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zeo
Serbia6284 Posts
On September 28 2016 05:16 Mafe wrote: On the upside Leicester are making a serious argument for the premier league that even I cannot ignore. What happens when Leicester wins the Champions League? What does it mean? :O | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28672 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On September 28 2016 01:24 mahrgell wrote: But isn't this an upgrade from consistingly failing? When only "winning a title" is considered achieving, but the team fails as soon as they reach any knockout rounds... Hey... maybe settle for some more reasonable goal, like reaching semis or something. Top4 in Europe (or the World) would be a great achievement. But they are so far from it, and still dream about being #1. Not a good enough upgrade, especially when Sam doesn't have a great track record with that style. He made bad teams decent, never good. I think with the position England is in, they can't fall any lower. It's a good time to experiment and be more positive in their style. Otherwise they will forever be stuck in mediocrity. Anyway this incident shows the ugly side of the media. Cresting drama out of nothing. Journalism these days lol. They'd justify it because they think they did social good by exposing the character of Sam. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On the bright side I never liked the idea of him being the next England's manager. The team doesn't need another old twat who's near retirement and just takes the job for good pay and reputation. These guys generally do not want to take risk and always result in the teams playing the exact same boring ineffective football that's been around since forever. Get Pochettino and dump that English pride down the can because the facts are English managers suck these days. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
Son wanted to go to Wolfsburg and now he scores loads of goals for Spurs, Hecking will be fuming. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13953 Posts
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18413 Posts
On September 28 2016 08:33 DucK- wrote: Not a good enough upgrade, especially when Sam doesn't have a great track record with that style. He made bad teams decent, never good. I think with the position England is in, they can't fall any lower. It's a good time to experiment and be more positive in their style. Otherwise they will forever be stuck in mediocrity. Anyway this incident shows the ugly side of the media. Cresting drama out of nothing. Journalism these days lol. They'd justify it because they think they did social good by exposing the character of Sam. Actually this shows the good sides of media. They actually managed to prove shady dealings behind the scene. This is actually the media was created for. To show us things the higher ups dont want to show us. If this were drama out of nothing then nothing would have resulted from this project. Telegraph only had a story because there was a story to be discovered. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 28 2016 14:31 sharkie wrote: Actually this shows the good sides of media. They actually managed to prove shady dealings behind the scene. This is actually the media was created for. To show us things the higher ups dont want to show us. If this were drama out of nothing then nothing would have resulted from this project. Telegraph only had a story because there was a story to be discovered. Its still entrapment to bait out someones tendencies like that. Its not the medias job to perform sting operations. Thats taking it too far and its not investigative journalism when you create the senario. Thats not reporting either. A journalist reports news, this is creating news. Every insitution has a role to play. When you start infringing on other roles then there is no end to it. Again they didnt prove shady deals. They created a shady deal and then played a gotcha. The justification may be a social good but the means to the end are despicable at best. Plebs with narrow minds like Sharkie will cheer for them but this a line that should not be crossed. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18413 Posts
On September 28 2016 14:37 Rebs wrote: Its still entrapment to bait out someones tendencies like that. Its not the medias job to perform sting operations. Thats taking it too far and its not investigative journalism when you create the senario. Thats not reporting either. A journalist reports news, this is creating news. Every insitution has a role to play. When you start infringing on other roles then there is no end to it. Again they didnt prove shady deals. They created a shady deal and then played a gotcha. The justification may be a social good but the means to the end are despicable at best. Plebs with narrow minds like Sharkie will cheer for them but this a line that should not be crossed. How did they create news? If someone would come to me with the same offer I'd decline it. Or do you think Sam is the only manager who would do something like this? Or wait, you actually believe businesses don't do what the Telegraph falsely offered? Yeah people like you rather stay ignorant and let people do whatever they want behind the curtain. Because what you don't know won't hurt you, right? Guess what, the world can't go on like this forever. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
On September 28 2016 09:59 Sermokala wrote: I'm american and have no idea what happened to englands manager can someone real quick tell me what happened? One of our glorious national newspapers decided to try a "string" operation with a bunch of "high profile" premier league managers. Our friend Big Sam the England manager was the only one to "fall" for the set up and went along to meet the people who were asking for information on how to get around 3rd party ownership rules. Third party ownership rules of players is banned in England now where no one can own a players rights aka agent's or whatever. Sam told the paper how to get around it and was recorded on video, however he didn't really tell them anything special and that wasn't in the end the reason he was sacked. In this same "sting" operation he mocked Roy Hodgson the ex England manager's speech impediment and Gary Neville. He then said the FA was only a profit organisation and some other crap. Those last two things were the reason he got sacked, mainly saying the FA was a profit organisation as they hate things like that. Thus now England could have lost their greatest ever manager..all because our stupid press want to sell a few sheets of paper. Now England get the glorious Gareth Southgate until the end of the year, the same man who took the greatest U21 squad we ever had and made them finish last in their group, oh how good. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On September 28 2016 13:22 TheNewEra wrote: Clattenburg with the awful refereeing. Not one of his good days Can't believe I am saying this, but his was the worst English CL performance last night. How that blatant handball did not get called is beyond me. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
