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InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
January 08 2016 07:55 GMT
#4641
On January 08 2016 15:29 Belha wrote:
People saying that Balon d'Or is a popularity contest have no idea about football or whatsoever (yes Fifa is a corruption center but the award normally have sense).
Messi and Cristiano are -by far- the best 2 players in the last 15 years; both will be remember among the best players ever.
Neuer had a couple of great seasons, same Ribery, Roben, Suarez, Iniesta (i LOVE that guy) or maybe others, all are amazing players.
But people is just getting badly used to the insane standards of both Messi and Ronaldo. Any of them, with a bellow their average level, is still way better than the rest. Example: Messi reached the 2014 World Cup in his lowest form of his whole career, and still managed to carry Argentina to the finals (him with Mascherano + Dimaria, but he was the key).


Your post makes no sense whatsoever. It's an annual vote that is supposed to reward the best player of THAT year, not the 10 years before that. You basically unknowingly make an argument FOR it being a popularity contest by saying this. They are the best players of our generation aka the most popular, that's why they should win every year regardless of their performance.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
January 08 2016 11:29 GMT
#4642
On January 08 2016 16:55 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 15:29 Belha wrote:
People saying that Balon d'Or is a popularity contest have no idea about football or whatsoever (yes Fifa is a corruption center but the award normally have sense).
Messi and Cristiano are -by far- the best 2 players in the last 15 years; both will be remember among the best players ever.
Neuer had a couple of great seasons, same Ribery, Roben, Suarez, Iniesta (i LOVE that guy) or maybe others, all are amazing players.
But people is just getting badly used to the insane standards of both Messi and Ronaldo. Any of them, with a bellow their average level, is still way better than the rest. Example: Messi reached the 2014 World Cup in his lowest form of his whole career, and still managed to carry Argentina to the finals (him with Mascherano + Dimaria, but he was the key).


Your post makes no sense whatsoever. It's an annual vote that is supposed to reward the best player of THAT year, not the 10 years before that. You basically unknowingly make an argument FOR it being a popularity contest by saying this. They are the best players of our generation aka the most popular, that's why they should win every year regardless of their performance.


Does it sounds reasonable when people cheering for the best players and they automatically becomes the most popular? It is pretty natural process in every aspect of human society
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
January 08 2016 13:41 GMT
#4643
On January 08 2016 20:29 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 16:55 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
On January 08 2016 15:29 Belha wrote:
People saying that Balon d'Or is a popularity contest have no idea about football or whatsoever (yes Fifa is a corruption center but the award normally have sense).
Messi and Cristiano are -by far- the best 2 players in the last 15 years; both will be remember among the best players ever.
Neuer had a couple of great seasons, same Ribery, Roben, Suarez, Iniesta (i LOVE that guy) or maybe others, all are amazing players.
But people is just getting badly used to the insane standards of both Messi and Ronaldo. Any of them, with a bellow their average level, is still way better than the rest. Example: Messi reached the 2014 World Cup in his lowest form of his whole career, and still managed to carry Argentina to the finals (him with Mascherano + Dimaria, but he was the key).


Your post makes no sense whatsoever. It's an annual vote that is supposed to reward the best player of THAT year, not the 10 years before that. You basically unknowingly make an argument FOR it being a popularity contest by saying this. They are the best players of our generation aka the most popular, that's why they should win every year regardless of their performance.


Does it sounds reasonable when people cheering for the best players and they automatically becomes the most popular? It is pretty natural process in every aspect of human society


You misunderstood me. Of course it's natural that the best players usually are the most popular. I also agree that Messi and Cristiano are the best two players of their generation. What I am saying is that since they are on average better than the rest and ergo more popular,people are overrating their annual performance whil undervalueing other players' performances.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
January 08 2016 13:49 GMT
#4644
Piqué retweeted a vid from tv in which you can hear espanyol fans chanting "die Milan" (his son) and "Shakira is a whore".

Also Suárez gets two games off from Copa because of his comments/attitude during the game. Two guys from Espanyol get one game off, surely they care a lot about it because it's the game after they got rekt 4-1.
Revolutionist fan
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
January 08 2016 14:05 GMT
#4645
On January 08 2016 22:41 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 20:29 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On January 08 2016 16:55 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
On January 08 2016 15:29 Belha wrote:
People saying that Balon d'Or is a popularity contest have no idea about football or whatsoever (yes Fifa is a corruption center but the award normally have sense).
Messi and Cristiano are -by far- the best 2 players in the last 15 years; both will be remember among the best players ever.
Neuer had a couple of great seasons, same Ribery, Roben, Suarez, Iniesta (i LOVE that guy) or maybe others, all are amazing players.
But people is just getting badly used to the insane standards of both Messi and Ronaldo. Any of them, with a bellow their average level, is still way better than the rest. Example: Messi reached the 2014 World Cup in his lowest form of his whole career, and still managed to carry Argentina to the finals (him with Mascherano + Dimaria, but he was the key).


