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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17003 Posts
November 16 2017 23:25 GMT
#601
hopefully, my comments on George Hill's statistical decline now make sense.
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
November 16 2017 23:34 GMT
#602
Did you guys see this last night?

https://streamable.com/jj6bb
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
November 16 2017 23:37 GMT
#603
GSW vs. BOS tonight.

Many think this will be a great game, but I think it will be a demonstration.

KD, Curry, Green, Iggy, Klay, vs. Wokyrie.

Tough to call.
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-16 23:45:27
November 16 2017 23:41 GMT
#604
On November 15 2017 12:35 Nemireck wrote:
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On November 15 2017 10:36 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
there is no "mystery" to me about why Toronto's 1st unit is always trailing when substitutions occur later in the 1st quarter. Demar Derozan is a very bad defender. Once he is removed from the game Toronto's defense tightens up.

Toronto's defensive rating with Derozan on the floor : 110
Toronto's defensive rating without Derozan : 94.
ouch.
On November 14 2017 23:16 JimmiC wrote:
Edit 2: since i didnt quote your post i must not have been responding to it. Heck im not responding to you now. Im editing for everyone elses benefit since many people have said they dont like the back and forth filling the thread. You have shown on every thread you either dont care about others or you are completely socially unaware. Either way it has got you banned before and im sure it will happen again.

your post started with "Thats your opinion" indicating you were providing a rebuttal.
my post was a general observation not a comment on 1 specific game.


This is a mystery to literally nobody who has paid any amount of attention to the team for the last 3-4 years. I even understand this, and I'm nothing more than an unashamed bandwagon fan.

The only people confused about this are the casual observer that checks boxscores until playoffs start and they become, "Literally, the biggest fan ever! Like, Lowry man, and DeRozan... jeez!"

His scout uncle who watches games in the side lines with him taught him that, leave him alone.
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-16 23:54:13
November 16 2017 23:45 GMT
#605
On November 14 2017 23:16 JimmiC wrote:
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On November 14 2017 22:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
the Jazz offense is in bad shape with lots of problems.. and Ricky Rubio ain't one of 'em. When Ricky Rubio is your #1 scoring option you're not using him properly.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/11/9/16626430/nba-utah-jazz-ricky-rubio-donovan-mitchell

"Scared, Shotless: Ricky Rubio Is Utah’s Leading Scorer, Which Is Why Its Offense Is a Nightmare"

Utah's offense was average last year and they lost their #1 and #2 offensive producers in Gordon Hayward and George Hill. And last night they played without Gobert.

i'd say Hill > Rubio > Teague. Utah replacing Hill with Rubio makes Utah worse both offensively and defensively.



This will be my last response to you because we all know how that goes.

I was speaking about the game i watched last night and you clearly didnt. Rubio was bad not just statisically but on both ends. Could have been an off night who knows but last night it was not close.

Twolves clearly thought teague was a better fit for them. They both have different strengths.

Everything i have read about hill is he has disapointed in sac. He is going from a better team to a worse team which usually leads to a bump in usage and stats. Hill has regressed in both.

Its fine your opinion is that. But that doesnt make it a fact. And it is a fact that in the game last night rubio was bad (gobert didnt make he go 0 for 6 for mostly open 3)have more turnovers then assists and do nothing to slow teague. One night for sure Teague >>>>> Rubio


Edit: because you clearly cant read i didnt say teague is a better player or rubio is worse. I said teague was much better last night. Seriously you have 0 reading comprehension.

Edit 2: since i didnt quote your post i must not have been responding to it. Heck im not responding to you now. Im editing for everyone elses benefit since many people have said they dont like the back and forth filling the thread. You have shown on every thread you either dont care about others or you are completely socially unaware. Either way it has got you banned before and im sure it will happen again.


On November 16 2017 10:50 JimmiC wrote:
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On November 16 2017 07:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On November 16 2017 06:52 JimmiC wrote:Im just saying that saying you should cut his minutes on the raptors because OG is a better option is dumb. There will be no "proof" on this because they will never do it to show the negative effect. People who completely discount analytics are crazy, but their case is made for them by the uneducated people who make stupid claims based on them.

without getting into the details of why it is dumb you don't have a case. you've just labelled it dumb.


Exactly, I'm purposely trying to avoid that discussion because it would be with you and I don't enjoy those discussions nor do people on this thread enjoy reading them, in fact I purposely quoted someone other then you as to indicate that I was writing to them and not you.


Its funny how you say such stupid shit that you can't even live by it for a day.

"if i do not quote your post i am not providing a rebuttal to your post.
if you decide in your own mind i'm providing a direct rebuttal to your post when i do not quote your post you are living in your own dream world."

