EPTI was agreeing with you about not bothering, then saying how people (you =/= you, but people reading the facts) aren't objective.
But ya I wasn't talking about you, Just hurriedly posted that sorry
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
I was agreeing with you about not bothering, then saying how people (you =/= you, but people reading the facts) aren't objective. But ya I wasn't talking about you, Just hurriedly posted that sorry | ||
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TS-Rupbar
Sweden1089 Posts
This really saddens me. I do believe that Giroud has some exceptional potential, but other than RVP our only other world-class player is Sagna in my opinion. However, Arsenal has a young team and many of the players became better and better (Ramsey, Gibbs, Alex OC). Also, Wilshere will be coming back! The future is bright nonetheless : ) | ||
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Freaky[x]
Canada995 Posts
RVP has had the season of a lifetime and I hope he plays this season with arsenal whether he signs in the summer or not. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:24 Stimp wrote: Well well. It appears Van Persie has decided not to sign a new arsenal contract. Haha. People need to stop thinking fifa rankings account for how pretty a result is, and only looks at cold hard facts. No matter how much you don't like england, they are consistent. Just because people don't like the stats don't make them a joke. Consistent at what exactly? We made the Quarter Finals this time, we made the Ro16 at the World Cup, we didn't even qualify for Euro 2008. So how does finishing outside the top 32, top 16 and top 8 mean we're even in the top four in Europe nevermind in the World? Portugal managed Ro8 (Euro 08), Ro16 (WC), Ro4 (Euro 12) That is quite clearly better than England's record. Italy managed Ro8 (Euro 08), Ro32 (WC), Runner Up (Euro 12). Again that's clearly better than England. The rankings place far too weight on friendlies which are 100% meaningless in football at both club and international level. And I'm fucking English for God's sake so why you would say I "don't like England" I've no idea. | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
On July 05 2012 02:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Consistent at what exactly? We made the Quarter Finals this time, we made the Ro16 at the World Cup, we didn't even qualify for Euro 2008. So how does finishing outside the top 32, top 16 and top 8 mean we're even in the top four in Europe nevermind in the World? Portugal managed Ro8 (Euro 08), Ro16 (WC), Ro4 (Euro 12) That is quite clearly better than England's record. Italy managed Ro8 (Euro 08), Ro32 (WC), Runner Up (Euro 12). Again that's clearly better than England. The rankings place far too weight on friendlies which are 100% meaningless in football at both club and international level. And I'm fucking English for God's sake so why you would say I "don't like England" I've no idea. Don't feel like going into specific results. Italy lost/drew with some rather low ranked teams in 2010. Portugal BARELY qualified for the WC. France also. You are also dismissing all the qualifying games. Which is where England don't really get beat. I don't see how England can magically fluke number 4 of a system based on results. While they lose to top 10 teams, they beat teams they are supposed to beat. Unbeaten in qualifying wasn't it ? In the grand scheme of things, a loss in the wc to germany isn't going to dent their points as france/italy losing to minnows in the world cup. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On July 05 2012 02:46 Stimp wrote: Don't feel like going into specific results. Italy lost/drew with some rather low ranked teams in 2010. Portugal BARELY qualified for the WC. France also. You are also dismissing all the qualifying games. Which is where England don't really get beat. I don't see how England can magically fluke number 4 of a system based on results. While they lose to top 10 teams, they beat teams they are supposed to beat. Unbeaten in qualifying wasn't it ? In the grand scheme of things, a loss in the wc to germany isn't going to dent their points as france/italy losing to minnows in the world cup. Italy lost/drew to teams in friendlies which mean nothing. Most qualification games are played against really, really bad teams where winning should land you ever so slightly more than zero points. England's group contained Wales (shit), Montenegro (slightly better than shit), Bulgaria (shit) and Switzerland (poor) and yet we still managed to draw three games which is pathetic. Fifa Rankings are stupid, they don't work for the same reason TLPD is stupid (it isn't for BW but it doesn't work at all in Sc2) because all that matters in international football is how you place at major tournaments. No one gives a fuck about friendlies or qualifying (so long as you actually qualified) all that matters is how you finish in World Cup's, European Championships and Copa Americas. England are fourth because we won a bunch of meaningless friendlies against small nations and Spain. Portugal and Italy are low because they played like crap in those friendlies but when the real thing came around you better believe they were a hell of a lot better than England. The Fifa Rankings doesn't appreciate that no one cares whether you can beat Spain in a friendly because it's terrible. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6269 Posts
