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On July 21 2015 04:57 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Müller is so valuable for bayern because he is iconic for the Club, he is as fc bayern, as it gets. Sell him and lose part of your identity(and anger your fans).
But does Pep value him that much? I'm just asking because reports in Portuguese media say that despite the talent, Pep does not see Muller as a perfect fit for his Bayern style.
Any talks about that in Germany media?
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On July 21 2015 04:00 Pandemona wrote:
It's not a better player, its the squad aspect and style. Muller plays everywhere "ok". He isn't the best RW or LW in the world. He isn't the best CAM in the world, he is far from the best striker in the world. But he can play in those positions and be top 5% player in the world.
Sell him €100million and buy the best ST/CAM/LW/RW in world is possible and have change lol. Im just saying, if Pep really wanted to change shit at Bayern that is the best way to go about it isn't it. This is Pep who values Mascherano as a great centre back and bemoans Bayern medical staff xD
I disagree with that. The best players already play at the best clubs and none of those Clubs have money issues so why would they sell their players? Its not only Messi/Ronaldo. Chelsea would never sell Hazard, Barca would never sell Suarez and Neymar, City wont sell Aguero etc. Unless the player really wants to leave but you cant count on that.
All the teams want to stay competitive and they usually cant get a similar replacement-
Its the same for Müller.
On July 21 2015 04:57 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Müller is so valuable for bayern because he is iconic for the Club, he is as fc bayern, as it gets. Sell him and lose part of your identity(and anger your fans).
also this of course. The fans would go mad if we'd also sell Müller after Schweini.
Müller is irreplaceable for us, even for 200 Mio € we wont let him go
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Fair enough, but like i said that was just my opinion and a €100million for Pep must be nice to think about replacing a few players with. Guess if it did happen shit goes down at Bayern xD
Chelsea about to sign Baba Rahman, he looks like he has potential right? Augsburg left back
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On July 21 2015 21:49 KobraKay wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 04:57 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Müller is so valuable for bayern because he is iconic for the Club, he is as fc bayern, as it gets. Sell him and lose part of your identity(and anger your fans). But does Pep value him that much? I'm just asking because reports in Portuguese media say that despite the talent, Pep does not see Muller as a perfect fit for his Bayern style. Any talks about that in Germany media?
that could be but in this matter i dont think pep has a say over rumenigge
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On July 21 2015 22:03 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 21:49 KobraKay wrote:On July 21 2015 04:57 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Müller is so valuable for bayern because he is iconic for the Club, he is as fc bayern, as it gets. Sell him and lose part of your identity(and anger your fans). But does Pep value him that much? I'm just asking because reports in Portuguese media say that despite the talent, Pep does not see Muller as a perfect fit for his Bayern style. Any talks about that in Germany media? that could be but in this matter i dont think pep has a say over rumenigge
Rummenigge is doing everything Pep wants... He is the exact opposite of what Hoeneß was
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On July 21 2015 22:15 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 22:03 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On July 21 2015 21:49 KobraKay wrote:On July 21 2015 04:57 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Müller is so valuable for bayern because he is iconic for the Club, he is as fc bayern, as it gets. Sell him and lose part of your identity(and anger your fans). But does Pep value him that much? I'm just asking because reports in Portuguese media say that despite the talent, Pep does not see Muller as a perfect fit for his Bayern style. Any talks about that in Germany media? that could be but in this matter i dont think pep has a say over rumenigge Rummenigge is doing everything Pep wants... He is the exact opposite of what Hoeneß was
Guardiola wanted to keep Kroos, it didn't happen.
Guardiola couldn't sell Müller if he wanted to, Müller is way too important for fans and sponsors.
btw Juventus want Draxler, but unfortunately they don't have the money to get him. Schalke know that they can get double the current offer from England next summer. If Draxler plays a good season for Schalke, that is.
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On July 21 2015 21:49 KobraKay wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 04:57 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Müller is so valuable for bayern because he is iconic for the Club, he is as fc bayern, as it gets. Sell him and lose part of your identity(and anger your fans). But does Pep value him that much? I'm just asking because reports in Portuguese media say that despite the talent, Pep does not see Muller as a perfect fit for his Bayern style. Any talks about that in Germany media?
