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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-31 17:34:13
May 31 2014 17:33 GMT
#3061
You've very confrontational. No, that argument isn't logical, but considering that Miami is playing against far inferior competition, you would expect them to be trashing the competition to be the favorites. So I'm trying to figure out what the mitigating factor is that makes you think they are the better team. And Dallas was actually a good team. Atlanta and Brooklyn were both dumpster tier without their best player.

If I was SA, at least, I'd have reason for confidence going into the Finals, considering they are arguably better than last year. I don't know about OKC. Ibaka's health is questionable and it seems to be a bad matchup for them.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
May 31 2014 17:43 GMT
#3062
On June 01 2014 02:33 Jerubaal wrote:
but considering that Miami is playing against far inferior competition, you would expect them to be trashing the competition to be the favorites.


They didn't trash the competition in every single game, but they have clearly been LEAGUES above the rest of the East in these playoffs. Maybe they're still playing a bit with an on/off switch(Simmons seemed to think so through the completion of the BKN series), but when it's on(which it will be in the finals) they have run everyone out of the gym.

Indiana was the clear #2 team in the East, and a team that during this season(along with BKN) actually gave Miami some problems. They just got absolutely fucking dumpstered with the exception of that 0 defense game 1, and the anomaly that was game 5 with LeBrons completely unprecedented foul trouble(deserved or not, it's unheard of for him to get whistled like that).

I don't know that I'm going all the way to Miami being 4-1 finals favorites like 1 poster said, but I don't think the West winner is automatically clear favorites either. I think despite the East's weakness, Miami is so good that the finals are a tossup anyway.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
May 31 2014 17:55 GMT
#3063
I don't know how to respond to you because you're basically saying "when the evidence fits, it supports my argument, when it doesn't fit, it doesn't matter".
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 31 2014 18:14 GMT
#3064
If MIA was healthy they'd be the favorites to come out of the West anyway. Aside from their dominating RS record, only 2 teams I see giving them a 7 game series are the Spurs and Clippers. Every other team is just fodder.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
May 31 2014 18:19 GMT
#3065
Trade you healthy Birdman for healthy Parker.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-31 18:33:10
May 31 2014 18:31 GMT
#3066
I mean I wasn't suggesting Miami is done or anything. But they're clearly not as good as they were last season, and I have a hard time crediting anyone who thinks the team coming out of the West isn't improved over last year's spurs. Considering how fortunate they were to win (Parker injury + end game bounces going their way) that alone would have me lean to the West winner as the favorite.

It's entirely possible that there'll be fatigue issues or some matchup wonkiness (like say Lebron) that Miami is able to leverage and win the series (even comfortably), but I seriously don't see how anyone could watch these games and think Miami is better than either OKC or SA.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 31 2014 18:36 GMT
#3067
Miami is better than last year
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
May 31 2014 18:37 GMT
#3068
On June 01 2014 03:36 Ace wrote:
Miami is better than last year

Wat?
Wat?! In what universe?
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 31 2014 18:38 GMT
#3069
Wade is healthy
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
May 31 2014 18:44 GMT
#3070
And they don't have Mike Miller. And Battier appears to be basically done. And Ray Allen had his worst shooting season in a long time (ever?). And Lebron had the worst defensive season he's had since he learned to play defense. A healthy Wade is undeniably a huge deal, but I think the entire season made it pretty clear that this years Heat have much less margin for error than last year.*

*Believe a few of the players have even said as much, but don't remember where I saw that so grain of salt.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-31 19:05:59
May 31 2014 19:05 GMT
#3071
so what? Mike Miller was good in 1 out of every 4 games. Healthy Wade is way better than the guy they had last year.

Miami coasted reg season. Look at playoff numbers and minutes.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-31 19:47:37
May 31 2014 19:42 GMT
#3072
I agree with Ace (maybe not that they are better than last year but the rest, although its also true Battier has regressed).

But Miami is looking strong to win. As we get closer to the finals match-up and are able to get a better picture, I think they have the edge no matter who they get at this point.

To sum it up: LBJ's team would be the favorite in what is the final fourthree at this point.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
May 31 2014 20:12 GMT
#3073
We sure do spend a lot of time talking about things that don't make a difference.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-31 20:39:59
May 31 2014 20:35 GMT
#3074
On June 01 2014 03:31 Haiq343 wrote:
I mean I wasn't suggesting Miami is done or anything. But they're clearly not as good as they were last season, and I have a hard time crediting anyone who thinks the team coming out of the West isn't improved over last year's spurs. Considering how fortunate they were to win (Parker injury + end game bounces going their way) that alone would have me lean to the West winner as the favorite.

It's entirely possible that there'll be fatigue issues or some matchup wonkiness (like say Lebron) that Miami is able to leverage and win the series (even comfortably), but I seriously don't see how anyone could watch these games and think Miami is better than either OKC or SA.

Even if Miami isn't as good as last year objectively, I think it has a better chance versus the western conference opponent than it did heading into the series versus San Antonio last year. So it's relative. Regardless, I tend to agree with Ace that Wade being healthy and playing the way he is (he was impressive earlier on in the series versus Indiana before others stepped up) gives Miami a more substantial advantage than losing Miller or Battier being practically finished. Bosh has looked awesome. and we will see if he can conitnue that. You also can't overlook the fact that Miami's role players have stepped up when it mattered the most e.g. Cole, Birdman and Lewis, essentially replacing Miller and Battier. That's the benefit you get for having the best player in the world on your team. They follow his lead.

I think SA ultimately goes to the Finals after beating OKC in 7. We'll see. Obviously they are a formidable team but I just don't see LeBron and co. losing, no matter the opponent. Having played a grueling series can't help SA, either. That speaks to the absurdly high level of western conference teams.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
May 31 2014 20:35 GMT
#3075
On June 01 2014 05:12 Jerubaal wrote:
We sure do spend a lot of time talking about things that don't make a difference.

That's the fun of it! :D
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
May 31 2014 20:43 GMT
#3076
Speak for yourself lol.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
May 31 2014 21:10 GMT
#3077
I predict tonight's game will be closer than the others.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
May 31 2014 22:41 GMT
#3078
On June 01 2014 05:35 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 05:12 Jerubaal wrote:
We sure do spend a lot of time talking about things that don't make a difference.

That's the fun of it! :D

Indeed. Here's the quote about margins etc from Battier that I mentioned earlier.
Battier via Grantland:“The margin is slimmer now, no question,” Battier said. “We’re an unnervingly inconsistent team, and none of us know why. We’re talented, but we’re not that talented anymore where we can overcome that. Three years ago, we were a lot younger and springier.”

Again, I don't think Miami is a bad team. Just that the West has been so much better that whatever team wins the conference can stake a reasonable claim to being the best team, regardless of how they matchup vs Miami in the specifics.
On June 01 2014 06:10 Jerubaal wrote:
I predict tonight's game will be closer than the others.

Don't hurt yourself by reaching too far now.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
May 31 2014 22:55 GMT
#3079
On June 01 2014 06:10 Jerubaal wrote:
I predict tonight's game will be closer than the others.


15+ point blow out by OKC. i guess that's still closer tho lol
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
May 31 2014 23:16 GMT
#3080
What do you want from me Haiq?! I think it'll be a close game and if SA doesn't win tonight, they'll win on Monday. I think it's going to be tough for OKC to deal with the two adjustments SA made.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
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