EPTNBA 2013-14 Season - Page 27
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seiferoth10
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 06 2013 04:06 Vindicare605 wrote: Tell me how you really feel about James Dolan Ace lol. That article was hilarious I was reading it earlier and just shaking my head at it. Also. highlights of James Harden from last night. Dolan is a dumb owner. Just like his predecessors. I like that he spends money on trying to win but you would think by now he would know going after high scorers for big $$ is a bad strategy. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On November 06 2013 07:39 Ace wrote: Dolan is a dumb owner. Just like his predecessors. I like that he spends money on trying to win but you would think by now he would know going after high scorers for big $$ is a bad strategy. I feel like there's an underlying commentary here, given the video.  | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 06 2013 07:41 DystopiaX wrote: At least he cares more about winning than just cashing in. I'd take a stupid owner who wants to win over a smart one who only cares about profit any day. OKC fans are crying right now. I dont know if you were here for all the arguments about the lock out years ago but not too many people are shocked about what they did to Harden. @Jibba: Well Harden is a highly efficient scorer and offensive weapon. His defense has always been bad and that's a debate if he's worth the max then (I think he is because of utility and rarity). The Knicks just look at raw points per game with no respect to efficiency and splurge. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
On November 06 2013 08:04 Ace wrote: OKC fans are crying right now. I dont know if you were here for all the arguments about the lock out years ago but not too many people are shocked about what they did to Harden. @Jibba: Well Harden is a highly efficient scorer and offensive weapon. His defense has always been bad and that's a debate if he's worth the max then (I think he is because of utility and rarity). The Knicks just look at raw points per game with no respect to efficiency and splurge. OKC's decision wasn't as black and white as hindsight had made it. People are forgetting OKC did make him an offer of $52/4 but Harden wanted 60 (max). The punitive nature of the lux tax meant Harden's contract would have cost them about $30mill per year (this is my rough recollection). That was a big call for OKC to make and at that price I guess they decided the money could be better spent elsewhere. I think it's a bit rough to say OKC's owners cheaped out. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On November 06 2013 04:06 Vindicare605 wrote: Tell me how you really feel about James Dolan Ace lol. That article was hilarious I was reading it earlier and just shaking my head at it. Also. highlights of James Harden from last night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIyiEc1741s&list=HL1383674698 This is seriously the worst defense I have ever seen. Makes me sick... | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On November 06 2013 07:41 DystopiaX wrote: At least he cares more about winning than just cashing in. I'd take a stupid owner who wants to win over a smart one who only cares about profit any day. As a Clipper fan, both options are better than Donald Sterling. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On November 06 2013 09:35 RowdierBob wrote: OKC's decision wasn't as black and white as hindsight had made it. People are forgetting OKC did make him an offer of $52/4 but Harden wanted 60 (max). The punitive nature of the lux tax meant Harden's contract would have cost them about $30mill per year (this is my rough recollection). That was a big call for OKC to make and at that price I guess they decided the money could be better spent elsewhere. I think it's a bit rough to say OKC's owners cheaped out. it's pretty clear they cheaped out, i would say harden is definitely worth that extra $30M...it's not like they actually invested in any free agents, just look at their current bench. the value of OKC is through the roof, not sure how the can justify losing harden for essentially lamb. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 06 2013 09:41 Doraemon wrote: it's pretty clear they cheaped out, i would say harden is definitely worth that extra $30M...it's not like they actually invested in any free agents, just look at their current bench. the value of OKC is through the roof, not sure how the can justify losing harden for essentially lamb. They have sold out their arena for the whole time they've been there, made the playoffs twice, and are one of the most popular teams in the league. They couldn't have paid the tax for a few years/JUST AMNESTIED PERKINS (easiest route) or at the very least kept him for the last year before trading him for essentially nothing? 1 good shot at the championship>Kevin Martin(1 year rental- could have been Harden)+Jeremy Lamb (doesn't look like he'll be much more than a bench player) Or looking even farther back, planned ahead and not chosen Ibaka? He's a good player but is overrated on defense and looks to be kinda stagnant on offense, I'd much rather sign Harden, since there are almost no good 2 guards anymore and is young and can learn better defense +get a cheaper defense- only role player. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
Harden was very good back then but was still a 6th man. I guess they didn't think he was worth the money given what they saw as his role in that team. At the end of the day it's business and owners have to decide on what gives them the best return for their money. As fans we sometimes have unrealistic expectations that owners should spend infinite money on winning. For every harden there's a Rudy Gay who can cripple your franchise. For the record, I think harden wad worth taking a risk on and they did ultimately cheap out. But I also understand why they did what they did. It wasn't like the maloofs or sarver gouging their team for profit. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 06 2013 09:35 RowdierBob wrote: OKC's decision wasn't as black and white as hindsight had made it. People are forgetting OKC did make him an offer of $52/4 but Harden wanted 60 (max). The punitive nature of the lux tax meant Harden's contract would have cost them about $30mill per year (this is my rough recollection). That was a big call for OKC to make and at that price I guess they decided the money could be better spent elsewhere. I think it's a bit rough to say OKC's owners cheaped out. They had 4 high value picks on lottery contracts for years, and moved from a high pop market in Seattle to OKC willingly. They cried poverty on an elite offensive SG and didn't even amnesty Perkins to keep him. They cheaped out. No other way to put it. They were making money hand over fist for ages. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 06 2013 10:24 RowdierBob wrote: Well I agree with you there: they should have signed harden over ibaka. Harden was very good back then but was still a 6th man. I guess they didn't think he was worth the money given what they saw as his role in that team. At the end of the day it's business and owners have to decide on what gives them the best return for their money. As fans we sometimes have unrealistic expectations that owners should spend infinite money on winning. For every harden there's a Rudy Gay who can cripple your franchise. For the record, I think harden wad worth taking a risk on and they did ultimately cheap out. But I also understand why they did what they did. It wasn't like the maloofs or sarver gouging their team for profit. It wouldn't even be that much money though. Like I said if they amnesty Perkins then the money (I think) works out, and look how much Perkins has done for them over the past couple seasons. It's not even repeater tax money. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
oh btw - Paul fucking George! | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16127 Posts
We open the game cold from behind the 3 and we instantly go down by 12. Dallas is just a much more balanced team with superior interior defense and scoring especially when we start Shaun Fucking Williams every goddamn game because of Mike D'Antoni's hard on for stretch 4s. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16127 Posts
On November 06 2013 11:20 RowdierBob wrote: Imagine MDA if he could get his hands on the dubs. David Lee would be playing around the perimeter and Bogut would never touch the ball? | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
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