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On September 17 2015 23:28 AsmodeusXI wrote:Sorry Req, I'm going to have to trump your trailer vid posting with this one. + Show Spoiler +I should write a blog post someday about how I feel about this series. Long story short: I love it, it's incredible, and this new one has me so hyped my brain might explode. I can even see the series tropes by this point and don't even care. It's beautiful and looks like a ton of fun. Plus Shoji Meguro is a goddamn genius as far as I'm concerned.
I never played any Persona games. I honestly don't even know what they're about.
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I thought people were waiting for KH 3, is 2.8 something new?
Also afaik they aren't stand-alone and are all just an incomplete part of a yet-to-end overarching story, right?
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On September 17 2015 23:39 Alaric wrote:
I thought people were waiting for KH 3, is 2.8 something new?
Also afaik they aren't stand-alone and are all just an incomplete part of a yet-to-end overarching story, right?
2.8 is another compilation game, much like 1.5 (which had Kingdom Hearts, Chain of Memories (GBA), and all Cutscenes from 358/2 Days (DS)) and 2.5 (which had KH2, Birth By Sleep (PSP), and all Cutscenes from re:Coded(Phone/DS)). This one will feature Dream Drop Distance (the 3DS game) and Cutscenes from χ[chi] (which was some browser game). It also has KH 0.2, which is a prologue game for KH3.
Technically, yes you can just play the title games and get the overarching story and Sora's part in it, but you miss a lot and will be really confused if you skip the side games. Which is why the Remix versions bring all of the other versions to the same console so you can play them together.
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On September 17 2015 23:38 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 23:22 Sufficiency wrote:On September 17 2015 23:18 Lord Tolkien wrote:On September 17 2015 23:14 Ketara wrote:
Looked it up, Clinton has said he regrets NAFTA. ...source? On September 17 2015 23:15 Sufficiency wrote:
Raising corporate tax rate sounds like an absolute terrible idea and I am not even sure if I support it in Canada. Completely abolishing it is what we should be doing. Is it possible for any first world country to balance the books if corporate tax is eliminated? Absolutely. In 2014, Corporate taxes account for ~10% of US government payroll income every year (and has been shrinking in proportion every year), or ~300 billion. Shifting that over to higher income taxes or capital gains, or shifting the tax burden onto shareholders, is not substantially difficult, and has major positive effects for American workers in particular (corporate income taxes are primarily passed down to them, as opposed to the rich/investors). http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/abolishing-corporate-income-tax-good-american-workers/
OK the theory sounds fine but it seems like an impossible sell to the voters.
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On September 17 2015 22:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:The chief arguments and criticisms against TPP are similar to that leveled against NAFTA, and yes, while major free trade agreements like NAFTA tend to produce painful short-term labor market shocks (in NAFTA's case, mostly for Mexican farmers), the effect, in employment and GDP, is positive in the long term. http://www.cfr.org/trade/naftas-economic-impact/p15790
i bet nafta knows alot about this, just pm him
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Every time I see TPP I don't think about politics.
I just think about THE GLORY OF THE HELIX.
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On September 17 2015 23:39 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 23:28 AsmodeusXI wrote:Sorry Req, I'm going to have to trump your trailer vid posting with this one. + Show Spoiler +http://youtu.be/wvpOwQaqRXA I should write a blog post someday about how I feel about this series. Long story short: I love it, it's incredible, and this new one has me so hyped my brain might explode. I can even see the series tropes by this point and don't even care. It's beautiful and looks like a ton of fun. Plus Shoji Meguro is a goddamn genius as far as I'm concerned. I never played any Persona games. I honestly don't even know what they're about.
They are about a lot of things.
They are about identity. They are about relationships. They are about getting through high school. They are about morality and death and wrestling with your inner self. They are also about stylistic dungeon crawls, incredible soundtracks, and turn-based, strength-and-weakness-driven combat with a light collecting and crafting mechanic (finding and combining your demonic "familiars," the Persona).
Honestly, this mostly applies to Personas 3 and 4, but those two games alone are more interesting to me than nearly any other RPGs released within the same time frames as those games. The ideas they explore and the ways they explore them are amazing.
Plus they are anime as all hell.
You'd probably really enjoy them Req.
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On September 17 2015 23:48 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 23:38 Lord Tolkien wrote:On September 17 2015 23:22 Sufficiency wrote:On September 17 2015 23:18 Lord Tolkien wrote:On September 17 2015 23:14 Ketara wrote:
Looked it up, Clinton has said he regrets NAFTA. ...source? On September 17 2015 23:15 Sufficiency wrote:
Raising corporate tax rate sounds like an absolute terrible idea and I am not even sure if I support it in Canada. Completely abolishing it is what we should be doing. Is it possible for any first world country to balance the books if corporate tax is eliminated? Absolutely. In 2014, Corporate taxes account for ~10% of US government payroll income every year (and has been shrinking in proportion every year), or ~300 billion. Shifting that over to higher income taxes or capital gains, or shifting the tax burden onto shareholders, is not substantially difficult, and has major positive effects for American workers in particular (corporate income taxes are primarily passed down to them, as opposed to the rich/investors). http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/abolishing-corporate-income-tax-good-american-workers/ OK the theory sounds fine but it seems like an impossible sell to the voters.
