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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 14:24:08
February 04 2018 13:57 GMT
#2021
In light of the present Lebron checking out and never having MJ/Kobe's killer mentality, let's revisit this segment about MJ vs. Lebron thing with Zeke



I try to understand Zeke's point of view, I mean he is 80's old school of non flashy and rough style of play, but there is no way his evaluation of Jordan is not sour graping on their beef. In the clip above, he says Lebron is the GOAT and not MJ because LBJ gives to the community and he has also added as reasons in all other interviews/tv shows that Lebron has a genius mind because he did not have any good coach and all his basketball knowledge comes from his own (I think this was in an episode of Open Court), while Jordan, Kobe, Duncan, and all the other greats were part of the system. There was even one episode in Open Court (that I have been binge watching again recently) where they talk about failed potentials. One name that was brought up was TMac, and Kerr mentioned that despite all his talents, TMac never showed the fire that MJ or Kobe had. Zeke quickly jumped in to dismiss this by saying that it was a product of Jordan's coaching system and learning institution. Kerr, ever the gentleman, just let it go. In another episode, I think it was about eras, Zeke once again dismissed MJ's rise to greatness not in his skill or knowledge or knowledge of fundamentals, but, I quote loosely, "he jumped high and stayed on air and no one ever seen that before".

The bitterness was painful to listen to. Zeke is an great basketball mind who can eloquently express himself, and it's a pleasure to watch him on these shows, but whenever the topic gets to Jordan, he automatically becomes bitter and dismissive.

To the point made on the clip, he ignores the fact that LBJ is an athlete with the most controlled and groomed corporate identities in the age of ubiquitous social media. And if he looked more closely at LBJ's off the court adventures, he'd cringe so hard. Whenever the idea of Lebron's superteam is brought up, he is quick to point out that MJ was part of the superteam himself, but he would just as quickly also dismiss Pippen (who he also has a beef with) as a superstar.

Zeke seems willing to lie or ignore the facts just so he can undermine Jordan's greatness.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
February 04 2018 14:01 GMT
#2022
Pistol Pete would adopt. How about Bob Cousy or all the other pgs? As long as they level with the present technological and training advantages, I think they'd do well. It's the centers I think that would be less flexible.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 15:43:19
February 04 2018 15:41 GMT
#2023
On February 04 2018 17:52 Twinkle Toes wrote:
IT stats with the Cavs so far:

Ball dominant
USG% : 30.9
FGA : 18.1
3PA : 8.2
2PA : 10.0

(For comparison, here's the numbers of other ball dominant players [USG/FGA/3PA/2PA]:
LBJ : 30.9 / FGA 24.8 / 6.4 / 18.3
Harden : 35.7 / 20.9 / 10.5 / 10.3
Westbrook 34.9 / 21.5 / 4.4 / 17.1)

Inefficient scorer
FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P%
6.6 18.1 .363 2.0 8.2 .250 4.5 10.0 .455

(For comparison, safe-to-say efficient scorers [same categories]
LBJ : 9.9 18.2 .545 1.7 4.7 .350 8.2 13.4 .614
Harden : 20.9 .451 4.1 10.5 .387 5.3 10.3 .516
Durant : 9.5 18.7 .510 2.7 6.4 .419 6.9 12.3 .557)


Which do you think is true - his CAREER stats or this recent play after being out for 7 months? Please, enlighten me.


and lol @ "safe to say efficient scorers". If you want to even get in the ball park of a comparison just compare his efg%/TS% to league average. Jeez.

Then if you want to get a better rating you can debate the merits of using USG% to group guys. Either way just posting some numbers that don't explain anything is useless.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
February 04 2018 15:44 GMT
#2024
On February 04 2018 14:36 Jerubaal wrote:
How do you guys think Pistol Pete would do in the modern NBA?


He'd get killed. Just about anyone before the very late 70s would get destroyed in the modern league.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 16:14:45
February 04 2018 16:04 GMT
#2025
On February 04 2018 17:52 Twinkle Toes wrote:
IT stats with the Cavs so far:

absurd to use IT's last 13 games coming off a major injury with no training camp in order to characterize his play type.

On February 04 2018 22:57 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Zeke seems willing to lie or ignore the facts just so he can undermine Jordan's greatness.

Thomas lies a lot about a lot of stuff and has been doing so for decades.

He claimed people in Toronto had no way to watch basketball before he arrived. ok man.
the US audience that hasn't got a clue just gobbles it up.

he did plenty of shade crap here and Allan Slaight fired the "shot gun clause" and rode Thomas' lyin' ass outta town.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
February 04 2018 16:13 GMT
#2026
On February 05 2018 00:41 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2018 17:52 Twinkle Toes wrote:
IT stats with the Cavs so far:

Ball dominant
USG% : 30.9
FGA : 18.1
3PA : 8.2
2PA : 10.0

(For comparison, here's the numbers of other ball dominant players [USG/FGA/3PA/2PA]:
LBJ : 30.9 / FGA 24.8 / 6.4 / 18.3
Harden : 35.7 / 20.9 / 10.5 / 10.3
Westbrook 34.9 / 21.5 / 4.4 / 17.1)

Inefficient scorer
FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P%
6.6 18.1 .363 2.0 8.2 .250 4.5 10.0 .455

(For comparison, safe-to-say efficient scorers [same categories]
LBJ : 9.9 18.2 .545 1.7 4.7 .350 8.2 13.4 .614
Harden : 20.9 .451 4.1 10.5 .387 5.3 10.3 .516
Durant : 9.5 18.7 .510 2.7 6.4 .419 6.9 12.3 .557)


Which do you think is true - his CAREER stats or this recent play after being out for 7 months? Please, enlighten me.


and lol @ "safe to say efficient scorers". If you want to even get in the ball park of a comparison just compare his efg%/TS% to league average. Jeez.