Your post makes no sense whatsoever. It's an annual vote that is supposed to reward the best player of THAT year, not the 10 years before that. You basically unknowingly make an argument FOR it being a popularity contest by saying this. They are the best players of our generation aka the most popular, that's why they should win every year regardless of their performance.


Does it sounds reasonable when people cheering for the best players and they automatically becomes the most popular? It is pretty natural process in every aspect of human society


You misunderstood me. Of course it's natural that the best players usually are the most popular. I also agree that Messi and Cristiano are the best two players of their generation. What I am saying is that since they are on average better than the rest and ergo more popular,people are overrating their annual performance whil undervalueing other players' performances.


Okay, fair point, but since they both untouchable phenomenas in football they gonna be always #1 and #2 pretending the best nominees.
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2109 Posts
January 08 2016 14:05 GMT
#4646
UEFA Team of the year and not a single premier league player
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~~Yo man ! MBCGame HERO Fighting !! Holy check !
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
January 08 2016 14:40 GMT
#4647
Yaya calling it a pathetic incident that Aubameyang won Player of the Year. He won the Africa Cup of Nations and what happens on the continent should be worth way more than anything anywhere else.

Thank god he never won the award while failing to win that title with his team. I mean historically Gabon is a football world power compared to the ivory coast that never produced a single great player before Yaya.

I totally accept that he could've won and disappointment is alright but dismissing Aubas impact and his incredible 2015 stats is really poor for somebody who won the award countless times.
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
January 08 2016 15:02 GMT
#4648
On January 08 2016 22:49 Salteador Neo wrote:
Piqué retweeted a vid from tv in which you can hear espanyol fans chanting "die Milan" (his son) and "Shakira is a whore".

Also Suárez gets two games off from Copa because of his comments/attitude during the game. Two guys from Espanyol get one game off, surely they care a lot about it because it's the game after they got rekt 4-1.

I like this summary:

Diop - You're mother is a whore = red card + 1 game ban
Suarez - You're a waste of space = 2 game ban
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 08 2016 19:27 GMT
#4649


LAFC Official Crest unveiled:

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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 08 2016 20:50 GMT
#4650
https://streamable.com/lty8

Exeter 2-1 Liverpool

That is the second goal Bogdan showing he is not a good keeper
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
January 08 2016 21:08 GMT
#4651
better quality / angle

https://streamable.com/lftl
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
TerransHill
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany572 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 22:50:48
January 08 2016 22:48 GMT
#4652
On January 08 2016 23:05 Copymizer wrote:
UEFA Team of the year and not a single premier league player
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Too many Barca players imo. Sure they won the treble, but do Pique and Dani Alves need to be there? And did James have such a big impact?
I think Boateng deserves to be in there, he is such an awesome defender + playmaker combined. Deserves it probably more than Neuer. He is a great GK but he isn't really challanged alot. But which GK to pick instead?
Happy for Alaba, he is such a beast and still so young. Incredible guy for sure

On January 08 2016 23:40 smr wrote:
Yaya calling it a pathetic incident that Aubameyang won Player of the Year. He won the Africa Cup of Nations and what happens on the continent should be worth way more than anything anywhere else.


He is such an incredible dick. Didnt really picture him that way, what the hell did he think??


Respect my authoritah!!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 08 2016 23:15 GMT
#4653
Yeah only Messi and Neymar deserve to be in there from Barca. I agree wtf James do. It clearly a popularity contest anyway cuz of who gets in it.

Alaba Ramos Pogba Messi Neymar Ronaldo pretty much all i agree with
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
January 09 2016 00:33 GMT
#4654
On January 08 2016 22:49 Salteador Neo wrote:
Piqué retweeted a vid from tv in which you can hear espanyol fans chanting "die Milan" (his son) and "Shakira is a whore".

That isn't exactly uncommon in derbies. Remember the Atletico fans' chants about Ronaldo and Casillas/Arbeloa a couple years ago?
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
January 09 2016 02:38 GMT
#4655
Fucking Yes Exeter CIty!

