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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 31 2015 23:47 Seuss wrote: New Mage card: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/OcAtCr2.jpg) 3 Mana 3/4 Battlecry: Add a random spell to each player's hand. I don't like this randomness. I assume it's any spell in the game? Really dislike that kind of effect. We have already seen how shit the randomness in Unstable portal is. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I get how a card like Mad Bomber that's technically "even" can be played in a way where it's more likely to be positive value to yourself, but I fail to see how the same can be applied to a card that gives both players a random spell. Especially with no hand manipulation cards in the game. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Flawless victory. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On July 31 2015 17:20 Fusilero wrote: Meek Mill constantly talking about the money he makes while being way way less wealthy than Drake is just painful to listen to. I didn't know it was humanly possible to get beat down so hard in beef he started as well. Yeah this is also really astounding. He has a line about a platinum watch which is stupid because: 1) Drake is worth literally 25 times as much (75mil to 3 mil) 2) Drake's line back in 2013 - "Fuck going platinum I looked at my wrist and it's already platinum 3) None of Meek Mill's records have gone platinum, in fact his Dreams and Nightmares from 2012 just RECENTLY went gold LOL It's too bad. I like Meek Mill too, but he is just losing all over the place. It's not even a contest. This is HUGE for Drake though. As if he needed the help to be more popular, but his OVO Fest (6th one, I wish I could go  ) is this weekend. Anybody near Toronto should look into it. It's not only rap, there should be some other musical guests and things to do I think, but I don't know too much about it.On July 31 2015 23:53 Scip wrote: Wow, I just checked out the new league UI (haven't played in a while) damn it's good takes up so little space yet gets all the info in Yeah I haven't used it, but what I have seen in screenshots I really really like it. Seems super clean. On July 31 2015 21:30 Alaric wrote: And 70% being a data irrelevant enough that my memory will make a special place for it. Aww.... Thanks Alaric! | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On August 01 2015 00:27 Numy wrote: Mad Bomber is "controlled" random where you can at least try set up a scenario that has a more likely positive effect. Cards like unstable portal and this creature you just sucking your thumb and praying. I guess blizzard really do care about the "highlight reels" more than anything else. There's going to be youtube vids of opponent getting some crazy spell that wins the game and that's what they want. Nearly every card game has dice rolls though right? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 01 2015 00:27 Numy wrote: Mad Bomber is "controlled" random where you can at least try set up a scenario that has a more likely positive effect. Cards like unstable portal and this creature you just sucking your thumb and praying. I guess blizzard really do care about the "highlight reels" more than anything else. There's going to be youtube vids of opponent getting some crazy spell that wins the game and that's what they want. Well, I think they've made it pretty clear that "competitive" is way down the importance list compared to fun. Luckily most of these total random effects are limited to Mage and not necessarily in every Class. Well, and Shaman too, which is basically "RNG: the class" | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On August 01 2015 00:27 Numy wrote: Mad Bomber is "controlled" random where you can at least try set up a scenario that has a more likely positive effect. Cards like unstable portal and this creature you just sucking your thumb and praying. I guess blizzard really do care about the "highlight reels" more than anything else. There's going to be youtube vids of opponent getting some crazy spell that wins the game and that's what they want. The only thing I can think of is Mage has spell synergy and counterspell. You could run it with the troggs too... | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 01 2015 00:27 Numy wrote: Mad Bomber is "controlled" random where you can at least try set up a scenario that has a more likely positive effect. Cards like unstable portal and this creature you just sucking your thumb and praying. I guess blizzard really do care about the "highlight reels" more than anything else. There's going to be youtube vids of opponent getting some crazy spell that wins the game and that's what they want. The highlight reel moment for this is obviously it giving you Unstable Portal, followed by Unstable Portal giving you another one of these again. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On July 31 2015 23:59 Numy wrote: I don't like this randomness. I assume it's any spell in the game? Really dislike that kind of effect. We have already seen how shit the randomness in Unstable portal is. Randomness isn't the problem with Unstable Portal. The problem is that because it draws from the list of all minions it will give more value for 2 mana than a card of that cost has any business providing. Occasionally it draws a bad/cheap minion, but most of the time you get to play something well ahead of its intended curve. By comparison a Ramp Druid spends 2-3 cards for similar effect, which requires them to draw that combo and makes the effect less damaging when you spend 2-3 cards to deal with the problem. Similarly Far Sight requires a Shaman to try and slant their deck toward higher value cards while also costing an additional mana. That's not to say randomness is good, just that it's not the defining factor that makes Unstable Portal overpowered. