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On July 12 2021 07:23 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 12 2021 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:13 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:12 sharkie wrote:
How did England not win this tournament lol.
You will never ever get more home advantage in a tournament than England did this game Time to laugh at them for failing to win it after travelling the least and playing home all but one game  Yes and you get to laugh at us from the top of the mountain of Czech footballing achievement Pretty eye level, if you ask me. Quite, and yet here we are getting to a final and where were the Czechs? So he can laugh it up all he wants. Honestly I don't mind a bit of banter but this guy has been a douchebag for about the last 20 pages. Cry me a river, our team is weak and if there would have been 16 teams we wouldn't be there. I am honest about our team. Cannot be said about some people here
What have been said dishonestly about England?
We were the second best team in the competition. I don't think anyone here has said we were the best. You've been talking shit about us for so long its starting to look like an unhealthy obsession with hating people.
Wouldn't be surprising though given your fans history.
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France12905 Posts
On July 12 2021 07:13 Oukka wrote:
Penalty subs are fairly normal I'd say, at least when there is still subs to be used. EC final had three subs at 123th minute, two for ManU and one for Villareal for example. All of them scored.
I think it's just more of the "penalties are lost, not won" mindset, rarely it is the winning penalty that gets talked about, it's always the misses.
Because I am pretty sure it’s far easier to score it than miss it, statistically? Like free throws in basketball, you kinda have to miss it because of pressure than playing well for it to work
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On July 12 2021 07:14 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm so sad right now.
It felt like it was all coming together but then just unlucky with the pens.
I think Southgate got it a bit wrong, but holy shit the guy has worked miracles with England since he took over.
It’s not all bad, this team should be even better come the World Cup
Pretty sure england wont even be close as successful next year. Could totally see a group exit
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 12 2021 07:27 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:23 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 12 2021 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:13 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:12 sharkie wrote:
How did England not win this tournament lol.
You will never ever get more home advantage in a tournament than England did this game Time to laugh at them for failing to win it after travelling the least and playing home all but one game Yes and you get to laugh at us from the top of the mountain of Czech footballing achievement Pretty eye level, if you ask me. Quite, and yet here we are getting to a final and where were the Czechs? So he can laugh it up all he wants. Honestly I don't mind a bit of banter but this guy has been a douchebag for about the last 20 pages. Cry me a river, our team is weak and if there would have been 16 teams we wouldn't be there. I am honest about our team. Cannot be said about some people here What have been said dishonestly about England? We were the second best team in the competition. I don't think anyone here has said we were the best. You've been talking shit about us for so long its starting to look like an unhealthy obsession with hating people. Wouldn't be surprising though given your fans history.
Well, for example that travelling doesn't affect the teams. IT does. That it was a fair penalty. It wasn't. English fans are not booing at anthems. They do(TBF not sure about today, missed them anthems).
And the irony is, that if it wasn';t of this obnoxious "coming home" and stupid stuff above(and some other shit) I would be hoping for England to win, because I really don't like Italy. But on this tournament I had to overcome my English fanboying and went for anyone else, especially after the penalty vs Denmark.
Stop shitting about our fans, especially since the shit that's been happening in England. e.g. the tweet few pages ago
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Northern Ireland26096 Posts
On July 12 2021 07:23 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 12 2021 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:13 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:12 sharkie wrote:
How did England not win this tournament lol.
You will never ever get more home advantage in a tournament than England did this game Time to laugh at them for failing to win it after travelling the least and playing home all but one game Yes and you get to laugh at us from the top of the mountain of Czech footballing achievement Pretty eye level, if you ask me. Quite, and yet here we are getting to a final and where were the Czechs? So he can laugh it up all he wants. Honestly I don't mind a bit of banter but this guy has been a douchebag for about the last 20 pages. Cry me a river, our team is weak and if there would have been 16 teams we wouldn't be there. I am honest about our team. Cannot be said about some people here
I mean are you? You just bitch about England as if they’re some outlier and the only team that gets the benefit of bad refereeing decisions, or indulges in gamesmanship while saying accusations of racism against a Sparta Prague player aren’t credible.
