EPTOn June 15 2010 00:59 Romance_us wrote:
You forgot to include the daunting health risks.
You forgot to include the daunting health risks.
and the fact that weed gets you high and is way awesomer than cigs
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samalie
Canada87 Posts
On June 15 2010 00:27 Subversive wrote: Ok, nice post and I agree with a lot of it. But I have major issues with the bolded parts. Because they read like something from an anti-smoking campaign leaflet. Smoking is a substance wrapped in paper that we burn. Other than that, you're way off. It does help reduce stress for a lot of people and not just because it is satisfying a craving. It does make some people's lives easier to manage - I've heard stories of people at the tops of their professions who recognise their addiction as a problem but are also acutely aware of the benefits they derive from nicotine. "It won't make your happy times happier". Hm... That's like saying alcohol has absolutely no effect on the brain or those areas that give us pleasure. If you're being philosophical, I can agree. Smoking will not make you happy. But no one has ever said it would (except perhaps for some terrible claims made by the pro-tobacco lobby or through advertising). However, smoking does give people pleasure. And it does help with concentration and focus. No one tries to make absurd claims that caffeine has no affect on the body and we shouldn't make the debate about smoking a moral debate when it clearly isn't. It's not "wrong" to smoke, any more than it's wrong to have a large coffee every morning. Anyway as I said, I liked your post and it's sentiments and I can agree with a lot of it. Cold turkey isn't a bad option. But it's not really easy either and many people find it impossible. Your success is fantastic but won't be applicable for everyone. Sadly we're all different. Sometimes it's not just a question of willpower. And, with all respect, anyone that is smoking telling you that smoking relives stress/etc are caught up in the addiction. Smoking has the illusion of stress relief, but the illusion is part of the addiction itself. Yes, smoking will make you believe you are less stressed, just like alcohol/weed/whatever drugs can make you feel happy...but the point of my post was this is a chemical illusion, not actuall happiness, or stress relief. If you want to discuss the stress relief aspect, there are a ton of factors involved in "smoking" that are just as stress relieving as the chemical itself. You're removing yourself from the situation (can't smoke inside @ work). You're taking deep breaths. And, psycologically, you are convincing yourself that this substance is making the stress go away. And, for the record, although I am a cold turkey quitter, I don't advocate against nicotine replacement therapy...but in the LONG term, if you want to be free from nicotine, you have to reach a point where you are fully abstaining from nicotine/tobacco. We are drug addicts, plain and simple, and ingesting our drug of choice will lead to relapse in most cases. In practice, there are some benefits to nicotine...its known to affect thought and memory, and may prove to be a treatment for Alzerhimer's (sp?) as probably the greatest potentials. But its also an extremely powerful neurotoxin that is shown to destroy cells in the standard grey-matter of brain tissue. I'm sorry if I sounded like a stupid government anti-tobacco message, but honestly, the greatest mental hurdle that I overcame to become smoke-free and nicotine-free was realizing that its just a stupid plant that I was burning for the illusion of feeling better...because even though it did make me feel better that instant, its a dopamine high and nothing more. If I wanted to be happy, to solve my stress, whatever...I had to find those answers in my life, not in some dead plant matter. Take, for example, the most stressful/tragic thing we can face...the death of a loved one. We might find a little bit of temporary releif at the bottom of a bottle, or in a bong, or in a pack of smokes. But at the end of it all, the loved one is still gone, and we're here left behind...and in the case of a really harsh addiction that tobacco is, now you're left behind with a monkey on your back that is probably the third hardest substance to break addiction to (#1 Heroin, #2 Meth) for most people. Shit, I backed into a portable sign 3 days into my quit...took a chunk out of my back bumper. I thought about smoking...I really did. Sure, it would have made the immediate stress go away for a bit, but in the end it wouldn't have made me not back into the sign, and it wouldn't have fixed my bumper. I'm not even saying smoking is wrong...if you want to smoke, fuck it, smoke. I'm not some holier than thou preaching asshole who thinks that I'm a minor god for throwing away my smokes...it took me 19 years of smoking to realize that I wanted to be free. I just wanted to give my own personal opinions on a quit smoking thread, advice that was key to my own success. If it helps you, great. If it doesn't...if you want to get off tobacco, I hope you find the path that works for you  | ||
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Roflhaxx
Korea (South)1244 Posts
