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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-09 05:06:59
June 09 2018 05:05 GMT
#1201
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Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 09 2018 05:24 GMT
#1202
On June 09 2018 13:42 ZenithM wrote:
Is "3 Hardens" your top 2 best example of catch&shooters to pair with Lebron James?



Isn't the ultimate team for Lebron is 3 Klays and a Davis?
Freeeeeeedom
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
June 09 2018 05:29 GMT
#1203
On June 09 2018 13:54 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2018 13:41 BlackJack wrote:
On June 09 2018 13:20 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
- cavs being underdog is a myth. they almost win g1 and g3. they lost only because of effort and d,and stupidity


????? Look, I'm used to being the biggest LeBron fan around these parts but if you think LeBron with this Cavs roster is even money against the greatest team of all-time than you probably edge me out as LeBron's #1 fan.

not even, but they are notr big underdogs that people think. they lost not because of lack of talkent, but effort and defense. love, green, smith, korver, if they are given opportunity to perform well are serious threats, even hood. problem is cavs system is bad for them


So you're saying you know better than pretty much everyone? ESPN, fivethirtyeight, Vegas, the majority of fans, etc. etc. Everyone had Warriors as a huge favorite and they won just as a huge favorite would win. Opening odds in Vegas were Warriors -1000.

But as I said, this Warriors team is the best team of all-time. It's the greatest shooting team of all-time. Any team in the NBA would be happy to have 1 guy that can put up 20 PPG on 50/40/90 numbers, this team nearly has 3. 2 MVPs in their prime, with 2 other all-stars and an entire roster that knows how to play defense and knows how to play unselfishly. Are you seriously comparing this talent to Love, JR Smith, Jeff Green, and a 37 year old Kyle Korver?
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 09 2018 05:32 GMT
#1204
Dynasty Warriors. Thanks ESPN.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
xwoGworwaTsx
Profile Joined April 2012
United States984 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-09 05:39:44
June 09 2018 05:38 GMT
#1205
On June 09 2018 14:29 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2018 13:54 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
On June 09 2018 13:41 BlackJack wrote:
On June 09 2018 13:20 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
- cavs being underdog is a myth. they almost win g1 and g3. they lost only because of effort and d,and stupidity


????? Look, I'm used to being the biggest LeBron fan around these parts but if you think LeBron with this Cavs roster is even money against the greatest team of all-time than you probably edge me out as LeBron's #1 fan.

not even, but they are notr big underdogs that people think. they lost not because of lack of talkent, but effort and defense. love, green, smith, korver, if they are given opportunity to perform well are serious threats, even hood. problem is cavs system is bad for them


So you're saying you know better than pretty much everyone? ESPN, fivethirtyeight, Vegas, the majority of fans, etc. etc. Everyone had Warriors as a huge favorite and they won just as a huge favorite would win. Opening odds in Vegas were Warriors -1000.

But as I said, this Warriors team is the best team of all-time. It's the greatest shooting team of all-time. Any team in the NBA would be happy to have 1 guy that can put up 20 PPG on 50/40/90 numbers, this team nearly has 3. 2 MVPs in their prime, with 2 other all-stars and an entire roster that knows how to play defense and knows how to play unselfishly. Are you seriously comparing this talent to Love, JR Smith, Jeff Green, and a 37 year old Kyle Korver?

ahh the rabid cavs fan...

excuses excuses. whihing and whining

did you not watch the games? games 1 and 3 were winnable.

take your L and go cry
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
June 09 2018 05:39 GMT
#1206
Only 5 players last season put up 20+ PPG on 58+ eFG%. LeBron was one, KAT was another, and the last 3 were all on the Warriors.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-09 05:54:59
June 09 2018 05:53 GMT
#1207
On June 09 2018 14:38 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2018 14:29 BlackJack wrote:
On June 09 2018 13:54 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
On June 09 2018 13:41 BlackJack wrote:
On June 09 2018 13:20 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
- cavs being underdog is a myth. they almost win g1 and g3. they lost only because of effort and d,and stupidity


????? Look, I'm used to being the biggest LeBron fan around these parts but if you think LeBron with this Cavs roster is even money against the greatest team of all-time than you probably edge me out as LeBron's #1 fan.

not even, but they are notr big underdogs that people think. they lost not because of lack of talkent, but effort and defense. love, green, smith, korver, if they are given opportunity to perform well are serious threats, even hood. problem is cavs system is bad for them


So you're saying you know better than pretty much everyone? ESPN, fivethirtyeight, Vegas, the majority of fans, etc. etc. Everyone had Warriors as a huge favorite and they won just as a huge favorite would win. Opening odds in Vegas were Warriors -1000.

