EPTFootball (Soccer) Thread - Page 114
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Levangg
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Jockmcplop
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This match is huge for Spurs. They get massively lucky with a tight offside VAR call, then score, then get a player sent off and penalty against and now they're 3-1 down. Total collapse. No mental strength at all in the side. No fight for a relegation battle. I think they actually might just get relegated. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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sharkie
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gTank
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28875 Posts
On March 05 2026 16:36 MJG wrote: Would it be that much different to when Newcastle first went down? Very similar actually. Newcastle occasionally had a solid team, coupled with a world class goal scorer and they had the occasional season where they were title challengers or top 3-5 over a decade. Tottenham was more consistently in the top 5, but then Shearer was also injured more than Kane was. Then Shearer retires, and the third season after he's gone, they get relegated. This is the third no Kane season!  | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28875 Posts
On March 07 2026 05:32 gTank wrote: Wait, a nose?! You can score with the nose. 1 cm offside is offside (even if you changed the rules like 'there has to be space between the defender and attacker'), there'd still be 1 cm situations. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9958 Posts
On March 07 2026 08:24 Liquid`Drone wrote: You can score with the nose. 1 cm offside is offside (even if you changed the rules like 'there has to be space between the defender and attacker'), there'd still be 1 cm situations. These '1 cm' situations are way more subjective than your average call though. You are adding human judgements in there about things like which frame exactly do you use? The one where the foot makes contact with the ball, the one where the ball leaves the foot, or maybe you don't have a clear image of either and have to just guess because shockingly they don't use high speed cameras for VAR. So essentially at that point the VAR gets to choose whatever they feel whereas I would have the rule say that if its that close then you give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28875 Posts
Freeze the fragment of a second the ball is played and see if any part of the attacking player that he can score with is offside is about as hard and fast of a rule you can get. Sometimes it's hard to determine because it's really close, but you can't eliminate those situations. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9958 Posts
On March 07 2026 15:47 Liquid`Drone wrote: But if you say 'if it's that close give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker', you're not reducing close calls, you're just moving the line for where the close call is, and if anything, making it more arbitrary. If 1cm is too close to call, is 3cm?5cm? 10cm? 20cm? You'll just end up discussing whether that situation was actually too close to call or not instead. Freeze the fragment of a second the ball is played and see if any part of the attacking player that he can score with is offside is about as hard and fast of a rule you can get. Sometimes it's hard to determine because it's really close, but you can't eliminate those situations. I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying you DEFINE this situation: Sometimes it's hard to determine because it's really close, but you can't eliminate those situations. and instead of just making up an answer depending on how the VAR feels you give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker. For example, if a player is onside when the boot first makes contact with the ball, you go forward 2 frames and then as the ball leaves his foot the player is now offside, that is always treated as onside. There is no moving that back 1cm or 3cm or 5cm or anything because you are defining it based on where the ball and foot are specifically. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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sharkie
Austria18721 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18400 Posts
On March 07 2026 17:21 sharkie wrote: Arsene Wenger rule is going to be tested next year Sure, and we'll have discussions about whether an attacker's trailing foot is at the same level as the nose of the last defender or whether there's "daylight". Wenger's rule doesn't change anything with regards to ambiguity, it just moves the offside ruling to the back of the body instead of the front. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9958 Posts
On March 07 2026 16:46 Liquid`Drone wrote: So how many frames of offside must it be to be offside? This is an irrelevant question. Its not about the player who is offside, it is about determining when the pass to that player is considered 'made', and precisely when you stop the video based on whether the ball is in contact with the foot or just making contact with the foot or just leaving the foot. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16085 Posts
On March 07 2026 17:39 Acrofales wrote: Sure, and we'll have discussions about whether an attacker's trailing foot is at the same level as the nose of the last defender or whether there's "daylight". Wenger's rule doesn't change anything with regards to ambiguity, it just moves the offside ruling to the back of the body instead of the front. it makes a difference whether a goal gets cancelled because your toenail was 1 cm in offside or if it gets cancelled because your whole body is 1cm in offside. the latter clearly gives an advantage to the attacking player so it makes sense that it's not allowed. 1cm of a toenail doesn't really give an advantage. It's also more in line with previous handlings where offside was only called when the human eye could see it - usually when a large percentage or the whole body was in offside. There will also be less uncertainty for the fans because the whole body being offside is easier to recognize with the eye. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On March 07 2026 18:23 Charoisaur wrote: it makes a difference whether a goal gets cancelled because your toenail was 1 cm in offside or if it gets cancelled because your whole body is 1cm in offside. the latter clearly gives an advantage to the attacking player so it makes sense that it's not allowed. 1cm of a toenail doesn't really give an advantage. It's also more in line with previous handlings where offside was only called when the human eye could see it - usually when a large percentage or the whole body was in offside. There will also be less uncertainty for the fans because the whole body being offside is easier to recognize with the eye. Ok, but the discussions about cms will still happen. Also, you give a big advantage to attackers which in turn will force teams to play more defensive football since high lines will be punished a lot more. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18400 Posts
On March 07 2026 18:23 Charoisaur wrote: it makes a difference whether a goal gets cancelled because your toenail was 1 cm in offside or if it gets cancelled because your whole body is 1cm in offside. the latter clearly gives an advantage to the attacking player so it makes sense that it's not allowed. 1cm of a toenail doesn't really give an advantage. It's also more in line with previous handlings where offside was only called when the human eye could see it - usually when a large percentage or the whole body was in offside. There will also be less uncertainty for the fans because the whole body being offside is easier to recognize with the eye. How is the difference relevant. Instead of your toenail being offside, it'll now be the defenders complaining because it was their toenail that left the attacker onside. It's literally the same argument. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18721 Posts
On March 07 2026 19:23 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, but the discussions about cms will still happen. Also, you give a big advantage to attackers which in turn will force teams to play more defensive football since high lines will be punished a lot more. Have you seen the premier league this season? We already have huge changes in style before any rule changes | ||
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justanothertownie
16342 Posts
On March 07 2026 21:59 sharkie wrote: Have you seen the premier league this season? We already have huge changes in style before any rule changes So? | ||
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sharkie
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