I wish I hadn't quit my job and been threatened to have the police called on me just for filming myself reading my resignation to my boss who refused to sign it. Or I might have had the energy to get up at 05:00 KST to watch the game. I'm sure I would have woken everyone in the building up after the goals so perhaps it's a good thing I didn't watch.

Thanks for the GIF

Come on CIty. Anfields no fortress. It's a building site. Smash them away.
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-09 03:18:38
January 09 2016 03:14 GMT
#4656
On January 09 2016 08:15 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah only Messi and Neymar deserve to be in there from Barca. I agree wtf James do. It clearly a popularity contest anyway cuz of who gets in it.

Alaba Ramos Pogba Messi Neymar Ronaldo pretty much all i agree with

My team of the year would have almost only Barça players xD I might be biased...
Bravo - Marcelo Ramos Piqué Alves - Busquets Iniesta Pirlo - Messi Suarez Neymar

Bravo won everything, but I'm not sure about putting him there since he didn't participate to the CL. I think Piqué is really underestimated; I don't understand all the hate. When he's on top of his form, he's amazing. For Alves, if you don't put him who do you put? It's not like there has been a better right back this year. And he's been pretty good (not 2009-2011 Alves but still). Did Alaba actually play left back? I'd put Marcelo there, he progressed a lot these last 2 years.

Pogba wasn't as important as Pirlo for that CL run, and he hasn't been crazy good the first half of this new season; he's just a popularity pick like James. Busquets is far superior (at least for now). Messi + Suarez are a sure pick for me. Neymar sure looked good when Messi was injured, but enough to be superior to CR? I think so, for 2015, but not by much.
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-09 06:03:26
January 09 2016 05:35 GMT
#4657
On January 09 2016 08:15 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah only Messi and Neymar deserve to be in there from Barca. I agree wtf James do. It clearly a popularity contest anyway cuz of who gets in it.

Alaba Ramos Pogba Messi Neymar Ronaldo pretty much all i agree with

Really? Cmon!
Alves if by far the best offensive right back, easily. Watching him playing is quite a pleasure, even aganist the best teams in UCL. Exactly the same goes for Iniesta.
I quite agree with James being out of place.
Chicken gank op
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8943 Posts
January 09 2016 08:07 GMT
#4658
On January 09 2016 11:38 Greg_J wrote:
Fucking Yes Exeter CIty!

I wish I hadn't quit my job and been threatened to have the police called on me just for filming myself reading my resignation to my boss who refused to sign it. Or I might have had the energy to get up at 05:00 KST to watch the game. I'm sure I would have woken everyone in the building up after the goals so perhaps it's a good thing I didn't watch.

Thanks for the GIF

Come on CIty. Anfields no fortress. It's a building site. Smash them away.

im more interested in your story than the football match tbh
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2745 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-09 10:06:27
January 09 2016 10:04 GMT
#4659
I think Alves should not be in that list. He was terrible the first 4 months of the years, most people thought he was going to leave barcelona and he defended poor and crossed the ball worst. He played well two months around CL semifinal and final. Then he renewed the contract and he is decent now, but he still makes many mistakes.

I have doubts about Iniesta too, he has been awesome this season since September. But before summer he was very irregular and only played a few great matches.

I have the impression that the people who vote this list only watch Barcelona in the few CL matches but not in the regular competition "la liga".For example, I would prefer Busquets in that list before Iniesta or Alves, that list does not even has defensive midfield, lol.

Finally, Ramos is the biggest joke of all. This has been his worst year in Real Madrid and his state of form is so bad that most Madrid fans are saying that he should be in the bench and that Varane and Pepe should play right now.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18775 Posts
January 09 2016 10:07 GMT
#4660
On January 09 2016 19:04 haitike wrote:
I think Alves should not be in that list. He was terrible the first 4 months of the years, most people thought he was going to leave barcelona and he defended poor and crossed the ball worst. He played well two months around CL semifinal and final. Then he renewed the contract and he is decent now, but he still makes many mistakes.

I have doubts about Iniesta too, he has been awesome this season since September. But before summer he was very irregular and only played a few great matches.

I have the impression that the people who vote this list only watch Barcelona in the few CLmatches but not in the regular competition "la liga".For example, I would prefer Busquets in that list before Iniesta or Alves, that list does not even has defensive midfield, lol.

Finally, Ramos is the biggest joke of all. This has been his worst year in Real Madrid and his state of form is so bad that most Madrid fans are saying that he should be in the bench and that Varane and Pepe should play right now.


So what do you say to the Barcelona fans who claim to watch all Barca matches like Twisted, Salteador Neo and WillyWanker and also include Alves and Iniesta? ^^
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