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On July 12 2021 07:13 Oukka wrote:
Penalty subs are fairly normal I'd say, at least when there is still subs to be used. EC final had three subs at 123th minute, two for ManU and one for Villareal for example. All of them scored.
I think it's just more of the "penalties are lost, not won" mindset, rarely it is the winning penalty that gets talked about, it's always the misses.
Its different though, Sancho and Rashford barely played this tournament.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 12 2021 07:31 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:23 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 12 2021 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:13 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:12 sharkie wrote:
How did England not win this tournament lol.
You will never ever get more home advantage in a tournament than England did this game Time to laugh at them for failing to win it after travelling the least and playing home all but one game Yes and you get to laugh at us from the top of the mountain of Czech footballing achievement Pretty eye level, if you ask me. Quite, and yet here we are getting to a final and where were the Czechs? So he can laugh it up all he wants. Honestly I don't mind a bit of banter but this guy has been a douchebag for about the last 20 pages. Cry me a river, our team is weak and if there would have been 16 teams we wouldn't be there. I am honest about our team. Cannot be said about some people here I mean are you? You just bitch about England as if they’re some outlier and the only team that gets the benefit of bad refereeing decisions, or indulges in gamesmanship while saying accusations of racism against a Sparta Prague player aren’t credible.
Honest about our team? Yeah. You think that not? Care to quote some examples of me saying otherwise? And notice I haven't said anything against the English team, contrary to your believe of hating them I even praised them at least once 
Edit> What racist accusation against Sparta Prague? Care to elaborate? I know abotu Slavia Prague accusation. Can you see the difference or are you too much racist against Slavs to not care?
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Northern Ireland26096 Posts
On July 12 2021 07:29 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:14 WombaT wrote:On July 12 2021 07:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm so sad right now.
It felt like it was all coming together but then just unlucky with the pens.
I think Southgate got it a bit wrong, but holy shit the guy has worked miracles with England since he took over.
It’s not all bad, this team should be even better come the World Cup Pretty sure england wont even be close as successful next year. Could totally see a group exit
It’s possible, strikes me as unlikely.
Outside of France there isn’t a team out there as stacked with quality as England currently, and those players tend to be younger than 25
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On July 12 2021 07:27 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:13 Oukka wrote:
Penalty subs are fairly normal I'd say, at least when there is still subs to be used. EC final had three subs at 123th minute, two for ManU and one for Villareal for example. All of them scored.
I think it's just more of the "penalties are lost, not won" mindset, rarely it is the winning penalty that gets talked about, it's always the misses. Because I am pretty sure it’s far easier to score it than miss it, statistically? Like free throws in basketball, you kinda have to miss it because of pressure than playing well for it to work
That's true, but that doesn't remove the fact that it easily leads to selection of confirmation bias. Just like in this case, people were saying how bad it is to sub in players to take the pens, expect that it isn't (or maybe it is, I actually don't have numbers) by referring to cases where it didn't work.
And in general it is much harder to remember penalty taker number three who scored, than to remember the one who missed the deciding one, that's when the drama peaks. Then that player gets associated with the whole lost penalty shootout and match, and I would imagine the connection is much stronger than it is with the winning side and their penalties.
I feel like I could write a long moan about penalties, but they're still a reasonable way to end a game and it's late and most of the things have been already articulated by people smarter than me. So maybe another time.
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United States43272 Posts
On July 12 2021 07:23 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 12 2021 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:13 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:12 sharkie wrote:
How did England not win this tournament lol.
You will never ever get more home advantage in a tournament than England did this game Time to laugh at them for failing to win it after travelling the least and playing home all but one game Yes and you get to laugh at us from the top of the mountain of Czech footballing achievement Pretty eye level, if you ask me. Quite, and yet here we are getting to a final and where were the Czechs? So he can laugh it up all he wants. Honestly I don't mind a bit of banter but this guy has been a douchebag for about the last 20 pages. Cry me a river, our team is weak and if there would have been 16 teams we wouldn't be there. I am honest about our team. Cannot be said about some people here
If you're implying that the English fans were somehow deluded as to the quality of their team then that would seem a very foolish implication to make after watching them hold their own for 2 hours against the best team in Europe. This is the kind of hysteria that I'm talking about. England lose and you still see the need to whine about them.