1) check the edits, I've elaborated further.
2) It is a Trump plank, but yes. Selling an elimination of the corporate tax (or a drastic lowering thereof) is nearly impossible, but at this point in time, corporate tax reform is desperately needed with the accelerating pace of corporate inversion. And raising corporate taxes is economically suicidal right now for the US.
There's alot of sorely needed tax reform which would never pass popular support or Congress. Unfortunately.
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On September 17 2015 23:11 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 23:10 Scip wrote:
Oh Sanders is anti-GMO?
Shame, GMOs are like my favourite thing. Can't we have at least one country where the development and utilization of GMOs isn't stifled by overly strict policies? Well, no. He's for GMO labeling, which is pretty much still pandering to the anti-GMO crowd (because there's literally no point besides to make GMO foods seem scary), but Vermont is a giant organic farming state which explains it somewhat.
I personally don't see the issue in labeling GMOs as they are. The issue is that GMOs have been labeled as a boogieman to be afraid of, so it comes down to more of an education issue than anything. I think Sanders shares that thought, but I'm not 100% sure.
On September 17 2015 23:19 Ketara wrote:
I'm not disagreeing with anything tolk is saying mind. I know absolutely nothing about economics and I don't pretend to have an informed opinion.
I am a little surprised though, LT has always seemed very leftist to me and here he is saying not so leftist things!
From what I've gathered in the past and this discussion, LT is more of an Independent like myself. Although he certainly has more of an economic background than I do.
On September 17 2015 23:15 Sufficiency wrote:
To respond to some of the questions about Sanders, I do think he is populist. $15 minimum wage is pretty crazy and does not take into account of the challenges at the state and municipal level. When a politician runs around and ask for a huge raise in minimum wage I alway err on the side of caution.
It is a raise to $15 over the next several years - gradual increase to minimize damage to small business. And that is something that I am very aware of. My dad owns a small manufacturing shop in my home town, so I empathize there. But minimum wage is pitifully low.
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On September 17 2015 23:39 Requizen wrote:
I never played any Persona games. I honestly don't even know what they're about.
I consider Persona 3/4 to be the turning point where Atlus took over Square Enix's role as the front-runner in the JRPG genre. S-E still sells more copies by volume, but in terms of innovation and moving a genre that's traditionally been considered to be stagnating forward, Atlus post-P3 has delivered far more.
Persona as a series (and Persona 3 and 4 in particular) essentially adapts/evolves the themes and gameplay of the Shin Megami Tensei in a direction that is more palateable for a wider audience. The SMT series generally has had quite dark themes, and the focus on demon contracting/summoning has always been a hindrance to the series getting localized in the States (particularly before the PlayStation came out, as NoA would never localize such a religiously-questionable title on the NES/SNES/GB).
The core defining trait of the SMT series where it breaks away from standard JRPG menu-based gameplay is demon contracting/summoning. In the main-line SMT games, you can meet demons while on your dungeon crawling adventures. Some of these you will fight, but some can be negotiated with. The gameplay dimension of reading the demon's personality and trying to appease them is rewarded by them joining your party. Over time, as you contract various demons, the second aspect of their gameplay is fusing demons to create more powerful ones, with better stats and more abilities. Given the wide range of contract-able demons throughout the game, the fusion possibilities create a lot of depth in a conceptually easy-to-understand system.
Persona upturns the demon contracting idea and rather uses a similar gameplay formula to address different themes. Instead of tackling religious/philosophical themes, Persona is a game about personal relationships. In place of demons, the core supernatural entity in Persona games are "Personas", which are essentially spiritual embodiments of personality aspects, represented by Tarot cards. Each of your party members (and some NPCs) represents one of these personality aspects, and you the protagonist have the unique ability to use many Personas. Functionally "Personas" are similar to the contracted demons in mainline SMT, and the deep fusion gameplay of the main series is also present. Where Persona differs is in how they are developed. As opposed to contracting demons you meet during the dungeon crawl portion of the game, Persona integrates dating sim-like elements where you develop relationships with the other characters (called "Social Links" by the game). The time-management gameplay here forces you to prioritize and think about the relationships you develop, and how you do this both affects the availability of stronger Personas to you, as well as the strength of the character's own Persona.