On June 15 2010 01:01 travis wrote: and the fact that weed gets you high and is way awesomer than cigs With all due respect, it is not. It is illegal, expensive and cause psychical problems for the rest of your life...not awesome whatsoever. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On June 15 2010 01:36 Roflhaxx wrote: With all due respect, it is not. It is illegal, expensive and cause psychical problems for the rest of your life...not awesome whatsoever. Well I have been smoking weed multiple times daily for about 5 years and I would say I am mentally sharper and vastly superior physically to my peers. Not that I am claiming that it is in any way good for your health. Clearly inhaling hot smoke into your lungs is not good for you. But it doesn't have the chemicals of cigarettes, and you don't have to smoke nearly as much to maintain a high. Some of the top athletes in the world smoke weed recreationally. Some of them even do it regularly. No top athletes smoke cigs, like ever. Also, I really don't think weed is that expensive. But I guess that's just an opinion. It certainly isn't expensive compared to most(or all?) other drugs. And weed doesn't seem to cause mental problems, at least not for anyone I know. And I have known lots of people who smoke weed. I wouldn't discount the possibility, however. | ||
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Thrill
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On June 15 2010 01:38 travis wrote: Well I have been smoking weed multiple times daily for about 5 years and I would say I am mentally sharper and vastly superior physically to my peers. Not that I am claiming that it is in any way good for your health. Clearly inhaling hot smoke into your lungs is not good for you. But it doesn't have the chemicals of cigarettes, and you don't have to smoke nearly as much to maintain a high. Some of the top athletes in the world smoke weed recreationally. Some of them even do it regularly. No top athletes smoke cigs, like ever. Also, I really don't think weed is that expensive. But I guess that's just an opinion. It certainly isn't expensive compared to most(or all?) other drugs. And weed doesn't seem to cause mental problems, at least not for anyone I know. And I have known lots of people who smoke weed. I wouldn't discount the possibility, however. So why did you quit? Quitter. | ||
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Cain0
United Kingdom608 Posts
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
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Roflhaxx
Korea (South)1244 Posts
On June 15 2010 01:38 travis wrote: Aint gonna go fully in on the details here, but I have, I do know someone who was gotten problems with it. Well I have been smoking weed multiple times daily for about 5 years and I would say I am mentally sharper and vastly superior physically to my peers. Not that I am claiming that it is in any way good for your health. Clearly inhaling hot smoke into your lungs is not good for you. But it doesn't have the chemicals of cigarettes, and you don't have to smoke nearly as much to maintain a high. Some of the top athletes in the world smoke weed recreationally. Some of them even do it regularly. No top athletes smoke cigs, like ever. Also, I really don't think weed is that expensive. But I guess that's just an opinion. It certainly isn't expensive compared to most(or all?) other drugs. And weed doesn't seem to cause mental problems, at least not for anyone I know. And I have known lots of people who smoke weed. I wouldn't discount the possibility, however. | ||
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
On June 15 2010 01:38 travis wrote: Well I have been smoking weed multiple times daily for about 5 years and I would say I am mentally sharper and vastly superior physically to my peers. Not that I am claiming that it is in any way good for your health. Clearly inhaling hot smoke into your lungs is not good for you. But it doesn't have the chemicals of cigarettes, and you don't have to smoke nearly as much to maintain a high. Some of the top athletes in the world smoke weed recreationally. Some of them even do it regularly. No top athletes smoke cigs, like ever. Also, I really don't think weed is that expensive. But I guess that's just an opinion. It certainly isn't expensive compared to most(or all?) other drugs. And weed doesn't seem to cause mental problems, at least not for anyone I know. And I have known lots of people who smoke weed. I wouldn't discount the possibility, however. Pot is the least dangerous mind altering substance there is. It's not synthesized and is all natural and as he said a lot of prominent figures in sports and science smoke pot, or have tried it. I disagree with pot not being expensive, it goes for around $50-$70 per 3.5 grams (1/8 of an ounce) for the good stuff in pot dispensaries. If you smoke regularly like I do, I buy an eighth every week. So that's around $3000 per year on pot. Pot has side effects like everything, it isn't a magical herb that gives you everything and takes away nothing. Only thing I've noticed with pot is that it kills motivation, so I have to use pot as a "reward." Usually I'll smoke after going to the gym, or studying ect. | ||
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
On June 15 2010 01:36 Roflhaxx wrote: With all due respect, it is not. It is illegal, expensive and cause psychical problems for the rest of your life...not awesome whatsoever. oh and it's not illegal everywhere - I live in Los Angeles and if you have a magic card like I do, it's legal | ||