It's true, he often substituted Müller despite him being one of the better players on the pitch. Müller was a little bit angry because of that but I think the media one more makes too big of an issue out of that.
On July 21 2015 21:59 Pandemona wrote:
Fair enough, but like i said that was just my opinion and a €100million for Pep must be nice to think about replacing a few players with. Guess if it did happen shit goes down at Bayern xD
Chelsea about to sign Baba Rahman, he looks like he has potential right? Augsburg left back
Yes but like I said, how is pep going to replace Müller when no club is willing to sell their best players? He would have to buy some promising younger players but there is only a slim chance that they deliver like Müller. All the players Tottenham bought for their Bale money havent been able to really replace him right?
about Baba: I didnt really follow him or Augsburg alot but there is a certain hype about him here in germany. Augsburg played an amazing season once again and got into Euro League despite having the second lowest Buget in germany and he played his part in it. So yes, I do think he alot of potential.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Bayern team without Muller;
------------Lewandowski
--Robben - Gotze - Ribery
----------Lahm--Vidal
Alaba - Boateng - Beneita - RB
----------------Neuer
That team is more than sick? Muller comes in and plays where? Not in that formation thats for sure he would have to play 4-3-3 and drop Gotze and play Muller as CAM.
€100million and that starting 11 is a good deal from an outsiders point of view xD
Could buy yourself a Verrati to replace Lahm eventually. Buy yourself another striker to help Lewandowski competition, someone like Cavani and still have change xD
Mullers position to me is, if Gotze isn't playing well, you pull him off and play Muller. If Lewandowski isn't scoring you bring Muller on for him/with him. Ribery/Robben injured, play Muller out wide.
But if all 11 players i list there are fit, Muller doesn't play?
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On July 21 2015 22:30 Pandemona wrote:
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--Robben - Gotze - Ribery
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But if all 11 players i list there are fit, Muller doesn't play?
That are some long odds.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Haha true XD
Guess that is why Muller is even more vital then. if you never have that first 11 you want playing, having the best utility player in the game is pretty indispensable. Also when he happens to be German makes him even better.
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Top teams need more than 11 great players, you gotta have at least 2 or 3 more in the bench in case anyone gets injured.
Müller for 100M would be a great sale if there's some other great player you wanna buy with the money. But as someone said, top teams aren't money starved and they won't sell their big names. So not selling is a good move. Even if Pep isn't crazy about him, Müller is a beast.
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For some reason the possibility of that starting eleven to be fit at the same time seems funny to me. Lahm is not a great DMF, he should stay as RB and Bayern put a good DMF (Gary Medel to Bayern :D)
I've never seen Hazard do anything remotely outstanding and people put him right behind Ronaldo and Messi. Is this just me not watching Chelsea games or is he massively overpriced/overrated?
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On July 21 2015 22:44 GoTuNk! wrote:
For some reason the possibility of that starting eleven to be fit at the same time seems funny to me. Lahm is not a great DMF, he should stay as RB and Bayern put a good DMF (Gary Medel to Bayern :D)
I've never seen Hazard do anything remotely outstanding and people put him right behind Ronaldo and Messi. Is this just me not watching Chelsea games or is he massively overpriced/overrated?
Need to watch more Chelsea games  but he needs to get more consistent (in terms of goals) to surpass the amazing category and start to TRY to reach legend status.
Edit: Regarding Muller, ok fair enough, that part does transpire in Portuguese media. On the other hand, for years there are talks about Muller going for RM. Media BS or does he want to play there (and away from Pep ^^)?
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On July 21 2015 22:30 Pandemona wrote:
Bayern team without Muller;
------------Lewandowski
--Robben - Gotze - Ribery
----------Lahm--Vidal
Alaba - Boateng - Beneita - RB
----------------Neuer
That team is more than sick? Muller comes in and plays where? Not in that formation thats for sure he would have to play 4-3-3 and drop Gotze and play Muller as CAM.