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On September 17 2015 23:47 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 23:39 Alaric wrote:
I thought people were waiting for KH 3, is 2.8 something new?
Also afaik they aren't stand-alone and are all just an incomplete part of a yet-to-end overarching story, right? 2.8 is another compilation game, much like 1.5 (which had Kingdom Hearts, Chain of Memories (GBA), and all Cutscenes from 358/2 Days (DS)) and 2.5 (which had KH2, Birth By Sleep (PSP), and all Cutscenes from re:Coded(Phone/DS)). This one will feature Dream Drop Distance (the 3DS game) and Cutscenes from χ[chi] (which was some browser game). It also has KH 0.2, which is a prologue game for KH3. Technically, yes you can just play the title games and get the overarching story and Sora's part in it, but you miss a lot and will be really confused if you skip the side games. Which is why the Remix versions bring all of the other versions to the same console so you can play them together.
So for someone like you who've played the other games it's basically a money grab labelled with HD that you'll still indulge in? 
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The issue with labeling GMOs is that you're basically doing it to connote BAD THINGS about them, as well as establishing a relatively arbitrary definition of a GMO (given every crop and livestock in human history has been genetically modified by humans, albeit through different means).
There is already separate "organic" labeling, .
You can break me down based on category.
On social issues, I am super "left wing".
On economic issues, I don't abide by party lines (and try and focus as much on good economics as possible).
On foreign policy, I am an unequivocal globalist/interventionist.
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Independent is the way to go, means I can vote in whatever primary I want based on how I feel about the candidates.
The problem with requiring labeling on GMOs is that it people will assume that because it's labeled by law that means it's bad. It's one thing to advertise your product as non-GMO to people who don't know what's good for them and stick them with a higher price. It's another thing to punish the companies using GMOs by encouraging alarmist attitudes. I would only support labeling GMO foods if the general public was actually educated about GMOs and realized that we have been eating food with mutations created by blasting plants with random radiation for decades.
LT why you gotta be more ninja than me?
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I hate the term organic. It gives me nightmares about organic chemistry that I still don't know wtf is going on. Also doesn't make much sense to me since they all organic anyway.
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On September 18 2015 00:19 phyvo wrote:
Independent is the way to go, means I can vote in whatever primary I want based on how I feel about the candidates.
The problem with requiring labeling on GMOs is that it people will assume that because it's labeled by law that means it's bad. It's one thing to advertise your product as non-GMO to people who don't know what's good for them and stick them with a higher price. It's another thing to punish the companies using GMOs by encouraging alarmist attitudes. I would only support labeling GMO foods if the general public was actually educated about GMOs and realized that we have been eating food with mutations created by blasting plants with random radiation for decades.
LT why you gotta be more ninja than me?
Because your response is more fleshed out.
I'm summarizing with a fone.
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Well, organic as it stands is a meaningful label for meat, dairy, and produce, although not a sure-fire no pesticides one. It's organic everything else that hasn't been defined by law and so is completely meaningless. Knowing that it's really funny whenever I visit an Earth Fare and see all the "organic" packaged goods.
On September 18 2015 00:21 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 00:19 phyvo wrote:
Independent is the way to go, means I can vote in whatever primary I want based on how I feel about the candidates.
The problem with requiring labeling on GMOs is that it people will assume that because it's labeled by law that means it's bad. It's one thing to advertise your product as non-GMO to people who don't know what's good for them and stick them with a higher price. It's another thing to punish the companies using GMOs by encouraging alarmist attitudes. I would only support labeling GMO foods if the general public was actually educated about GMOs and realized that we have been eating food with mutations created by blasting plants with random radiation for decades.
LT why you gotta be more ninja than me? Because your response is more fleshed out. I'm summarizing with a fone.
Well, a phone is probably easier to carry on your secret ninja missions anyway.
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On September 18 2015 00:19 phyvo wrote:
Independent is the way to go, means I can vote in whatever primary I want based on how I feel about the candidates.
That depends on your state. Some states you need to be registered with the party to vote in the primary.
I would only support labeling GMO foods if the general public was actually educated about GMOs and realized that we have been eating food with mutations created by blasting plants with random radiation for decades.
I agree and concede this point.
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The current anti-GMO movement just reminds me of the Alar scare.
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Isn't this akin to the anti-MSG stuff? Or does the anti-GMO have more merit than that.