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On July 12 2021 07:34 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:31 WombaT wrote:On July 12 2021 07:23 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 12 2021 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:13 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:12 sharkie wrote:
How did England not win this tournament lol.
You will never ever get more home advantage in a tournament than England did this game Time to laugh at them for failing to win it after travelling the least and playing home all but one game Yes and you get to laugh at us from the top of the mountain of Czech footballing achievement Pretty eye level, if you ask me. Quite, and yet here we are getting to a final and where were the Czechs? So he can laugh it up all he wants. Honestly I don't mind a bit of banter but this guy has been a douchebag for about the last 20 pages. Cry me a river, our team is weak and if there would have been 16 teams we wouldn't be there. I am honest about our team. Cannot be said about some people here I mean are you? You just bitch about England as if they’re some outlier and the only team that gets the benefit of bad refereeing decisions, or indulges in gamesmanship while saying accusations of racism against a Sparta Prague player aren’t credible. Honest about our team? Yeah. You think that not? Care to quote some examples of me saying otherwise? And notice I haven't said anything against the English team, contrary to your believe of hating them I even praised them at least once Edit> What racist accusation against Sparta Prague? Care to elaborate? I know abotu Slavia Prague accusation. Can you see the difference or are you too much racist against Slavs to not care?
Just go away. You're just being an asshole, a team you clearly don't like lost, you don't have to rub it in the face of the people who did support that team.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 12 2021 07:38 Oukka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:27 Poopi wrote:On July 12 2021 07:13 Oukka wrote:
Penalty subs are fairly normal I'd say, at least when there is still subs to be used. EC final had three subs at 123th minute, two for ManU and one for Villareal for example. All of them scored.
I think it's just more of the "penalties are lost, not won" mindset, rarely it is the winning penalty that gets talked about, it's always the misses. Because I am pretty sure it’s far easier to score it than miss it, statistically? Like free throws in basketball, you kinda have to miss it because of pressure than playing well for it to work That's true, but that doesn't remove the fact that it easily leads to selection of confirmation bias. Just like in this case, people were saying how bad it is to sub in players to take the pens, expect that it isn't (or maybe it is, I actually don't have numbers) by referring to cases where it didn't work. And in general it is much harder to remember penalty taker number three who scored, than to remember the one who missed the deciding one, that's when the drama peaks. Then that player gets associated with the whole lost penalty shootout and match, and I would imagine the connection is much stronger than it is with the winning side and their penalties. I feel like I could write a long moan about penalties, but they're still a reasonable way to end a game and it's late and most of the things have been already articulated by people smarter than me. So maybe another time.
I've read somewhere that the team which starts the shootout wins most of the time(like 70 %). Not sure if the math behind it is valid or not but the psychological effect may be stronger than it seems. Because penalty is considered as a sure goal so there's not much pressure for GK to catch it, but when you're losing 1:0 and you have to score...
On July 12 2021 07:40 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:23 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 12 2021 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:13 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:12 sharkie wrote:
How did England not win this tournament lol.
You will never ever get more home advantage in a tournament than England did this game Time to laugh at them for failing to win it after travelling the least and playing home all but one game Yes and you get to laugh at us from the top of the mountain of Czech footballing achievement Pretty eye level, if you ask me. Quite, and yet here we are getting to a final and where were the Czechs? So he can laugh it up all he wants. Honestly I don't mind a bit of banter but this guy has been a douchebag for about the last 20 pages. Cry me a river, our team is weak and if there would have been 16 teams we wouldn't be there. I am honest about our team. Cannot be said about some people here If you're implying that the English fans were somehow deluded as to the quality of their team then that would seem a very foolish implication to make after watching them hold their own for 2 hours against the best team in Europe. This is the kind of hysteria that I'm talking about. England lose and you still see the need to whine about them.
I am not. Maybe the language barrier is too strong but you're reading into my posts something I haven't written in them.