I am going to ignore the Sam Allardyce situation as even though I don't like the way the newspaper acted (It's like a superman plot, creating your own news to sell papers) I wasn't entirely keen on the idea of him as England manager anyway. But that's not really the story. Leicester city had a great atmosphere at the King Power last night and kept cool and composed heads to impresively win a game against a genuine European power (be it slightly diminished). They should from this position get out of their group and though it's quite an easy group it's still an impressive feat. I haven't watched the Spurs in Moscow game yet. I might if I have nothing to do tomorrow evening. But that was a much needed win. That's a tough group they have got on their hands, the draw in the other game is a pretty good result for them. Is Leverkusen vs Monaco worth watching by the way? Burnley's Monday night win is cruical points on the board for them. West Ham have been displaying the worst defending ever seen in the Premier League for the opening few games of the season. But to be honest it shouldn't be too hard to shore it up and they have the talent up front to score goals. I don't see them getting relegated unless they decide not to fix their defence. I am picking Sunderland to go down. That come back win by Palace must be crushing for them. Sunderland have been circling the drain for many seasons now and things aren't changing. They can't just keep pulling miracles out of the bag every season. They will join Newcastle in The Championship at some point. I don't pick Newcastle to come straight back up either. Speaking of The Championship Huddersfield Town are top right now. I would say it would be crazy to see them in the Premier League but Bournemouth and Burnley are already here. Small teams doing big things. Man City go to White Heart Lane for 1st vs 2nd on Saturday. That game will be super hype. But I am glad I am not in Korea right now, their media must have literally exploded with Son Heungmin's recent sucess. They used to go so over the top and act like which ever Korean scored a goal was the best player in the world. But Son is actually putting them away at Spurs right now and I don't think the small peninsula can possible take much more hype. It will explode. Also can we officially stop carrying about UEFA coefficients if they are going to implement the stupid changes. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 28 2016 14:45 sharkie wrote: How did they create news? If someone would come to me with the same offer I'd decline it. Or do you think Sam is the only manager who would do something like this? Or wait, you actually believe businesses don't do what the Telegraph falsely offered? Yeah people like you rather stay ignorant and let people do whatever they want behind the curtain. Because what you don't know won't hurt you, right? Guess what, the world can't go on like this forever. This is despot logic, its not the newspapers job to do this, its the polices job. Hiding behind the idea that you are catching criminals is the logic of vigilante justice. If the newspaper thinks there is reason to be suspicious then have the police look into it. Again there is no evidence to suggest that had he not been offered anything that he would have done something. Its like one step behind turning it into minority report. You're "fuck these corrupt catch them anyway you can thinking is base and flawed and the kind of populist thinking that the world is fucked by right now." You are correct the world cant go on like that. Bottom line is, its not the newspapers job. Whats to stop the newspaper next time from tapping peoples houses or phone lines just in the name of catching the bad guys? Its unethical, its classic entrapment for a newspaper to do this and its not journalism. Its police work, infact its not even police work because they had no evidence, they just shot a bunch of darts and someone bit. Do you see how there is no legal action against Sam for this ? Exactly. What the newspaper did will fix nothing, it will affect nothing, the activity that you are oh so desperate to stop will keep on flowing smoothly. So really what his this done except make the real criminals more vigilant? Sometimes its shocking to me how childlike your thinking is. Thats all I have to say on this, Sam has to go obviously thats agiven but theres a reason none of the journalists involved are being covered in glory by their peers or the public. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
I agree totally that it's not the role of journalist to investigate by breaking laws or basically entrapment. Leading people to commit crimes or say and do things they wouldn't have done if the journalists hadn't made it happen. It's total bollocks and I'm pretty sure the police are banned from doing it. So it's certainly not OK for journalists to do it. A side note is I had no I adea Sam made that kind of money, 3million quid a year, jesus. That makes me feel slightly less sorry for him. SLightly crazy to go chasing more money when he's got that in the bag. Maybe ENgland managers should be on some kind of performance based pay scale. You win the world cup you can have 3 million. You lose to Iceland we will give you a sausage roll and a taxi home. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 28 2016 23:03 Greg_J wrote: I am not sure if you are aware Rebs but the hacking of private phones by newspapers in order to try and catch 'stories' actualy happended in the UK and is the prime cause of the shut down of the "News of the World' newspaper. It caused a lot of public outrage and possibly one of the main reasons there is such negatve feeling aginst journalism of this type in the UK. The thing that caused the most outrage was that the mother of murdered Sarah Payne was convinced her daughter was still alive because she noticed the voice mail message she had left had been marked as recieved. But it had been hacked into by a journalist and of course the poor girl was dead. I agree totally that it's not the role of journalist to investigate by breaking laws or basically entrapment. Leading people to commit crimes or say and do things they wouldn't have done if the journalists hadn't made it happen. It's total bollocks and I'm pretty sure the police are banned from doing it. So it's certainly not OK for journalists to do it. A side note is I had no I adea Sam made that kind of money, 3million quid a year, jesus. That makes me feel slightly less sorry for him. SLightly crazy to go chasing more money when he's got that in the bag. Maybe ENgland managers should be on some kind of performance based pay scale. You win the world cup you can have 3 million. You lose to Iceland we will give you a sausage roll and a taxi home. News of the World was piece of trash bullshit publication, it was not a newspaper. None of these red top publications are journalists as far as I am concerned. And yeah big Sam is getting what he deserved, I dont rate him anyway but thats besides the point. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 28 2016 23:35 Greg_J wrote: Right, you do know. It's not really football related but highly culturally relevant when discussing this kind of thing in the UK. It was a huge scandal in the UK but maybe not a big story oversea. I have no idea. I read quite a bit of British newspapers. Mostly the middle market ones, And I'm pretty current with them. Helps for perspective even if some of it is garbage. Thats kinda the case everywhere, also the footy gossip is a bit of a guilty pleasure. | ||
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