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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 16 2016 15:39 GMT
#30441
Fair enough. I'm just going to be happy any time I can get a 60% discount on models that I was probably going to buy anyway.
It's your boy Guzma!
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
November 16 2016 15:40 GMT
#30442
On November 17 2016 00:39 Requizen wrote:
Fair enough. I'm just going to be happy any time I can get a 60% discount on models that I was probably going to buy anyway.

Yeah if you are going to get them anyway you got yourself a deal.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
November 16 2016 15:47 GMT
#30443
So apparently you'll be able to buy Hearthstone packs with WoW gold. Has Blizzard finally found a way to siphon away all of Monte's money?
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 16 2016 15:53 GMT
#30444
They probably near net cast then machine if necessary the low to medium production volume large actual volume models.

Injection moulding doesn't make a whole lot of sense or work at a certain scale. For larger models to be injection moulded, it would be nearly impossible as if the section is too think relative to the injection rate you'll get inclusions and other defects due to some parts cooling while more gets injected. You also cant have hollow sections with injection without major material defects.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 16 2016 15:58 GMT
#30445
On November 17 2016 00:53 iCanada wrote:
They probably near net cast then machine if necessary the low to medium production volume large actual volume models.

Injection moulding doesn't make a whole lot of sense or work at a certain scale. For larger models to be injection moulded, it would be nearly impossible as if the section is too think relative to the injection rate you'll get inclusions and other defects due to some parts cooling while more gets injected. You also cant have hollow sections with injection without major material defects.

That's probably why everything comes really broken down in sprues. even the smallest models in things like Necron Warriors or Termagants are broken down to several pieces per model (the Warrior is basically a robot skeleton holding a gun. 7 pieces per model not including the base.) and large monsters or vehicles may come on 3-4 sprues.
It's your boy Guzma!
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
November 16 2016 15:59 GMT
#30446
This is fun. I hear about these things all the time at work It's just regulated because the plastic and metal goes in your body.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-16 16:14:15
November 16 2016 16:12 GMT
#30447
On November 17 2016 00:58 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2016 00:53 iCanada wrote:
They probably near net cast then machine if necessary the low to medium production volume large actual volume models.

Injection moulding doesn't make a whole lot of sense or work at a certain scale. For larger models to be injection moulded, it would be nearly impossible as if the section is too think relative to the injection rate you'll get inclusions and other defects due to some parts cooling while more gets injected. You also cant have hollow sections with injection without major material defects.

That's probably why everything comes really broken down in sprues. even the smallest models in things like Necron Warriors or Termagants are broken down to several pieces per model (the Warrior is basically a robot skeleton holding a gun. 7 pieces per model not including the base.) and large monsters or vehicles may come on 3-4 sprues.


That's makes sense.

And depending how you look at it they give you greater creative freedom or get to charge you for more waste.

I talk to management too much. It's hashing my mellow. -_-

I just want to solve problems and make cool stuff. Apparently to do that you need to learn to think like your psychopath boss.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 16 2016 16:12 GMT
#30448
On November 17 2016 00:33 Requizen wrote:
In other news, I really want to play Overwatch with some of the changes. D.Va is one of my favorite tanks to play and her buffs look pretty good.

Did 3s and 1v1 last night after we stopped grinding.
Can confirm new patch is super awesome.

More grindy tonight?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 16 2016 16:15 GMT
#30449
On November 17 2016 00:47 phyvo wrote:
So apparently you'll be able to buy Hearthstone packs with WoW gold. Has Blizzard finally found a way to siphon away all of Monte's money?

It's a very good thing I don't play Wow anymore.
Hell for some ungodly reason I have 8k HS gold from doing dailies for a game I don't even like much or care about. Now loot boxes on the other hand....
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 16 2016 16:23 GMT
#30450
On November 17 2016 01:12 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2016 00:58 Requizen wrote:
On November 17 2016 00:53 iCanada wrote:
They probably near net cast then machine if necessary the low to medium production volume large actual volume models.

Injection moulding doesn't make a whole lot of sense or work at a certain scale. For larger models to be injection moulded, it would be nearly impossible as if the section is too think relative to the injection rate you'll get inclusions and other defects due to some parts cooling while more gets injected. You also cant have hollow sections with injection without major material defects.

That's probably why everything comes really broken down in sprues. even the smallest models in things like Necron Warriors or Termagants are broken down to several pieces per model (the Warrior is basically a robot skeleton holding a gun. 7 pieces per model not including the base.) and large monsters or vehicles may come on 3-4 sprues.


That's makes sense.

And depending how you look at it they give you greater creative freedom or get to charge you for more waste.

I talk to management too much. It's hashing my mellow. -_-

I just want to solve problems and make cool stuff. Apparently to do that you need to learn to think like your psychopath boss.

Depends on your viewpoint. For instance, let's take a look at a box I'm familiar with: Necron Lychguard/Praetorians. One box makes two different models, each one with two different loadouts. Lychguard with Warscythe, Lychguard with Hyperphase Sword and Dispersion Shield, Praetorian with Rod of the Covenant, Praetorian with Voidblade and Particle Caster. Three sprues in total for five models, each model sharing the same torso and legs, but different heads, arms, backs, and weaponry. So when you build the dudes, you're left with an array of bits that you can't use to make anything by themselves, which sucks.

On the other hand, you have a lot of options for customization on the models themselves, for magnetization so you can swap between options on the fly, or even for taking the leftover bits and kitbashing them to make models with other leftover bits (which is a nice way to save money). There are even places where you can sell your extra bits for a few bucks.

So I guess it really depends on whether or not you view the leftovers as unusable trash or modelling opportunities.

On November 17 2016 01:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2016 00:33 Requizen wrote:
In other news, I really want to play Overwatch with some of the changes. D.Va is one of my favorite tanks to play and her buffs look pretty good.