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It could cost 7 mana and it would still be a dumb card--just a dumb card that never gets played, then. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 01 2015 00:31 Requizen wrote: Well, I think they've made it pretty clear that "competitive" is way down the importance list compared to fun. Luckily most of these total random effects are limited to Mage and not necessarily in every Class. Well, and Shaman too, which is basically "RNG: the class" I don't really see how it's fun to insta lose the game because Unstable portal pulled a random card that is impossible for you to deal with or is the perfect counter to what you did | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On August 01 2015 00:53 Numy wrote: I don't really see how it's fun to insta lose the game because Unstable portal pulled a random card that is impossible for you to deal with or is the perfect counter to what you did For people like me it's never fun to lose. Except when I am mindblowingly drunk and/or playing with friends. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 01 2015 00:53 Numy wrote: I don't really see how it's fun to insta lose the game because Unstable portal pulled a random card that is impossible for you to deal with or is the perfect counter to what you did I agree. But Blizz has made it clear that for their vision of Hearthstone, RNG = fun (for the most part). It'll probably come back to bite them in the butt. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 01 2015 00:52 TheYango wrote: Numy's not talking about how randomness makes Unstable Portal overpowered, but rather how it makes it unfun to play with/against. It could cost 7 mana and it would still be a dumb card--just a dumb card that never gets played, then. I don't think the randomness makes it unfun to play with (except in silly brawls), and I'd argue it's primarily unfun to play against because it's too strong most of the time (and not all that weak when it fails to be stupidly OP). You don't get nearly the same controversy over cards like Thoughtsteal or Nefarion because, despite being fairly random, they simply aren't as strong as Unstable Portal. If it was my job to fix Unstable Portal I'd do away with the mana cost reduction and call it a day. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 01 2015 01:06 Seuss wrote: You don't get nearly the same controversy over cards like Thoughtsteal or Nefarion because, despite being fairly random, they simply aren't as strong as Unstable Portal. If it was my job to fix Unstable Portal I'd do away with the mana cost reduction and call it a day. Them being less controversial is a product of people not caring about bad cards, not them being intrinsically less problematic by design. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 01 2015 01:15 TheYango wrote: Them being less controversial is a product of people not caring about bad cards, not them being intrinsically less problematic by design. Thoughtsteal isn't a bad card, it's actually standard in Control Priest; + Show Spoiler + http://www.liquidhearth.com/staff/monk/PowerRank/June2015_2/Kolento_Priest.png It's been a decent card since beta, it's just not more than decent. The point being that some complaints about randomness are really players venting frustration about overpowered cards that happen to have random elements, and it isn't necessarily even that the card is too strong (SEE: Piloted Shredder) but that the player has no control over the situation. On the other hand some people fundamentally don't enjoy RNG and I don't mean to diminish that complaint, it's legitimate. | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
On August 01 2015 00:34 Requizen wrote: I was actually thinking about Hearthstone tribes this morning. Even though there's not a lot of them yet, why aren't Troggs a tribe? For that matter, why isn't there an Ogre cribe? They already have a clear theme and a decent number of cards, even a legendary! Well, there's no reason for them to be, yet. If in the future they introduce some kind of ogre synergy or anything that affects ogres specifically (Ex// a minion with an effect that makes ogres immune to confusion) then they can always patch it in because digital card game, which is great. I mean, there were dragons in the original set, but unlike murlocs and pirates (hidden legendary) there was no reason for the tag to be in the game other than to let us know there were plans for the future (which at this point they probably want to obscure more than promote). On August 01 2015 00:53 Numy wrote: I don't really see how it's fun to insta lose the game because Unstable portal pulled a random card that is impossible for you to deal with or is the perfect counter to what you did Well the same thing could be said of cards from your opponent's deck, aside from the -2 cost (unless it's a "bad card" that no-one plays because it's niche is too narrow / irrelevant (ex// blood knight), which I actually think is the best scenario with this card). There's very rarely a case where the mage draws an other class minion that does something a neutral or mage-accessible minion wouldn't have been able to do similarly. | ||
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