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France12905 Posts
On July 12 2021 07:38 Oukka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:27 Poopi wrote:On July 12 2021 07:13 Oukka wrote:
Penalty subs are fairly normal I'd say, at least when there is still subs to be used. EC final had three subs at 123th minute, two for ManU and one for Villareal for example. All of them scored.
I think it's just more of the "penalties are lost, not won" mindset, rarely it is the winning penalty that gets talked about, it's always the misses. Because I am pretty sure it’s far easier to score it than miss it, statistically? Like free throws in basketball, you kinda have to miss it because of pressure than playing well for it to work That's true, but that doesn't remove the fact that it easily leads to selection of confirmation bias. Just like in this case, people were saying how bad it is to sub in players to take the pens, expect that it isn't (or maybe it is, I actually don't have numbers) by referring to cases where it didn't work. And in general it is much harder to remember penalty taker number three who scored, than to remember the one who missed the deciding one, that's when the drama peaks. Then that player gets associated with the whole lost penalty shootout and match, and I would imagine the connection is much stronger than it is with the winning side and their penalties. I feel like I could write a long moan about penalties, but they're still a reasonable way to end a game and it's late and most of the things have been already articulated by people smarter than me. So maybe another time.
You are right in that I remember Trezeguet missing his penalty in 2006 and how, shooting above the goal, while I don’t remember who and how others scored theirs and the others penalties missed, but that’s how it is.
As for is it useful to sub in for penalties, it’s probably up to the players and their « feelings » towards it.
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Thank the gods England did not win. The world owes the Romans a great debt 
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On July 12 2021 07:29 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:14 WombaT wrote:On July 12 2021 07:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm so sad right now.
It felt like it was all coming together but then just unlucky with the pens.
I think Southgate got it a bit wrong, but holy shit the guy has worked miracles with England since he took over.
It’s not all bad, this team should be even better come the World Cup Pretty sure england wont even be close as successful next year. Could totally see a group exit
Group exit I dunno. But how likely is it for them to get a (comparatively) super easy bracket for the third time in a row?
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On July 12 2021 07:37 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:29 sharkie wrote:On July 12 2021 07:14 WombaT wrote:On July 12 2021 07:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm so sad right now.
It felt like it was all coming together but then just unlucky with the pens.
I think Southgate got it a bit wrong, but holy shit the guy has worked miracles with England since he took over.
It’s not all bad, this team should be even better come the World Cup Pretty sure england wont even be close as successful next year. Could totally see a group exit It’s possible, strikes me as unlikely. Outside of France there isn’t a team out there as stacked with quality as England currently, and those players tend to be younger than 25
Well considering they should have lost to scotland and apart from sterling their group stage games were abysmal..
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Northern Ireland26096 Posts
On July 12 2021 07:34 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:31 WombaT wrote:On July 12 2021 07:23 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 12 2021 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:13 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:12 sharkie wrote:
How did England not win this tournament lol.
You will never ever get more home advantage in a tournament than England did this game Time to laugh at them for failing to win it after travelling the least and playing home all but one game Yes and you get to laugh at us from the top of the mountain of Czech footballing achievement Pretty eye level, if you ask me. Quite, and yet here we are getting to a final and where were the Czechs? So he can laugh it up all he wants. Honestly I don't mind a bit of banter but this guy has been a douchebag for about the last 20 pages. Cry me a river, our team is weak and if there would have been 16 teams we wouldn't be there. I am honest about our team. Cannot be said about some people here I mean are you? You just bitch about England as if they’re some outlier and the only team that gets the benefit of bad refereeing decisions, or indulges in gamesmanship while saying accusations of racism against a Sparta Prague player aren’t credible. Honest about our team? Yeah. You think that not? Care to quote some examples of me saying otherwise? And notice I haven't said anything against the English team, contrary to your believe of hating them I even praised them at least once Edit> What racist accusation against Sparta Prague? Care to elaborate? I know abotu Slavia Prague accusation. Can you see the difference or are you too much racist against Slavs to not care?