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On September 17 2015 23:58 AsmodeusXI wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 17 2015 23:39 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 23:28 AsmodeusXI wrote:Sorry Req, I'm going to have to trump your trailer vid posting with this one. + Show Spoiler +http://youtu.be/wvpOwQaqRXA I should write a blog post someday about how I feel about this series. Long story short: I love it, it's incredible, and this new one has me so hyped my brain might explode. I can even see the series tropes by this point and don't even care. It's beautiful and looks like a ton of fun. Plus Shoji Meguro is a goddamn genius as far as I'm concerned. I never played any Persona games. I honestly don't even know what they're about. They are about a lot of things. They are about identity. They are about relationships. They are about getting through high school. They are about morality and death and wrestling with your inner self. They are also about stylistic dungeon crawls, incredible soundtracks, and turn-based, strength-and-weakness-driven combat with a light collecting and crafting mechanic (finding and combining your demonic "familiars," the Persona). Honestly, this mostly applies to Personas 3 and 4, but those two games alone are more interesting to me than nearly any other RPGs released within the same time frames as those games. The ideas they explore and the ways they explore them are amazing. Plus they are anime as all hell. You'd probably really enjoy them Req.
On September 18 2015 00:11 TheYango wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 17 2015 23:39 Requizen wrote:
I never played any Persona games. I honestly don't even know what they're about. I consider Persona 3/4 to be the turning point where Atlus took over Square Enix's role as the front-runner in the JRPG genre. S-E still sells more copies by volume, but in terms of innovation and moving a genre that's traditionally been considered to be stagnating forward, Atlus post-P3 has delivered far more. Persona as a series (and Persona 3 and 4 in particular) essentially adapts/evolves the themes and gameplay of the Shin Megami Tensei in a direction that is more palateable for a wider audience. The SMT series generally has had quite dark themes, and the focus on demon contracting/summoning has always been a hindrance to the series getting localized in the States (particularly before the PlayStation came out, as NoA would never localize such a religiously-questionable title on the NES/SNES/GB). The core defining trait of the SMT series where it breaks away from standard JRPG menu-based gameplay is demon contracting/summoning. In the main-line SMT games, you can meet demons while on your dungeon crawling adventures. Some of these you will fight, but some can be negotiated with. The gameplay dimension of reading the demon's personality and trying to appease them is rewarded by them joining your party. Over time, as you contract various demons, the second aspect of their gameplay is fusing demons to create more powerful ones, with better stats and more abilities. Given the wide range of contract-able demons throughout the game, the fusion possibilities create a lot of depth in a conceptually easy-to-understand system. Persona upturns the demon contracting idea and rather uses a similar gameplay formula to address different themes. Instead of tackling religious/philosophical themes, Persona is a game about personal relationships. In place of demons, the core supernatural entity in Persona games are "Personas", which are essentially spiritual embodiments of personality aspects, represented by Tarot cards. Each of your party members (and some NPCs) represents one of these personality aspects, and you the protagonist have the unique ability to use many Personas. Functionally "Personas" are similar to the contracted demons in mainline SMT, and the deep fusion gameplay of the main series is also present. Where Persona differs is in how they are developed. As opposed to contracting demons you meet during the dungeon crawl portion of the game, Persona integrates dating sim-like elements where you develop relationships with the other characters (called "Social Links" by the game). The time-management gameplay here forces you to prioritize and think about the relationships you develop, and how you do this both affects the availability of stronger Personas to you, as well as the strength of the character's own Persona.
Interesting. I know they've been popular, I just never picked one up and honestly I don't play a lot of turn-based RPGs anymore. I played a SMT game on the 3DS, but it was really not my thing since I hate TRPGs. It really does sound like the sort of story I'd enjoy, though.
On September 18 2015 00:15 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 23:47 Requizen wrote:On September 17 2015 23:39 Alaric wrote:
I thought people were waiting for KH 3, is 2.8 something new?
Also afaik they aren't stand-alone and are all just an incomplete part of a yet-to-end overarching story, right? 2.8 is another compilation game, much like 1.5 (which had Kingdom Hearts, Chain of Memories (GBA), and all Cutscenes from 358/2 Days (DS)) and 2.5 (which had KH2, Birth By Sleep (PSP), and all Cutscenes from re:Coded(Phone/DS)). This one will feature Dream Drop Distance (the 3DS game) and Cutscenes from χ[chi] (which was some browser game). It also has KH 0.2, which is a prologue game for KH3. Technically, yes you can just play the title games and get the overarching story and Sora's part in it, but you miss a lot and will be really confused if you skip the side games. Which is why the Remix versions bring all of the other versions to the same console so you can play them together. So for someone like you who've played the other games it's basically a money grab labelled with HD that you'll still indulge in?
I mean, yes?
I got 1.5 to have a HD Remake of KH on a current gen system. And I love, love Days, so being able to watch the story without replaying has a lot of value (yes, I do know Youtube exists). 2.5 was nice to get KH2 on the PS3 as well, and I never had a PSP so I've only played a portion of BBS, so I really do want to play that.
I actually haven't finished DDD, since playing long games on a handheld doesn't do it for me. Having a console version is very appealing. I also haven't played chi and want the prologue chapter, so 2.8 is a no-brainer.
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