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shroomz
United Kingdom10 Posts
On June 15 2010 06:45 Miss_Cleo wrote: Pot is the least dangerous mind altering substance there is. It's not synthesized and is all natural and as he said a lot of prominent figures in sports and science smoke pot, or have tried it. I disagree with pot not being expensive, it goes for around $50-$70 per 3.5 grams (1/8 of an ounce) for the good stuff in pot dispensaries. If you smoke regularly like I do, I buy an eighth every week. So that's around $3000 per year on pot. Pot has side effects like everything, it isn't a magical herb that gives you everything and takes away nothing. Only thing I've noticed with pot is that it kills motivation, so I have to use pot as a "reward." Usually I'll smoke after going to the gym, or studying ect. Please don't make an argument appealing to nature. Cyanide is as natural as things get, no one tells you to eat cyanide because it's natural. Also, source on not dangerous? There was a very interesting study held here in the UK recently including LSD, cocaine, alcohol, tobacco and cannabis. That spliff isn't as harmless as you might think. On Topic, High five to all you guys who are staying off the cigarettes, it's harder than anyone who hasn't smoked gives credit for! | ||
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
On June 15 2010 08:02 shroomz wrote: Please don't make an argument appealing to nature. Cyanide is as natural as things get, no one tells you to eat cyanide because it's natural. Also, source on not dangerous? There was a very interesting study held here in the UK recently including LSD, cocaine, alcohol, tobacco and cannabis. That spliff isn't as harmless as you might think. On Topic, High five to all you guys who are staying off the cigarettes, it's harder than anyone who hasn't smoked gives credit for! I was on the subject of mind altering substances, not poison. And it is a valid argument - I'd rather ingest things that are naturally occurring than things that are made in labs and factories. And I didn't say pot wasn't dangerous, I said it was the least dangerous out of the mainstream drugs. Jesus you sound like an angry 17 year old who wasn't offered a joint in high school because nobody wanted to chill with you. And yeah, that spliff isn't harmless because it contains tobacco and joint paper, both of which can be avoided if you smoke it pure out of a clean piece. | ||
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souldout
United States2 Posts
if you are a geek like me, then in few days of ... "not-smoking" your shoulders and chest will be on fire  and ladies gonna love it ... haha.PS, still a smoker, lighting one up rite now. I started because of a GF, i'll wait till the next one that's worth the trouble to make me quit. | ||
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bdams19
United States1316 Posts
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DJhozy
Singapore34 Posts
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Rainmaker5
United States1027 Posts
On June 16 2010 06:59 DJhozy wrote: Smoking is more of a habit than an addiction. I only felt the physical withdrawal symptoms for 2 weeks after quitting. You really need to convince yourself that you do not need to smoke just to kill time or smoke after eating to complete a meal etc etc. It is as hard as telling yourself not to brush your teeth ever again but it is still possible. For serious. At some point smoking just wrapped itself into most parts of my life without me noticing and it just feels wrong to not smoke when I'm waiting for a bus or chilling in the middle of a class break or whatever. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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zergporn
Estonia156 Posts
 i insta perma quit regular cigs right after got my first e-cig device. 27.11.2009, probably best day in my whole life. finally free after 11 years of heavy addiction. | ||
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Skvid
Lithuania751 Posts
On June 23 2010 14:39 youngminii wrote: The hardest part of quitting is when you hang around friends that smoke. It's so hard not to smoke when they do Yea agreed. Its so annoying. Few days ago 3 of us outside and talked, 1 of my friends lit up a cig. I was a bit drunk which amplified the craving for a smoke and alcohol made it morally easier to ask for a smoke . Thankfully he knew i was quitting, so he said that this was his last cigarette, i knew he was lieing but that was just enough for me to come to my senses and avoid the "slip". I'll thank him for doing what he did next the time i see him. On June 15 2010 10:19 souldout wrote: I tell you what, do 20 push-ups every time you even think about smoking, anywhere you may be, bus, work, home, shower ... just drop and do 20 push-ups :D This tip was surprisingly helpful as well. It helped to deal with the craving, plus i know that quitters gain weight so i've been further motivated to exercise. So yea now i'm on my 16th day w/o smokes an\d i've been exercising for a week now, i wonder how long i can keep this up :S Results? I sleep better, wake up easier and my legs don't fall asleep when i put them on the table and lean back in my chair (i.e watching a movie on PC) | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
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