And your stupid shit made even less sense in the context you used, since you posted directly after me, exactly about what my post was in something completely unrelated to anything you were talking about, whereas I quoted someone else.

Turn down the narcissism, not only was I not talking to you, but I'm activity trying to avoid conversation with you.

On November 16 2017 11:57 JimmiC wrote:
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On November 16 2017 11:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On November 16 2017 06:52 JimmiC wrote: Im just saying that saying you should cut his minutes on the raptors because OG is a better option is dumb.


On November 16 2017 10:50 JimmiC wrote:
Turn down the narcissism, not only was I not talking to you, but I'm activity trying to avoid conversation with you.

how many others have proposed an increase in OG's minutes in exchange for a decrease in Derozan's minutes? so far , only me.

you've presented nothing that defends your position.

the last few games Casey's strategy for dealing with any player under 6'10" that the Raptors can't stop is: Stick OG on him.

so i think we're going to see OG's minutes rise above the current 18.7 minutes a game. if that means Derozan gets less than his usual 36 minutes a game then that's great.

About Tonight's Game: I'm surprised Lowry still has most of this teeth LOL.. holy fuck he is gettin' beat up tonight.

Which was exactly my point with you. But i understand what im doing.

There is 0 point explaing my position because even if its proven correct (like it would be) you would just argue relentlessly over and over. You would move the goal posts and use every other logical fallacy you could and never admit a slight bit of fault or error. No matter how clear or how many explain it. So there is no point especially on an issue so ridiculous that no one cares.

Could i start a seperate nba thread free of jimmyj and thos who wanted to stay here could and those who wanted to mobe could. Hell those who wanted to post or read both could? Can this be done?


Oh boy. I've told you plenty of times already. We already know for a fact that he just copy-pastes stuff here that he doesn't understand, and when someone who does challenges him, he disappears. We also know that he is incapable of intelligent discussion.

Just leave the poor guy alone in his bubble. Didn't you notice no one even bothers responding to his long posts and picture stats.

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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
November 16 2017 23:56 GMT
#606
On November 16 2017 14:55 sung_moon wrote:
Typical 2 minute warning Sixer's withholding, thoroughly enjoying beating Ball/Lakers. :D

Going to check out that BBallBreakdown of my boy SImmons tomorrow now thanks.

Trust the Process boooooooys

Sixers got next!

But Embiid is so unathletic with his landing. It's a ticking time bomb...
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17003 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-17 00:38:09
November 17 2017 00:37 GMT
#607
Heavyweight Championship Fight in 20 minutes !
On November 17 2017 08:56 Twinkle Toes wrote:
But Embiid is so unathletic with his landing. It's a ticking time bomb...

Embiid acknowledged in training camp that they did a lot of work on his landings. time will tell if that work on his landings pays off.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
November 17 2017 00:44 GMT
#608
Not even gonna be close.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17003 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-17 00:56:12
November 17 2017 00:49 GMT
#609
with Kyrie Irving's new diet he has a new level of uber-awareness.. almost a spider sense... too bad he has to wear a mask tonight.
On November 17 2017 08:41 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2017 12:35 Nemireck wrote:
On November 15 2017 10:36 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
there is no "mystery" to me about why Toronto's 1st unit is always trailing when substitutions occur later in the 1st quarter. Demar Derozan is a very bad defender. Once he is removed from the game Toronto's defense tightens up.

Toronto's defensive rating with Derozan on the floor : 110
Toronto's defensive rating without Derozan : 94.
ouch.
On November 14 2017 23:16 JimmiC wrote:
Edit 2: since i didnt quote your post i must not have been responding to it. Heck im not responding to you now. Im editing for everyone elses benefit since many people have said they dont like the back and forth filling the thread. You have shown on every thread you either dont care about others or you are completely socially unaware. Either way it has got you banned before and im sure it will happen again.

your post started with "Thats your opinion" indicating you were providing a rebuttal.
my post was a general observation not a comment on 1 specific game.


This is a mystery to literally nobody who has paid any amount of attention to the team for the last 3-4 years. I even understand this, and I'm nothing more than an unashamed bandwagon fan.

The only people confused about this are the casual observer that checks boxscores until playoffs start and they become, "Literally, the biggest fan ever! Like, Lowry man, and DeRozan... jeez!"

