On June 16 2015 11:28 Shellshock wrote:
I think it would be pretty funny if they pull it off
I mean it's not like people take All Star voting super serious right?

I find it hilarious if only because I hate that the game counts.

Shellshock

United States97276 Posts

June 16 2015 16:28 GMT

#62

Cardinals being investigated for hacking into Astros network to steal player personnel information

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/sports/baseball/st-louis-cardinals-hack-astros-fbi.html

edit: haha so they just tried all his old passwords from when the Astros GM worked with the cardinals to get in. Not as exciting "hacking"

JimmyJRaynor

Canada16971 Posts

June 16 2015 17:28 GMT

#63

On June 17 2015 01:28 Shellshock wrote:
Cardinals being investigated for hacking into Astros network to steal player personnel information

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/sports/baseball/st-louis-cardinals-hack-astros-fbi.html

wow, there is deflating footballs...
standing 2 inches outside the batter's box..
and then on a whole other level u have cheating that prompts the FBI and Justice Department into action.

AgentW

United States7725 Posts

June 16 2015 23:30 GMT

#64

Still pretty petty thing to do, even if it's hilarious that they just used his old passwords. Strange thing to do as well considering that everyone scouts everyone's guys nowadays.

Jaaaaasper

United States10225 Posts

June 16 2015 23:53 GMT

#65

The Cards just cheat the right way.

Aveng3r

United States2411 Posts

June 17 2015 02:46 GMT

#66

On June 17 2015 08:30 AgentW wrote:
Still pretty petty thing to do, even if it's hilarious that they just used his old passwords. Strange thing to do as well considering that everyone scouts everyone's guys nowadays.

Yeah that's what I didn't get like can't they just send scouts to the games? What secret information could they be trying to get?

AgentW

United States7725 Posts

June 17 2015 02:59 GMT

#67

On June 17 2015 11:46 Aveng3r wrote:

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Yeah that's what I didn't get like can't they just send scouts to the games? What secret information could they be trying to get?

Maybe trying to lowball them on an offer?

rebdomine

6040 Posts

June 17 2015 05:31 GMT

#68

On June 17 2015 11:46 Aveng3r wrote:

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Yeah that's what I didn't get like can't they just send scouts to the games? What secret information could they be trying to get?

I guess what they can get out of it is how the Astros assess their own guys? Helps them gauge better how much they would actually need to put on the table to snag whoever they might be looking at on the Astros.

Aveng3r

United States2411 Posts

June 17 2015 17:06 GMT

#69

I guess that makes sense, still the whole thing seems weird to me like have some faith in your own talent evaluation! You can figure out how another team values someone by asking them and then comparing your own assessment before making a trade offer.. haven't these guys ever played fantasy baseball??

JimmyJRaynor

Canada16971 Posts

June 17 2015 17:17 GMT

#70

access to medical records would give additional knowledge as well.

inside info on personnel problems.
often when a guy is doing stuff like Jon Jones has been doing the team knows.
borderline substance abuse issues etc.

teams never fully know about all a guys warts until they actually draft him and get him inside their organization.

the media likes to act like it knows everything about a baseball player. it does not.
some people buy into the media acting like they know it all.

From 1983 until he retired Cito Gaston was the flat out best at picking up pitchers tipping off their pitches of any on field management. Often Cito would have a pitcher pegged for 3+ years before they figured out Cito knew.

now that Paul Molitor is a manager and that Cito is gone ...guys like Molitor , and Winfield discuss this...Bobby Cox will talk about it... however throughout Cito's career this subject was strictly forbidden.

edit: Molitor himself , come to think of it. his drop in production in his late 20s and mysterious resurgence in his mid-30s can only be explained away by 1 thing ....his love affair with cocaine.

who is currently the best sign stealer in the MLB? we'll never know because the guy that is best at it does not want any one to know because he wants to keep on stealing signals. we'll find out 20+ years from now when everyone is retired and peddling their baseball biographies.

outside observation never tells the whole story. if u have a shot at full access to inside information it must be tempting to go after it.

Aveng3r

United States2411 Posts

June 17 2015 18:36 GMT

#71

You go on a lot of weird tangents

JimmyJRaynor

Canada16971 Posts

June 19 2015 18:13 GMT

#72

over all point is.. there is a lot going on beneath the surface a scout can never see.

i like to read old baseball biographies.
my all time favourite is "The Bronx Zoo" by Sparky Lyle.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Bronx-Zoo-Astonishing-Champion/dp/1572437154
this is where you learn the behind the scenes stuff that never got publicized.

60 million all-star votes cancelled... 390 million votes have been cast.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/bases-covered-60-million-all-star-votes-cancelled/

Shellshock

United States97276 Posts

June 19 2015 18:18 GMT

#73

lol I was wondering when they were going to start intervening on the all star vote

AgentW

United States7725 Posts

June 20 2015 02:04 GMT

#74

Word is that they've been cancelling them. Dunno if this will do anything.

SwARmZzz

Canada193 Posts

June 22 2015 01:28 GMT

#75

Geezus, what the hell happened to Robinson Cano....
Was hitting behind texeira and rodriguez that much of a difference for him or something...?
Hes making pujols/cabrera money but damn

rebdomine

6040 Posts

June 22 2015 01:52 GMT

#76

On June 22 2015 10:28 SwARmZzz wrote:
Geezus, what the hell happened to Robinson Cano....
Was hitting behind texeira and rodriguez that much of a difference for him or something...?
Hes making pujols/cabrera money but damn

http://razzball.com/robinson-cano-2015-fantasy-schmohawk/

This is a fantasy article but it goes into detail how people were probably expecting a little too much out of Cano coming into this year (due to his contract) when nothing in his stat profile shows that he would deliver big numbers.

JimmyJRaynor

Canada16971 Posts

June 22 2015 13:00 GMT

#77

Cano again?
here's the spiel

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sports/482317-major-league-baseball-2015?page=2#31

comparing Cano to Brett? what because they both won the batting title at 23? meh.

if i were in AAA and wanted to increase my salary by an order of magnitude and get into the majors i'd consider steroids to make it happen.

I'm not taking steroids and damaging my life after baseball if i signed a 10 year deal and am financially set for life.

Cano ain't the guy juicing in AAA to increase his salary in the future.. Cano is the guy on the 10 year deal.

JimmyJRaynor

Canada16971 Posts

June 22 2015 18:17 GMT

#78

Has anyone ever seen a worse way to break up a perfect game?

and it looks like Pete Rose also bet on baseball as a player. the real truth always comes out 30+ years later because too many people have too much to lose by people knowing the truth when it actually means something.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13114874/notebook-obtained-lines-shows-pete-rose-bet-baseball-player-1986