But as I said, this Warriors team is the best team of all-time. It's the greatest shooting team of all-time. Any team in the NBA would be happy to have 1 guy that can put up 20 PPG on 50/40/90 numbers, this team nearly has 3. 2 MVPs in their prime, with 2 other all-stars and an entire roster that knows how to play defense and knows how to play unselfishly. Are you seriously comparing this talent to Love, JR Smith, Jeff Green, and a 37 year old Kyle Korver?

ahh the rabid cavs fan...

excuses excuses. whihing and whining

did you not watch the games? games 1 and 3 were winnable.

take your L and go cry


Yeah... If I came here to post excuses for the Cavs losing I would have done that hours ago or even days ago. All I am doing is trying to educate your ignorant view of how sports odds work. If you think Cavs almost winning games 1 and 3 means they weren't underdogs this series than there is probably nothing I can say to give you a clue so I guess I will give up.

I've accepted the Cavs loss weeks ago.

On May 16 2018 12:13 BlackJack wrote:
As a LeBron fan I'd be worried if there was more on the line. But when your season either ends here or it ends by getting smashed by the Warriors in the finals, it's really not that much different.


Not a very bold prediction. It was obvious to anyone paying attention that the Cavs were a huge underdog this series.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
June 09 2018 06:07 GMT
#1208
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
June 09 2018 07:11 GMT
#1209
On June 09 2018 15:07 BlackJack wrote:
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1005318584615227392


LOL
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-09 08:41:02
June 09 2018 08:40 GMT
#1210
On June 09 2018 14:53 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2018 12:13 BlackJack wrote:
As a LeBron fan I'd be worried if there was more on the line. But when your season either ends here or it ends by getting smashed by the Warriors in the finals, it's really not that much different.


Not a very bold prediction. It was obvious to anyone paying attention that the Cavs were a huge underdog this series.

Except my boy xoGorwa whose model did output that the Cavs are evenly matched talent-wise with the Warriors. They just lost because of defense and effort. 37 year old Korver is an even match to Klay Thompson on that end, but the Cavs' system cannot draw out his lockdown defending abilities well enough.
Also Love would be a DPOY on another team, much like his counterpart Draymond Green.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-09 09:31:16
June 09 2018 09:20 GMT
#1211
On June 09 2018 14:38 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2018 14:29 BlackJack wrote:
On June 09 2018 13:54 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
On June 09 2018 13:41 BlackJack wrote:
On June 09 2018 13:20 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
- cavs being underdog is a myth. they almost win g1 and g3. they lost only because of effort and d,and stupidity


????? Look, I'm used to being the biggest LeBron fan around these parts but if you think LeBron with this Cavs roster is even money against the greatest team of all-time than you probably edge me out as LeBron's #1 fan.

not even, but they are notr big underdogs that people think. they lost not because of lack of talkent, but effort and defense. love, green, smith, korver, if they are given opportunity to perform well are serious threats, even hood. problem is cavs system is bad for them


So you're saying you know better than pretty much everyone? ESPN, fivethirtyeight, Vegas, the majority of fans, etc. etc. Everyone had Warriors as a huge favorite and they won just as a huge favorite would win. Opening odds in Vegas were Warriors -1000.

