EPTAlso, Perkins. That's all I have to say.
NBA Playoffs 2013-2014 - Page 127
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Also, Perkins. That's all I have to say. | ||
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seiferoth10
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Zorkmid
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On May 20 2014 12:24 Silentness wrote: RIP Thunder. They're getting murdered in game 1. They really didn't. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
I see potential solid role guys on OKC, but no one consistent enough. Caron Butler for OKC seems to be that guy, but he hasn't done anything consistent these playoffs[edited]. Sephalosha and Jackson need better minutes, they are too sporadic in their performances. I really like Ibaka when him and Durant play the 2 man game since Ibaka has good range off the pick and pop, but that's not an option right now. This is going to be rough for OKC unless these other guys have some impactful minutes. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On May 20 2014 10:01 RowdierBob wrote: Meh I think they'll be fine without ibaka. You're really good at this prediction thing aren't you. They just don't have an efficient 15ish ppg guy that can replace ibaka. Noone can make those jumpers at remotely the same rate, good luck spreading the floor when you've only got 2-3 capable shooters. Not to mention the gaping hole in the paint Ibaka leaves behind (Spurs scored what 60?). Collison is rubbish offensively. Caron is a defensive apocalypse. Don't even mention Fisher's miraculous shooting. Their personnel are just too 1 dimensional/bad outside of Durant/Westbrook and Reggie. If they want to score they give up more, if they want to defend their scoring goes to shit. Out in 5 like I said before, and this won't be the biggest blowout. Also if it was anyone else they deserve the benefit of the doubt, but Adams should get suspended for that eye gouge on Diaw. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
Ibaka's defence is overrated IMO. He's not bad but he's not the stud he's made out to be. Great shot blocker but struggles in a lot of other ways defensively. His RAPM numbers show he's a positive on that end but he's not close to the elite defenders in the league. The problem is not so much Ibaka missing but the Thunder's lack of depth. Collison is solid but he has been thrust into a tough spot having not played many minutes in recent times. I think once he gets a bit of timing back he'll be good for OKC. I think it's a bit premature to overreact after one game where the Spurs shot 57%. It is going to be a close series. | ||
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Ru ba
Serbia1812 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On May 20 2014 21:50 RowdierBob wrote: =D Ibaka's defence is overrated IMO. He's not bad but he's not the stud he's made out to be. Great shot blocker but struggles in a lot of other ways defensively. His RAPM numbers show he's a positive on that end but he's not close to the elite defenders in the league. The problem is not so much Ibaka missing but the Thunder's lack of depth. Collison is solid but he has been thrust into a tough spot having not played many minutes in recent times. I think once he gets a bit of timing back he'll be good for OKC. I think it's a bit premature to overreact after one game where the Spurs shot 57%. It is going to be a close series. Spurs will shoot that % all series if they get so many easy opportunities in the paint (66 pts...) Second shot blocker you've called overrated recently. So if Deandre and Ibaka aren't close to being elite paint/rim protectors in this league, who the hell is? I know blocks are a bit overrated but the shot altering/threat is huge. Spurs wouldn't have come close to 57% if Ibaka had played today, even if he'd got 0 blocks. I said it before the game too and maybe that was premature. After watching though it's glaringly apparent that they can't win this series without Ibaka. Fish isn't going to hit 4 3's again and he still had the worst +/- on their roster. Collison is solid defensively but doesn't have an offensive game to speak of (his first 2 attempts today were hilarious and OKC should pray he doesnt try any more 3's). Just looking at the starters there were only 2 guys that can actually score. They can't afford to defend the paint because they give up too much offence and to get that offence they're relying on geriatric perimeter defenders. The only way they make this a series is if Brooks completely outcoaches Pop (lol) or Durant goes supersaiyan (45+) for multiple games against a Spurs defence that doesn't have to worry about anyone besides him and WB. This won't be close. | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
