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If you guys actually read the interview, you would realize IdrA gave credit where due. He even admitted that KiwiKaki would be his toughest competition in his group. I really don't see what's wrong with what he said. It's true, the rest of ROOT really isn't that great, they just rely on cutsie play to win games without solid fundamentals. You don't have ANY ROOT players on the GSL World Allstars team, instead you see good, solid, European players and others from team FNATIC.
ROOT just has a fanbase. Having a personality doesn't mean you're good at the game. Drewbie, Catz, Destiny etc., honestly aren't that great in comparison to the top caliber foreign players we have. Even QXC is debatable with his 0-5 showing at IEM but the guy left to join FXO as well. It's true when KiwiKaki is the only solid player on the team. Don't get butthurt. :D
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Ct2299 The problem is a lot of the members of root have SICK fundamentals. I watch them play and practice on a semi regular basis if anything the players like Drewbie Catz and others suffer from consistency issues. They all have very good mechanics with good strategic insight into the game and all of them have in tough situations stepped up to the plate and defeated some of the top players around period.
So IdrA was pretty far off base if that's what he was referring to. It's up to them to show it but all of the ROOT guys have some pretty sick mechanics.
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"They all have very good mechanics with good strategic insight into the game and all of them have in tough situations stepped up to the plate and defeated some of the top players around period."
What have they won that was remotely important?
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Catz's banner is better than IdrA's
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On March 31 2011 12:50 drewbie.root wrote: it's a well known fact that idra hates people that he loses to, and he loses to root players quite a lot ;D
Haha, god i love Root! Catz and Drewbie are both ballers incarnate.
I am calling it now: IdrA before TSL: I am treating Crunchers as a walkover - loses to Cruncher IdrA before MLG: ROOT was comprised of a lot of mediocre players - loses to KiWiKaKi
Do we have any other examples of IdrA belitting his opponent before a match and then losing it?
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On March 31 2011 16:53 ct2299 wrote: If you guys actually read the interview, you would realize IdrA gave credit where due. He even admitted that KiwiKaki would be his toughest competition in his group. I really don't see what's wrong with what he said. It's true, the rest of ROOT really isn't that great, they just rely on cutsie play to win games without solid fundamentals. You don't have ANY ROOT players on the GSL World Allstars team, instead you see good, solid, European players and others from team FNATIC.
ROOT just has a fanbase. Having a personality doesn't mean you're good at the game. Drewbie, Catz, Destiny etc., honestly aren't that great in comparison to the top caliber foreign players we have. Even QXC is debatable with his 0-5 showing at IEM but the guy left to join FXO as well. It's true when KiwiKaki is the only solid player on the team. Don't get butthurt. :D
"What have they won that was remotely important?"
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=) fact is ROOT is BY FAR the most acomplished team in North America, as a team and individually as well, so get your facts straight before you post. for GSL Word Allstars there was a qualifier, where 3 people played and 2 qualified for our region (HuK and TT1) 3 ROOT members got invited to this qualifier tournament but declined because we'd rather go to MLG as a team, as North America is where our efforts are allocated. if you dont think people like drewbie minigun slush ddoro are solid acomplished players then idk where you live.
we had 4 out of the top 8 seeds at MLG last year and we have 3 ROOT players seeded for the top 6 at this upcoming MLG, and we'd have 1+ if qxc had not left. we had F-I-V-E out of the top 8 qualified for IEM NA.
We won both SGL AND SCL this season (the only 2 team leagues that have been arround aside from GCPL which we lost to Fnatic who ended up winning it), over Fnatic, EG vVv ONE NrG and every other NA team + some european teams like Esuba. we came 2nd in the MRI tournament beating Liquid, Mouz and Prime (that btw EG won, that's where their 2 wins come from). this is all recently, if we go back to earlier times, we won the TST tournament every single time we competed in it, and every NA team that was around played in it, (over 32 teams every time for about 8 times), we also won the Lickitung Team Tournament over Fnatic in the finals (i believe they beat EG in the semis if we didn't) If i were to list the accomplishments of my boys as individuals this post would be 2 pages long. so hopefully that's enough for you ![](/mirror/smilies/smile.gif)
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Lol, idras talk about memory, fo'real?
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he is an idra fanboy, they cannot be reasoned with, we clearly only won agaisnt EG all those times because of cheese and abuse
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On March 31 2011 17:36 drewbie.root wrote: he is an idra fanboy, they cannot be reasoned with, we clearly only won agaisnt EG all those times because of cheese and abuse
I'm looking forward to seeing you guys demolish IdrA at Dallas.
It was -you- after all, wasn't it, who said IdrA sucks and is only good because he practiced with the Koreans? Now that he's back in the states and only practicing w/ his EG teammates, you (and every other good player at Dallas) should roll over him.
It'll be satisfying to watch.
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On March 31 2011 17:25 DND_Enkil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 12:50 drewbie.root wrote: it's a well known fact that idra hates people that he loses to, and he loses to root players quite a lot ;D Haha, god i love Root! Catz and Drewbie are both ballers incarnate. I am calling it now: IdrA before TSL: I am treating Crunchers as a walkover - loses to Cruncher IdrA before MLG: ROOT was comprised of a lot of mediocre players - loses to KiWiKaKi Do we have any other examples of IdrA belitting his opponent before a match and then losing it?