But as I said, this Warriors team is the best team of all-time. It's the greatest shooting team of all-time. Any team in the NBA would be happy to have 1 guy that can put up 20 PPG on 50/40/90 numbers, this team nearly has 3. 2 MVPs in their prime, with 2 other all-stars and an entire roster that knows how to play defense and knows how to play unselfishly. Are you seriously comparing this talent to Love, JR Smith, Jeff Green, and a 37 year old Kyle Korver?

ahh the rabid cavs fan...

excuses excuses. whihing and whining

did you not watch the games? games 1 and 3 were winnable.

take your L and go cry

An underdog making two games close in a 4 game sweep doesn't mean they weren't an underdog. The Warriors were a huge favorite and to say that's a myth is utterly delusional. Stop being so thick and projecting when you're the real rabid fan/hater here. You even mention defense as a reason the cavs lost... which everyone saw coming.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
xwoGworwaTsx
Profile Joined April 2012
United States984 Posts
June 09 2018 10:48 GMT
#1212
lol strawman much?

i never said they were even, in fact it said specifically "not even"

and i didnt discuss any model. in fact i said lebron's system is a dud.

learn to read.

if you reply reply to this because this because this is my point:

on paper and in theory cavs are underdogs but its is much closer than it seems and in practice game wise cavs had certain winnable opportunities that they lost not because of disadvantage in talent but errors in defense assignments and rotations and effort.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-09 15:16:11
June 09 2018 13:28 GMT
#1213
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-09 17:35:34
June 09 2018 17:32 GMT
#1214
"Much closer than it seems"...
Just repeating that without backing it up will not make us believe you more. Two close losses in a sweep don't mean there wasn't a vast gap between the 2 teams...
It could have went 4-2 and we would still have called that Cavaliers team trash. It went 4-1 last year with a much better Cavs team, and they were still way disadvantaged back then.
xwoGworwaTsx
Profile Joined April 2012
United States984 Posts
June 09 2018 18:23 GMT
#1215
i have the best evidence why i say taht.

cavs playing well and players performing as expected almost won them games 1 adn 3. its not as if they arre hopeless. its 4-0 now, but they could win.

and this is related to why i said running the offense only through lebron is bad. they dont get rhythm and when he fails, they all fail but this another topic. we can also discuss this if you want to.

of course you are familiar with me. i am the one who always break up your argument with jimmyraynor when i bring up actual stats and analysis and he goes in hiding.

look. im a numbers guy and i want to talk in black and white. you accuse me of annoyoing stats. cite them and i will clobber you head with stats too.

you edit your post now, but i have explained about "closer than what people think" and lebrons legacy.

again. lets debate facts with facts.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-09 19:01:36
June 09 2018 19:00 GMT
#1216
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17806 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-09 22:05:38
June 09 2018 21:58 GMT
#1217
On April 16 2018 03:11 MassHysteria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 00:27 zev318 wrote:
On April 14 2018 21:50 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Kobe's Detail series, Ep.1

https://streamable.com/dar60
https://streamable.com/ka4b7
https://streamable.com/2t4e4


already banned

Espn/Disney gonna be hawks on their stuff. They want you to watch that shit on their platform... With that said, I saw a preview on The Jump and, for those few minutes at least, it was too much Kobe praising Kobe for my taste

the Kobe "Detail" critique of Derozan included Kobe explaining how Derozan should've passed the ball deep into the interior of the defense to Ibaka who then had a 3-pronged decision making process to go through while having 4 defenders within 3 feet of him. Ibaka then had an option to pass to JV who then might end up passing it back to Ibaka. In a video game with JV and Ibaka's ball handling and passing cranked up to 95 that might work.

it sounded and looked really cool though. especially with all the graphics. Kobe's voice is awesome.

Kobe has enough expensive suits. He is certainly tall enough. His voice is amazing. He'd make a great anchorman for The ABC 11 PM News.
Walter Cronkite move over.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11776 Posts
June 10 2018 00:54 GMT
#1218
On June 09 2018 15:07 BlackJack wrote:
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1005318584615227392

I know the offseason has started but lol
"JR Smith: don't worry we got game 5" lmao
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
June 10 2018 04:29 GMT
#1219
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/WAS/2010.html

I count 9 players from this team who won a championship elsewhere.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
June 10 2018 05:19 GMT
#1220
"I feel like it’s easy to be the best player when you don’t have good players around you. I feel like it’s harder to stand out when you have great players around you”

And KD just keeps digging
Yhamm is the god of predictions
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