Oh sorry, Slavia Prague, not Sparta. It’s an absolutely huge difference.
You seem to be pretty aware of the incident I’m referring to in terms of your responses, strange that.
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Northern Ireland26096 Posts
On July 12 2021 07:51 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:37 WombaT wrote:On July 12 2021 07:29 sharkie wrote:On July 12 2021 07:14 WombaT wrote:On July 12 2021 07:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm so sad right now.
It felt like it was all coming together but then just unlucky with the pens.
I think Southgate got it a bit wrong, but holy shit the guy has worked miracles with England since he took over.
It’s not all bad, this team should be even better come the World Cup Pretty sure england wont even be close as successful next year. Could totally see a group exit It’s possible, strikes me as unlikely. Outside of France there isn’t a team out there as stacked with quality as England currently, and those players tend to be younger than 25 Well considering they should have lost to scotland and apart from sterling their group stage games were abysmal..
They were bad against Scotland, they weren’t amazing against either the Czechs or Croatia but were better in both games.
At a World Cup your group is going to tend to be easier. It’s possible an England bombs out in group stages absolutely, it doesn’t strike me as particularly likely
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 12 2021 08:00 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:34 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:31 WombaT wrote:On July 12 2021 07:23 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 12 2021 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2021 07:13 deacon.frost wrote:On July 12 2021 07:12 sharkie wrote:
How did England not win this tournament lol.
You will never ever get more home advantage in a tournament than England did this game Time to laugh at them for failing to win it after travelling the least and playing home all but one game Yes and you get to laugh at us from the top of the mountain of Czech footballing achievement Pretty eye level, if you ask me. Quite, and yet here we are getting to a final and where were the Czechs? So he can laugh it up all he wants. Honestly I don't mind a bit of banter but this guy has been a douchebag for about the last 20 pages. Cry me a river, our team is weak and if there would have been 16 teams we wouldn't be there. I am honest about our team. Cannot be said about some people here I mean are you? You just bitch about England as if they’re some outlier and the only team that gets the benefit of bad refereeing decisions, or indulges in gamesmanship while saying accusations of racism against a Sparta Prague player aren’t credible. Honest about our team? Yeah. You think that not? Care to quote some examples of me saying otherwise? And notice I haven't said anything against the English team, contrary to your believe of hating them I even praised them at least once Edit> What racist accusation against Sparta Prague? Care to elaborate? I know abotu Slavia Prague accusation. Can you see the difference or are you too much racist against Slavs to not care? Oh sorry, Slavia Prague, not Sparta. It’s an absolutely huge difference. You seem to be pretty aware of the incident I’m referring to in terms of your responses, strange that.
To Czechs it's a huge difference. It's like SCotland and England, neverending love story 
On July 12 2021 08:03 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2021 07:51 sharkie wrote:On July 12 2021 07:37 WombaT wrote:On July 12 2021 07:29 sharkie wrote:On July 12 2021 07:14 WombaT wrote:On July 12 2021 07:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm so sad right now.
It felt like it was all coming together but then just unlucky with the pens.
I think Southgate got it a bit wrong, but holy shit the guy has worked miracles with England since he took over.
It’s not all bad, this team should be even better come the World Cup Pretty sure england wont even be close as successful next year. Could totally see a group exit It’s possible, strikes me as unlikely. Outside of France there isn’t a team out there as stacked with quality as England currently, and those players tend to be younger than 25 Well considering they should have lost to scotland and apart from sterling their group stage games were abysmal.. They were bad against Scotland, they weren’t amazing against either the Czechs or Croatia but were better in both games. At a World Cup your group is going to tend to be easier. It’s possible an England bombs out in group stages absolutely, it doesn’t strike me as particularly likely
To me it's mostly about the tactics. When they weren't defensive they played well, so maybe finding some other fool who would try to manage the team less defensively? Don't know who's brave enough to take it though, it's rather ungrateful job.
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Not exactly a memorable final, Chiesa was the only spark. The early England goal was the perfect setup for Sterling to be a huge menace on the counter against an Italy that has to score and has two retirement age CBs but it just never happened.
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