On May 20 2014 22:19 zulu_nation8 wrote: I don't really get RPM, how is Fisher 3rd among all PGs in DRPM? Because he plays primarily against back-ups, gets hidden against the weakest player on the opposing team, and generally plays with strong shot blocking help and a general paint-packing strategy behind him. OKC misses Ibaka for the offensive spacing of his quite good jump shot, and for the very mobile contest&recover length he adds to their defense. He's not just a shot blocker (he used to be). He gives them another set of stupid long arms that teams have to pass over/around, and their defense clearly missed that extra bit of umph badly against SA. It's just 1 game that the home team won, so lets not break out the brooms quite yet. Let's see if OKC has any 'strategery' they can pull out for game 2 first. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On May 20 2014 22:34 Scarecrow wrote: Spurs will shoot that % all series if they get so many easy opportunities in the paint (66 pts...) Second shot blocker you've called overrated recently. So if Deandre and Ibaka aren't close to being elite paint/rim protectors in this league, who the hell is? I know blocks are a bit overrated but the shot altering/threat is huge. Spurs wouldn't have come close to 57% if Ibaka had played today, even if he'd got 0 blocks. I said it before the game too and maybe that was premature. After watching though it's glaringly apparent that they can't win this series without Ibaka. Fish isn't going to hit 4 3's again and he still had the worst +/- on their roster. Collison is solid defensively but doesn't have an offensive game to speak of (his first 2 attempts today were hilarious and OKC should pray he doesnt try any more 3's). Just looking at the starters there were only 2 guys that can actually score. They can't afford to defend the paint because they give up too much offence and to get that offence they're relying on geriatric perimeter defenders. The only way they make this a series is if Brooks completely outcoaches Pop (lol) or Durant goes supersaiyan (45+) for multiple games against a Spurs defence that doesn't have to worry about anyone besides him and WB. This won't be close. You can't base all this shit off one game though, cause if this playoffs have shown us anything shit changes from game to game. It doesn't take adjustments and shit into account, and if you can say Fish isn't going to hit 4 3's again then I can say the Spurs aren't going to score 60 points in the paint again. I do think the Spurs have the advantage with Ibaka out but you can't make an assumption about the rest of the series after 1 game, if you did then ATL would have advanced over Indiana and Washington would be in the eastern finals right now. | ||
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Akka
France291 Posts
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LuMiX
China5758 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
Blah blah blah, I don't think more people have said 'it's just one game' this whole playoffs. It seems that Ibaka's absence has caused a bunch of matchup problems for OKC. It's a problem when you can't go small because Boris Fucking Diaw is punishing you for it. | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
On May 21 2014 04:15 Jerubaal wrote: I think years of rooting for the Lakers has tricked you into thinking that Kobe can take over and lead you to a championship any given year. :p I think the defense on Durant this postseason has been pretty good. You can't stop him from getting his points, but you can stop him from busting your defensive scheme. Blah blah blah, I don't think more people have said 'it's just one game' this whole playoffs. It seems that Ibaka's absence has caused a bunch of matchup problems for OKC. It's a problem when you can't go small because Boris Fucking Diaw is punishing you for it. I mean of course they missed Ibaka badly. You take the Bosh, or Ginobili or D. West away from their teams now and all of the other contenders would be in a bad way too. SA is probably the worst team to miss a key defensive cog against as well because they will punish you for it. (Video above is amazing, ty for the share). A game one win at home by the higher seed isn't the end of the series. I want to see a lot more out of OKC and MIA in game 2, but you can't write them off after a single game. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
But you really think if Durant goes all alpha they can stop him? He can get his own no matter what, and if not, he will get other players to open up also once the defense starts trying to help on him. Durant just isn't alpha enough to be able to do this, but I am not putting it past him to discover it this series. Again, I think OKC is at a disadvantage, spec b/s SA is so experienced, but I am just saying that I would not be surprised if Durant ends up going ham and taking them on his back and neither should anyone else. It is hard b/c SA will be able to keep their composure, but there is only 2 players in the league who could singlehandedly do it and he is one. If Durant had WB's mental fortitude/alpha traits, I would be even less surprised, but he doesn't so it is hard to predict that he will. | ||
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