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Twinkle Toes
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Twinkle Toes
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On February 17 2020 06:06 JimmiC wrote: Yes and should have said one of the many ways. But it showed your ultra stanness since you got all emotional. And 4.7 assists is OK not great. And in the most important moments he showed he would rather lose than pass, as shaq recently pointed out. What he really cared about was winning his way. You can keep believing Kobe is a top 2 player, but its simply not true and only defendable by emotion. Ahhh JC, why do you resort to poisoning the well. We are not jj man, cmon, we can reason together ok. I gave you objective verifiable facts, which I will summarize here as my closing arguments to this MJ #1 Kobe #2 debate: 1. MJ is #1, he had a perfect career, so there is no touching him (so any lbj stans who claim lbj at this point in his career is better or greater than mj will be dismissed and mocked outright) 2. So the argument is Kobe vs. Lebron 3. Lebron had 100 straight finals? Yeah, on a weak east with lowry, pg, hibbert, derozan, wall, and whoever they had in atlanta then. 4. While Kobe had consistently year after year to go through TD spurs, kings, portland, dirk mavs, etc, 5. Kobe is even the best player in LA during the first 3peat? go ahead ask Shaq. The video is on YT, look it up JC and see what the Big Aristotle, learned basketball scholar, himself has to say about the matter 6. Morons stating this miss the fact that Nick Wrong and Fathorst fail to mention that the difference is actualy often only 1 point or less. Its not as if Lebron is averaging 20rpg and 15 apg and MJ/Kobe are 2/1. Often, the difference boils down to less than a point, which when you consider lbj is the ball handler and plays 3/4 becomes glaring why he doesnt have more assists and rebound. 7. It is stated already, all players who have played with and against both of them choose Kobe. 8. God himself chooses Kobe. 9. Athleticism, this hurts my brain really bad. Watch them both play man. Is anyone really seriously thinking Lebron is more athletic than Kobe? In the immortal words of my great Executive Producer everytime we go on a shitfaced drinking spree, which I hereby quote in verbatim: "Peak Kobe vs. Peak lebron on a break? The minimum you will get from kobe is a 360 between the leg reverse windmill tornado dunk which blows the roof off. Give lebron 10 tries and he will do the same shitty freight train tomahawk dunk. zzzzz" 10. Impact? Kobe is well loved, admired, adored, WORSHIPPED by players and fans in the US and CHINA, South East Asia, India, MIddle East, Europe, UK. Even the 11 or so inhabitants of Marie Byrd Land, Antarctica, who know not and have seen not any basketball all their lives, LOVE KOBE. Well lbj is loved by China too, but thats another matter for now. 11. Lebron is a media+NBA machine superstar, Kobe and MJ are legit natural superstars. 12, Re stats, another words of wisdom from my beloved boss: Kobe and MJ are great, which is why they have the stats they do. Lebron produces the stats in order to be great. That's all. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On February 17 2020 08:08 Twinkle Toes wrote: True. Which means, for me and I think many others, since we cannot objectively discuss Kareem and his generation and those before him because we didnt see them play, we could limit it to modern era, i.e, Jordan and beyond. This might shock you but there are a LOT of fans out there that never saw Jordan play. IMO that is the main reason Lebron even gets compared to him at all. As players they were VERY different from each other. Lebron has way more in common with Magic than he does with Jordan. Since people have nothing to go on except stats, they try to compare using those but that's really stupid because the game is played so much different now and Lebron and Jordan got their numbers playing entirely different styles. Not only that, but there's my Eastern conference argument from earlier. For someone that's been alive long enough to see both of them play, I can say that MJ was way more dominant in his prime than Lebron was and if I wanted to I can point to any number of numbers to compare them. But truthfully it's pointless to compare them when they were so different as players. Kobe vs MJ is different. Kobe modeled his entire game after MJ. Everything from how he played to his mannerisms. Kobe literally was MJ Light. MJ definitely had the better career and the greater successes but Kobe did the best anyone's ever done in trying to "be like Mike." | ||
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cLutZ
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JimmiC
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Vindicare605
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Seriously aside from the "I like them more." reason, what reason could you possibly have for putting David Robinson, Kevin Garnett or Dirk Nowitski above Kobe. The only thing I see from them is they're all Forwards or Centers and you have a problem with Guards. In every metric you can possibly use for comparing them Kobe wins. David Robinson I'm less serious about since he's more a 90's player than a 2000's but KG and Dirk played against Kobe for basically their entire careers and they got dominated when you look at their careers next to each other. It's like putting Ewing above Jordan. Makes 0 sense. | ||
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zev318
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cLutZ
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You could, if you went really madlad make a case for KG being close to that group because of the Twolves being basically the Browns of the NBA, wasting his prime, but I would not make that case. For me, there is Jordan, then Kareem, then a large gap. If we are only talking post Jordan, its LeBron, Duncan, and Shaq then a small gap to Kobe, who is way ahead of whatever I'd put in tier 3 | ||
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JimmiC
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Vindicare605
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On February 17 2020 09:55 cLutZ wrote: Yeah, Robinson and Dirk don't belong anywhere near that conversation. You could, if you went really madlad make a case for KG being close to that group because of the Twolves being basically the Browns of the NBA, wasting his prime, but I would not make that case. For me, there is Jordan, then Kareem, then a large gap. If we are only talking post Jordan, its LeBron, Duncan, and Shaq then a small gap to Kobe, who is way ahead of whatever I'd put in tier 3 Agreed for most of it, but I can't put Lebron over Duncan or Shaq but that's with a strong recency bias. If someone wanted to put Bill Russel at third I totally understand why. | ||
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Vindicare605
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Twinkle Toes
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On February 17 2020 10:45 Vindicare605 wrote: Is it just me or does team Lebron look WAY stacked compared to team Giannis right now? Giannis is a shitty picker. Three years and counting. Seriously after Lebron selected AD, he should have locked Kawhi wtf. He always gets the scraps. Of course I say this having in mind that these are all stars too. Tbf to him, Giannis seems serious this game. Kobe represent. Go get that Kobe trophy Giannis. PS. African american/hypebeast/rap culture American homies, please explain this performance in the halftime? Why do so many love it? Serious explanation sought. Thanks | ||
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Twinkle Toes
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JimmiC
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Vindicare605
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On February 17 2020 11:57 JimmiC wrote: Im a dirk fan so Im sure Im biased. But he is underrated, he changed what people thought 7 footers could do there was no one like him playing outside the paint, and being great. Now their are tons.. And he carried that Mavs team to the title. No one in this thread is saying he wasn't amazing in 2011. Hell it stands to date as one of my favorite runs from a player that I've ever seen. That was 1 title. 1 great run. That's a cool thing to have, but that doesn't put him anywhere near the top 10 much less 5. Where everyone up there has had multiple titles, multiple amazing runs. | ||
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