€100million and that starting 11 is a good deal from an outsiders point of view xD
Could buy yourself a Verrati to replace Lahm eventually. Buy yourself another striker to help Lewandowski competition, someone like Cavani and still have change xD
Mullers position to me is, if Gotze isn't playing well, you pull him off and play Muller. If Lewandowski isn't scoring you bring Muller on for him/with him. Ribery/Robben injured, play Muller out wide.
But if all 11 players i list there are fit, Muller doesn't play?
Müller is better than Götze in every way and has proved it many many times.
Götze is probably the most overrated German player of the past few years
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Muller is no CAM though? He is a behind the striker player that can support. He doesn't or i have not seen him have the vision that a Gotze posses, or even the ability to skip passed someone with some vast creativity.
Might just be me though, i don't watch Bundesliga week in week out, i only see them in champions league appearances. Also see Muller when the Germans win world cups xD
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On July 21 2015 22:52 Pandemona wrote:
Muller is no CAM though? He is a behind the striker player that can support. He doesn't or i have not seen him have the vision that a Gotze posses, or even the ability to skip passed someone with some vast creativity.
Might just be me though, i don't watch Bundesliga week in week out, i only see them in champions league appearances. Also see Muller when the Germans win world cups xD
CAM is probably his main position but as you stated he can play anywhere on the pitch. He has great vision and passing imo, better than Götzes as proven by his many assists. He is also faster than Götze and is more dangerous in front of goal.
He is way better than Götze.
Also you never know how Guardiola is going to play. Your formation is a standard 4-2-3-1 but he often plays with only one DM or 3 defenders. Also two strikers might be possible.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Indeed we shall see i guess, this season Pep has to deliver right? I mean another league title is a minimum but going further in the champions league is a must? Showing what we expect etc.
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There is no way Bayern is ever going to sell Müller. In a few years he might tell them that he wants to play a last year in England or something but no coach will ever be allowed to sell him. Compared to Götze he's better on every single imaginable position.
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On July 21 2015 23:13 Pandemona wrote:
Indeed we shall see i guess, this season Pep has to deliver right? I mean another league title is a minimum but going further in the champions league is a must? Showing what we expect etc.
Thats another thing. Bayern want to extend Peps contract no matter what. Pep however did refuse it so far. So it is very possible that this is going to be his last season. Another reason not to sell Müller.
I think the results wont matter that much since the board is very convinced about him. As long as they are not too bad of course, but I think it's hardly possible not to win the league considering our squad :D .
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Müller is 25 years old, has contract until 2019, is a future teamcaptain and can play every offensive position in almost every system. The chances that he goes are around zero.
On July 21 2015 22:30 Pandemona wrote:
Bayern team without Muller;
------------Lewandowski
--Robben - Gotze - Ribery
----------Lahm--Vidal
Alaba - Boateng - Beneita - RB
----------------Neuer
That team is more than sick? Muller comes in and plays where? Not in that formation thats for sure he would have to play 4-3-3 and drop Gotze and play Muller as CAM.
€100million and that starting 11 is a good deal from an outsiders point of view xD
Could buy yourself a Verrati to replace Lahm eventually. Buy yourself another striker to help Lewandowski competition, someone like Cavani and still have change xD
Mullers position to me is, if Gotze isn't playing well, you pull him off and play Muller. If Lewandowski isn't scoring you bring Muller on for him/with him. Ribery/Robben injured, play Muller out wide.
But if all 11 players i list there are fit, Muller doesn't play?
I dont see Götze ahead of Müller, they also dont play the same position.
Guardiola never every played 4-2-3-1. More likely are 4-1-4-1 or his prefered 3-5-2.
In an injury free situation i think it would look more like
--------------------------Lewandowski----------
------------Müller---------------------
--- Ribery(Costa)------------------------- Robben
--------Vidal(Alaba) ---Lahm(Alonso) - Thiago(Rafinha)
Boateng(Alaba) - Martinez - Benaita(Badstuber)
----------------Neuer-----------------------
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