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On August 15 2015 09:37 Sonnington wrote:

Really? So you support meth addicts remaining meth addicts and murders murdering? Because that's the logical conclusion to your broad statement.

I also find the lack of self awareness striking. I'm making a life decision to take a stance that I don't respect the act of getting a neck tattoos. Yet, as you tell me, "it is not okay for you to not respect other peoples life choices." That's the definition of doublethink to me.

On August 15 2015 09:39 AsmodeusXI wrote:


I'm not sure what you mean by projecting or bigoted in this scenario. I'm only trying to express how I felt about your statements. If I didn't make that clear, I apologize.

I do think that respect is essential. When I see someone being disrespectful, I notice that it tends to manifest in a belittling of a person's choices, which to me is tantamount to belittling that person themselves. I'm attempting to respect your dislike of tattoos, but present an alternate thought process that's not as disrespectful toward those who have them.

By talking about "their bad decisions" and "bad life choices," you're implying you understand entirely what their life is like and what events led them to what they've done with it. You don't. It's not possible. So instead you're projecting your personal feelings onto them, which leads to you disrespecting and insulting them. I think this is a bad thing. It's the difference between "I hate tattoos" and "I think people who have tattoos are stupid," and that's an important distinction to make. I don't think anyone on this forum would have a problem with the former.




The issue I see with this is the idea that addiction is a life choice. It's not. It's an illness. Thus it's doesn't logically follow that Ketara is supporting harmful drug consumption or murder.

On August 15 2015 09:49 Ketara wrote:
You have every right to make a life decision to be an asshole.

Just don't be surprised when people think you're an asshole.

On August 15 2015 10:49 Ketara wrote:
There are two cards I want to try in my cancer druid mill deck and they're both common yaaaaay

On August 15 2015 09:54 Sonnington wrote:

Conversely, you have every right to get a neck tattoo.

Just don't be surprised when some people find it gross.

On August 15 2015 10:53 MoonBear wrote:

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On August 15 2015 10:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm on now but I guess it's too late
Sorry doods, we'll try another night I guess next week?

On August 15 2015 10:53 MoonBear wrote:

I dislike getting involved in these things, but I will make an exception here.

In society, many people don't like to associate with individuals who are associated with drugs, crime, etc.^[1] However, things such as extensive background checks or drug testing may be inpractical, inefficient, inaccurate, invasive, costly, illegal, or a combination of all of them (this extends to both general social interaction as well as other corollaries such as hiring practices). As such, people use other proxy measures instead and one of these measures may be the evidence of body modification.^[2] This doesn't mean that this is correct, nor useful, but it is something we can acknowledge does happen a non-zero amount of times in various places.

@Sonnington: If you are concerned for the well-being of other TL'ers because you don't want anyone to make a decision they might regret because of the above, then your concern is noted. However, I also feel that the people who would have read your posts are also mature enough to make what is a very personal decision themselves. And if there is regret about it, well, that's also part of life. Banging the table about this issue is not going to raise awareness any more than it already has, is not going to change the minds of someone who has already put thought into it, and is not going to endear you others. As such, I recommend you drop this issue.^[3]

@Everyone else: This also applies to you all. I don't expect to see this argument come up again. If there are any further problems with thread derails into another argument over this topic, just report it and move on. Thank you.

1. Citation needed
   
2. Sweeping generalisation. Not going to go into this since this since it's a post in and of itself, but factors can include the media, stereotypes (rightly or wrongly), personal experience, societal peers, misunderstanding, bigotry, and more.
   
3. If you you feel discomforted about this topic, you are also welcome to skip and not read any posts with such material.

I would like to remind you about the rules on advertising on TL and its sister sites. Please note that political action groups are also prohibited unless you complete and submit Form 501(c)(4) and recieve approval from the appropriate authorities.

Please understand.