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On September 17 2015 10:26 Eppa! wrote:
@soniv since you post a lot I can't quote the post about your friend and frame data in melee.

The biggest issue with a lot of people going for the harder ATs its that they issues in their play style when it comes to fundamentals and they try to cover it with multi shines and scar jumps. Melee is essential RPS where the best moves are the ones that set up the best while having excellent coverage or having the best coverage.
Hax tweeted something of the like "doc kids can multi shine an opponents shield but can't SHFFL"
This is basically what is happening to a lot of people and its holding back a lot of new school players.

Take Falcos AC bair it's one of his better options in the RPS vs Peach because of it's excellent coverage, but when people barely use it and can't utilize drift while doing it heavily weakens Falcos neutral vs Peach. Perfectly spaced it is for example safe on CC dsmash, beats dash attack, and only loses to Fair in disjoint. It's also incredibly hard to punish if your not overly obvious with using it.

I don't think studying frame data/multi shines are bad but it's not really as useful as having a crispy basics down. Shield drops also for another example less useful than learning dual stick DI.

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That is just a strawman from RL.

On September 17 2015 11:05 Skitter wrote:
I don't think Trump is in this to win. Criticizing people's looks, constantly making fun of JB, he feels more like bringing more popularity/publicity his way. I think Carson is just going with the flow. Besides that, I don't know what to make of this

On September 17 2015 10:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Oh, I agree with you entirely. My anecdote is also backed up by the fact that this friend practices on 20xx in a lot of his free time. I'm sure he would wholeheartedly agree with you also.

But the argument was whether Sm4sh was a better competitive game than Melee because it lacked the need for at least moderate tech skill. I argue the complete opposite - that Melee is such a rich competitive game because the tech skill makes it so deep in terms of skill, awareness, reaction, and decision making.

On September 17 2015 11:06 Sufficiency wrote:
Sanders feels like a terrible president to me =/ way too populists.

I think the real problem is that Clinton feels bad. Who are the other candidates?

On September 17 2015 11:22 Skitter wrote:
Haha yeah I haven't been paying much attention to this, tho I probably should since it's the first time I'm gonna be voting...

On September 17 2015 11:17 Skitter wrote:
Jeb Bush. Ben Carson. Chris Christie. Ted Cruz. Carly Fiorina. Jim Gilmore. Lindsey Graham. Mike Huckabee. Bobby Jindal. John Kasich. George Pataki. Rand Paul. Marco Rubio. Rick Santorum. Donald Trump.

On September 17 2015 11:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I'd actually be interested in why you think he'd be a terrible president. I can understand if you disagree with him on some/many things. But to say he'd be "terrible" makes me curious.

On September 17 2015 12:22 Sufficiency wrote:


He is popular because he is running on a populist platform. But I am actually in the opinion that the vast majority of the population does not know how to run a country. It's the tyranny of the majority (which your people desperately tried to prevent in the Constitution).

My biggest issue with "populists", be it Sanders, Ron Paul, or most people from the NDP has to do with foreign policy though. They tend to have this isolationist stance, especially when it comes to the projection of power. The world is very complicated - you can't just shield your ears and pretend foreign issues are not the US's (or in NDP's case, Canada's) problems. Some of it is bad and people get killed - it sucks, but I happen to believe that's what it takes to be a Great Power and the citizens reap the benefit of living in a Great Power.

Sorry if this sounds too Social Darwinist. Maybe I am a closet Nazi. Heh.

On September 17 2015 15:10 Sufficiency wrote:
I think it's the Tea Party's fault that GoP is this awkward situation.

Then again, I think the US political system is incompatible with more then 2 major parties after the New Deal.

On September 17 2015 03:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Well, his argument was that it was better competitively because you didn't have to spend tons of time learning tech skill - anyone can pick up Sm4sh and play it at least semi competently. Which is, in my mind, kind of the antithesis of what a competitive game should be.

Also, Mordek and Asmo got mod status after the latest Lounge snafu