Rumour is that he will go to city, I hope not since city destroys so many careers.. I prefer him going to a different team but who Knows what'll come out of this. | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
Also, apparently Lúcio signed for Juventus. Sweet. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 05 2012 02:32 Freaky[x] wrote: actually wilshere is out for 10-12 weeks (misses the early part of the season) because he got a minor procedure done on his knee. RVP has had the season of a lifetime and I hope he plays this season with arsenal whether he signs in the summer or not. Not selling is absurd. He doesnt want to stay, there is no gaurantee of another similar performance next year with his head out of it. Running a risk that Arsenal might win something and convince him to stay vs getting money now. Id have the money now. You always keep hearing stuff like what was it ehh.. "The Cannon on the Crest is, was and always will be bigger than any player at the club." or something to that effect. Honestly I dont even know anymore what Arsenal can do to keep their teams together as legit contendors. | ||
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Freaky[x]
Canada995 Posts
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
boca vs corinthians in brazil + Show Spoiler + rojadirecta.me to find a stream | ||
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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
On July 05 2012 09:45 soujiro_ wrote: libertadores final about to start boca vs corinthians in brazil + Show Spoiler + rojadirecta.me to find a stream As a guy from Uruguay, who are you cheering for? | ||
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
Or does Wenger keep him and run the risk of him leaving for free next year? He could bank on the idea that a front three of him, Giroud and Podolski get Arsenal somewhere this year and with an improved season RvP could be convinced to stay - a year is a long, long time in football. But if he does go, i want him to go sooner rather than later with a clear road ahead re. signings, we can't have the same as last year after Cesc and Nasri left and it seemed like it just hadn't been planned for in any way. So, if he goes, what next for Arsenal? Do they replace RvP or try to get by with two unproven strikers, one he doesn't want to ever try and another two he doesn't want to use anymore? Or maybe Bendtner will get his chance back in the team. Should they use the money to reinforce elsewhere? Still waiting to see what happens with M'Vila, that seems to have fallen off the news. | ||
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Neelia
Germany599 Posts
On July 05 2012 10:52 Sanctimonius wrote: Really wonder how they will deal with RvP this year. Sell now and cash in on what was the best season of his life? The guy is 29 and unlikely to maintain his form, based on previous years, plus he is injury prone - is this past him or was he simply lucky this year? Or does Wenger keep him and run the risk of him leaving for free next year? He could bank on the idea that a front three of him, Giroud and Podolski get Arsenal somewhere this year and with an improved season RvP could be convinced to stay - a year is a long, long time in football. But if he does go, i want him to go sooner rather than later with a clear road ahead re. signings, we can't have the same as last year after Cesc and Nasri left and it seemed like it just hadn't been planned for in any way. I think with the timing of events (Wenger and Hill-Wood saying they don't want to sell him just a few days ago) and his statement (judging by the response from Arsenal I'd guess they were not informed in any way he'll publish something like that) he is trying to force his way out this summer. I think for the Club it'd have been a good idea to keep him another season and support Giroud and Podolski with settling in and getting used to the Premier League and have a proven striker to fall back on. (And buy a decent replacement next summer, if one of the two above doesn't acclimate well) But well, after his statement which imo showed a huge lack of respect for the club I think he has burned to many bridges to stay another year. :/ I just hope they can sell him to an club outside of EPL but well, Man City seems to be his next destination. ._. Pretty disappointed, not by the fact he wants to leave but about how he's approaching it. Edit: With RVP leaving it seems pretty likely that Theo Walcott is off too, will be interesting to see who/if more players will be brought in. | ||
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tekos44
France280 Posts
Best signing of the year for AFC if it happens, it will really change everything about their defence, confidence between GK and centre-backs is key and didn't exist last year He's not at all the likes of Nasri when it comes to behaviour. He was captain of the french team during the euro because he was one of the few reliable, thoughtful players we had On another topic, the 2 candidates we know of for the french team manager job are Deschamps and ... Zidane | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18604 Posts
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