Then if you want to get a better rating you can debate the merits of using USG% to group guys. Either way just posting some numbers that don't explain anything is useless.

lol, did you miiss the entire context of my IT post was only on his stint with the Cavs? And if FG% and scoring volume does not explain to efficiency to you, then you know nothing about numbers at all.
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
February 04 2018 16:14 GMT
#2027
JJ, I'm not interested in what you want to say, don't reply to me.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 16:17:38
February 04 2018 16:15 GMT
#2028
the context is the general comment that IT is an inefficient scorer.
On February 05 2018 01:14 Twinkle Toes wrote:
JJ, I'm not interested in what you want to say, don't reply to me.

my replies are for public consumption. Especially the Isiah Thomas stuff.
you probably don't know who allan slaight is or how the ownership deal between bitove/thomas & slaight worked.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
February 04 2018 16:16 GMT
#2029
lol
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 16:26:03
February 04 2018 16:21 GMT
#2030
basketball in Toronto before Isiah Thomas arrived... off the top of my head...

Buffalo Braves home games played in Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto.

NCAA March Madness is the #1 sports topic in Toronto in the 70s and 80s because the Blue Jays season has not started and the Leafs sucked balls.

Toronto had cable TV before most households in New York state did and so Toronto got all the New York channels for DECADES before the Raptors were born.

All Buffalo Sabres/Bills home games have 20%+ Canadian fans. Bills and Sabres have several "canada day" events. I highly suspect the Buffalo Braves had the same situation.

So when Isiah Thomas claims he "built" basketball in Canada/Toronto from nothing.. he is 100% full of shit. There was a massive fan base sitting here waiting for him just like there was for the Toronto Blue Jays. The economy was absolutely fucking booming when the Raptors arrived. unemployment was at all time lows that have never been matched

Making Basketball succeed in Toronto was like shooting fish in barrel.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
February 04 2018 16:21 GMT
#2031
LOL indeed. You dodged JimmiC with the Wiggins argument with nothing but simpleton 1 liners. You're doing the same here. I gave you facts and you have nothing.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 16:25:29
February 04 2018 16:23 GMT
#2032
On February 05 2018 01:21 Twinkle Toes wrote:
LOL indeed. You dodged JimmiC with the Wiggins argument with nothing but simpleton 1 liners. You're doing the same here. I gave you facts and you have nothing.

you just said you don't want me to reply.. then u reply to me. whatever man. i made my point.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 16:32:03
February 04 2018 16:31 GMT
#2033
Damn JJ is seriously not well or too self-absorbed. Why would I want to talk to him? It was for Ace and his debate with JimmiC on Wiggins as below average.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 16:51:20
February 04 2018 16:37 GMT
#2034
On February 05 2018 01:31 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Damn JJ is seriously not well or too self-absorbed. Why would I want to talk to him? It was for Ace and his debate with JimmiC on Wiggins as below average.

if you don't want replies from me stop addressing me.

back to basketball.. here are the "Total Points Added" leaders.
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Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 04 2018 17:01 GMT
#2035
--- Nuked ---
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
February 04 2018 17:06 GMT
#2036
Chess and pigeons.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 17:15:22
February 04 2018 17:11 GMT
#2037
meh, people barely even know/knew Thomas was in Toronto, and they definitely don't care about what he says of it now.

And IT's problem isn't necessarily his offense within the team but their defense in general. Up until earlier this week,
IT on-- 103.1 oRTG, 118.2 dRTG
IT off-- 110.9 oRTG, 108.6 dRTG

I can see their offense getting better as they integrate more, but their defense is still atrocious.

edit:ratings from the 31st

"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
February 04 2018 17:12 GMT
#2038
Well, he has this penchant for butting in conversations and post stuff "no one cares about" (Jerubaal, iirc). So either way, we lose because he will make it about himself while not really engaging in a discussion like normal healthy people would. I just find him laughably funny now, so all is good in the hood.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
February 04 2018 17:32 GMT
#2039
Trade rumors: DJ to Portland
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 17:41:08
February 04 2018 17:36 GMT
#2040
On February 05 2018 02:11 MassHysteria wrote:
meh, people barely even know/knew Thomas was in Toronto, and they definitely don't care about what he says of it now.

great,
that hasn't stopped THomas from continually spreading BS for decades about what he did in TO.
and it makes me wonder what else he is BS-ing about.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
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