Again, IdrA actually admitted to KiwiKaki being his toughest opponent in the group. I don't really see how he is belittling his opponent, he just said ROOT as a team isn't that great. That opinion just means he feels the overall SUM of the components are not strong. That does not mean he doesn't think there are strong individual pieces.
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ct2299 I think a lot of people will be pleased if you stop defending IdrA, I think everyone is well aware what he said and what it means.
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On March 31 2011 17:25 DND_Enkil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 12:50 drewbie.root wrote: it's a well known fact that idra hates people that he loses to, and he loses to root players quite a lot ;D Haha, god i love Root! Catz and Drewbie are both ballers incarnate. I am calling it now: IdrA before TSL: I am treating Crunchers as a walkover - loses to Cruncher IdrA before MLG: ROOT was comprised of a lot of mediocre players - loses to KiWiKaKi Do we have any other examples of IdrA belitting his opponent before a match and then losing it?
Why would IdrA have any reason to suspect Cruncher might not be a walkover? Do you think the the world championships, koreans didn't have the exact same feeling? Are they "assholes" now for thinking foreigners were not as good?
As for root, who besides kiwi plays on an even level?
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I don't agree with Idra's BM of other players, but what Catz/ROOT are doing is the exact same thing. They're obviously as egotistical as Idra if they have to come out and do this to try show how 'superior' they are to him. Just leave it and be big boys if you really want to come out the better player. Even so, as much as you all hate Idra he is a good player, better than all the players on ROOT. Once a ROOT player reaches Code S in the GSL I will say otherwise.
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On March 31 2011 15:03 Cha1R wrote: Whats with the random jab at ROOT? Kinda seems comes off as strange to me that they would include that in the interview.
Like Catz already stated, it's to garner hype so people will be interested to click the link and buy Kingston stuff. And Catz, you're a baller, and Root's one of the most beloved teams in NA, so don't let people make you think otherwise. As a follower of E-Sports I like the rivalry, although sometimes it can look very made-up, as in this case. And btw, PickleWeasel, what you're saying doesn't make much sense that someone must reach GSL Code S to be considered 'good'. Unlike in SC1, there isn't that much of a skillgap between GSL Code S and 'foreign' tournaments anymore. I think that NASL will prove that ever more. I don't think that IdrA is a bad player and I'm a fan of his playstyle and his persona, but if he hypes up some expectations beforehand like he did with Cruncher, he should follow it up with results, or else he's the laughing stock of SC2, like he's a bit at the moment. Catz just calls IdrA out on what he says in the best way possible, by pointing out results between IdrA's team and Root. I think these kind of rivalry's are a good thing, and make the matches themselve that more entertaining. I think everyone can agree that the one match they were looking forward for was between IdrA and Cruncher last weekend.
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There is a huge big gap between Koreans and foreigners. It's just plainly ignorant to think otherwise, there will be a few players who can play up to their level but a majority of them won't be able to. If Catz, drewbie, etc play bo5 or 7 showmatch against the top Koreans and win I'll say they're good. Until then, they will always be average.
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Looks like CatZ and ROOT in general is winning this thread : ) Of course noone can really win against IdrA fanboys though.
More on topic, good luck to everyone at Dallas.
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While I like ROOT, EG != Idra, and IIRC Idra has indeed lost to Drewbie in the GCPL, but other than that, have any ROOT players ever beaten him? Kiwi and QXC have been the best players on ROOT for sometime, and though in recent memory I can't think of any games Idra has played vs Kiwi, I do recall Strife playing Kiwi and winning in one of the GCPL ace matches I think. And QXC got crushed at the EG masters cup boss match and then bombing out of IEM.
So let's be honest, does anyone think any ROOT member other than Kiwi is a threat to Idra?
Catz, do you think you can beat him ZvZ in a bo3?
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On March 31 2011 18:16 PickleWeasel wrote: There is a huge big gap between Koreans and foreigners. It's just plainly ignorant to think otherwise, there will be a few players who can play up to their level but a majority of them won't be able to. If Catz, drewbie, etc play bo5 or 7 showmatch against the top Koreans and win I'll say they're good. Until then, they will always be average.
Well there isn't a HUGE gap between Koreans and Foreigners, I have to give foreigners that much.
There's just a HUGE HUGE HUGE gap between Koreans and North/Latin Americans lol.
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On March 31 2011 18:54 Ultramus wrote: While I like ROOT, EG != Idra, and IIRC Idra has indeed lost to Drewbie in the GCPL, but other than that, have any ROOT players ever beaten him? Kiwi and QXC have been the best players on ROOT for sometime, and though in recent memory I can't think of any games Idra has played vs Kiwi, I do recall Strife playing Kiwi and winning in one of the GCPL ace matches I think. And QXC got crushed at the EG masters cup boss match and then bombing out of IEM.
So let's be honest, does anyone think any ROOT member other than Kiwi is a threat to Idra?
Catz, do you think you can beat him ZvZ in a bo3?
Justin.tv invitational #2, Minigun knocked IdrA down to the loserbracket. Then IdrA lost to drewbie in the loserbracket. Both sets were BO3. Link to brackets.
KiWiKaKi beat IdrA in the most recent clanwar(Semifinals SGL) between EG and ROOT.
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I think there's 3-5 root guys/recently root guys in NASL, too.
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