a million replays to check for blizzard even if this only happens in 1 % of the matches. And you cant automize it either. I had a guy come to my new expansion in one of my recent matches, I had my CC at the usual place and was mining one gas already when that teammate came and built nexus + assimilator just to take the other gas there. I tried to inform him about this not being a good idea in the chat (ok, maybe I sounded a bit more impatient than that) and he started to yell at me and insult me and suggest I play the single player campaign. Needless to say, the AI wasnt pressing us and there was a free expansion available to him, he just didnt want that one. So yea, I killed his 2 buildings that annoyed me there. I dont think I deserve to be banned for that. And I think Blizzard has better things to do with their employees time than have them watch a million replays for backstabbing. | ||
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Danceofmasks
Australia1 Post
I think I'll just make my overlords crap all over the map so my ally can't build anything. | ||
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h4xh4xh4x
Canada90 Posts
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