His scout uncle who watches games in the side lines with him taught him that, leave him alone.

he doesn't work for the Leafs any longer... he left more than 3 years ago.
its great you remember my 5 year old posts though... its great to have such a loyal fan.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 17 2017 00:56 GMT
#610
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 17 2017 00:59 GMT
#611
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-17 01:03:51
November 17 2017 01:03 GMT
#612
Guy can't even remember that his brag about his scout uncle was only last summer lol
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 17 2017 01:09 GMT
#613
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17003 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-17 01:21:40
November 17 2017 01:15 GMT
#614
soooo the Celtics are run by a former Toronto Blue Jay and they play in an arena whose naming rights are owned by the Toronto-Dominion Bank
On November 17 2017 09:56 JimmiC wrote:
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On November 17 2017 08:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
hopefully, my comments on George Hill's statistical decline now make sense.

When you blindly say OG over derozn stats are king regardless off logic

OG is a better defender than Derozan entirely based on direct observation. It ain't even close.
Defensive metrics indicate OG is better than DD. it ain't close.
However, I've already said i would not substitute OG directly for Derozan. Furthermore, the line up modification i proposed in previous posts would be experimental....lowering DD's minutes and increasing OGs minutes is an experiment well worth attempting.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 17 2017 01:19 GMT
#615
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-17 01:23:44
November 17 2017 01:21 GMT
#616
On November 17 2017 09:59 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2017 08:56 Twinkle Toes wrote:
On November 16 2017 14:55 sung_moon wrote:
Typical 2 minute warning Sixer's withholding, thoroughly enjoying beating Ball/Lakers. :D

Going to check out that BBallBreakdown of my boy SImmons tomorrow now thanks.

Trust the Process boooooooys

Sixers got next!

But Embiid is so unathletic with his landing. It's a ticking time bomb...

Its perfect because he gets injured, it was landing mechanics. If he doesnt, see he fixed his landing mechanics. But right now where we dont know what will happen no one is going to say if its fixed or if hes going to get injured.

The simple concept that correlation does not equal causation is another common weakness of data and theories.

I'm not an expert on landing mechanics, but I did some research to respond to JJ. If by good landing mechanics they mean land ball first, then I disagree that Wade and even DRose have bad landing mechanics since, and I think I've posted some actual pictures from vids about this in the Offseason thread, almost always land on ball first. Wade and Rose's injuries I think, my non-expert but keen observer opinion, has more to do with their explosive foot plant when they do side steps and their violent velocity when attacking the rim.

As for Kobe, you and I both agree that JJ's claim about his bad landing mechanics and one foot landing which led to his injury and shortened career is garbage and funny.

So moving on with the topic at hand. Embiid always seem to land with his full weight. Last night vs. the Lakers, he chased Ball's awkward angle layup, and Embiid just barely thinly grazed by someone else on his way up, Kuzma iirc, and that caused him to lose control and land flat footed and fall. In another game, he went to contest KD drive and no major or even remotely minor contact whatsoever, he landed as if someone pulled him down a la 80s era Pistons shenanigans.

It must be his upper body control or just poor balance. But he really should work it out. He, Simmons, Redick, and the rest of the team can really be the next East super team in a year or so.

By the way, any update on Jah?
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
November 17 2017 02:00 GMT
#617
Well landing after a jump and and landing while running are opposite processes. In both, you make an initial contact but try to distribute the weight through your foot. In running, you land on your calcaneus while when you jump you land on your metatarsals.

I think the reason people try to pick apart D-Wade's form because he just has such an odd gait. It looks like he's just taking all of the force on his calcaneus.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
November 17 2017 02:08 GMT
#618
On November 17 2017 11:00 Jerubaal wrote:
In running, you land on your calcaneus while when you jump you land on your metatarsals.


Which is weird for Embiid since you have to act against your body to land heel first after a jump. It's so unnatural.

I think the reason people try to pick apart D-Wade's form because he just has such an odd gait. It looks like he's just taking all of the force on his calcaneus.


Agreed.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 17 2017 02:21 GMT
#619
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Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
November 17 2017 02:37 GMT
#620
On November 17 2017 07:06 JimmiC wrote:
Hmm almost like effort and system play a large roll and you cant simply say some one is and always will be a bad defender based a couple advanced stats. I wonder who made this arguement before....


I mean, of course effort plays a huge part. We've all seen enough of Derozan to have observed the differences between nights where he tries hard on D and nights where he doesn't. The statistics are, at best, predictive based on the principle that "the best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour." If your argument is "stats can't predict a change in attitude or environment" then you're right, and you've exposed the limitations of statistical analysis. It's why teams still rely on people who have keen eyes for talent in order to assess players based on the "eye test." But I'd bet if someone were to seriously compare the two methods you'd find more similarities than stark differences, with a few outliers like Tom Brady sprinkled around the graph.

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