Did 3s and 1v1 last night after we stopped grinding.
Can confirm new patch is super awesome.

More grindy tonight?

Maybe. I want to get some painting done and spend time with the Otter, so might just be off the PC for a while, but we'll see. I had quite a bit of fun, Tracer is stupid good times imo.
It's your boy Guzma!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 16 2016 16:24 GMT
#30451
On November 17 2016 00:47 phyvo wrote:
So apparently you'll be able to buy Hearthstone packs with WoW gold. Has Blizzard finally found a way to siphon away all of Monte's money?


Only if they increase the cap on Tokens.The current limit is 36 every 24 months, so if I want to keep my subscription going I only have 12 tokens of wiggle room with which to splurge on Hearthstone.

I'm going to be watching for a nadir in token prices though, since it's highly likely that whenever this goes live token prices will spike upward and fall to a higher resting point.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 16 2016 16:27 GMT
#30452
They already have spiked according to an article I read.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 16 2016 16:34 GMT
#30453
On November 17 2016 01:23 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2016 01:12 iCanada wrote:
On November 17 2016 00:58 Requizen wrote:
On November 17 2016 00:53 iCanada wrote:
They probably near net cast then machine if necessary the low to medium production volume large actual volume models.

Injection moulding doesn't make a whole lot of sense or work at a certain scale. For larger models to be injection moulded, it would be nearly impossible as if the section is too think relative to the injection rate you'll get inclusions and other defects due to some parts cooling while more gets injected. You also cant have hollow sections with injection without major material defects.

That's probably why everything comes really broken down in sprues. even the smallest models in things like Necron Warriors or Termagants are broken down to several pieces per model (the Warrior is basically a robot skeleton holding a gun. 7 pieces per model not including the base.) and large monsters or vehicles may come on 3-4 sprues.


That's makes sense.

And depending how you look at it they give you greater creative freedom or get to charge you for more waste.

I talk to management too much. It's hashing my mellow. -_-

I just want to solve problems and make cool stuff. Apparently to do that you need to learn to think like your psychopath boss.

Depends on your viewpoint. For instance, let's take a look at a box I'm familiar with: Necron Lychguard/Praetorians. One box makes two different models, each one with two different loadouts. Lychguard with Warscythe, Lychguard with Hyperphase Sword and Dispersion Shield, Praetorian with Rod of the Covenant, Praetorian with Voidblade and Particle Caster. Three sprues in total for five models, each model sharing the same torso and legs, but different heads, arms, backs, and weaponry. So when you build the dudes, you're left with an array of bits that you can't use to make anything by themselves, which sucks.

On the other hand, you have a lot of options for customization on the models themselves, for magnetization so you can swap between options on the fly, or even for taking the leftover bits and kitbashing them to make models with other leftover bits (which is a nice way to save money). There are even places where you can sell your extra bits for a few bucks.

So I guess it really depends on whether or not you view the leftovers as unusable trash or modelling opportunities.

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2016 01:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On November 17 2016 00:33 Requizen wrote:
In other news, I really want to play Overwatch with some of the changes. D.Va is one of my favorite tanks to play and her buffs look pretty good.

Did 3s and 1v1 last night after we stopped grinding.
Can confirm new patch is super awesome.

More grindy tonight?

Maybe. I want to get some painting done and spend time with the Otter, so might just be off the PC for a while, but we'll see. I had quite a bit of fun, Tracer is stupid good times imo.


Yeah. Realistically I think it's cool. I'd save arms and mix in stuff from old kits in new kits because I like to be myself.

I was more lamenting how I've been trained to think of how the company is trying to fuck just you. Namely because in order to do anything you need to phrase it in a way that let's the guy with the money feel like he can fuck the customers the hardest or they don't make smart decisions.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 16 2016 16:43 GMT
#30454
On November 17 2016 01:34 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2016 01:23 Requizen wrote:
On November 17 2016 01:12 iCanada wrote:
On November 17 2016 00:58 Requizen wrote:
On November 17 2016 00:53 iCanada wrote:
They probably near net cast then machine if necessary the low to medium production volume large actual volume models.

Injection moulding doesn't make a whole lot of sense or work at a certain scale. For larger models to be injection moulded, it would be nearly impossible as if the section is too think relative to the injection rate you'll get inclusions and other defects due to some parts cooling while more gets injected. You also cant have hollow sections with injection without major material defects.

That's probably why everything comes really broken down in sprues. even the smallest models in things like Necron Warriors or Termagants are broken down to several pieces per model (the Warrior is basically a robot skeleton holding a gun. 7 pieces per model not including the base.) and large monsters or vehicles may come on 3-4 sprues.


That's makes sense.

And depending how you look at it they give you greater creative freedom or get to charge you for more waste.

I talk to management too much. It's hashing my mellow. -_-

I just want to solve problems and make cool stuff. Apparently to do that you need to learn to think like your psychopath boss.

Depends on your viewpoint. For instance, let's take a look at a box I'm familiar with: Necron Lychguard/Praetorians. One box makes two different models, each one with two different loadouts. Lychguard with Warscythe, Lychguard with Hyperphase Sword and Dispersion Shield, Praetorian with Rod of the Covenant, Praetorian with Voidblade and Particle Caster. Three sprues in total for five models, each model sharing the same torso and legs, but different heads, arms, backs, and weaponry. So when you build the dudes, you're left with an array of bits that you can't use to make anything by themselves, which sucks.

On the other hand, you have a lot of options for customization on the models themselves, for magnetization so you can swap between options on the fly, or even for taking the leftover bits and kitbashing them to make models with other leftover bits (which is a nice way to save money). There are even places where you can sell your extra bits for a few bucks.

So I guess it really depends on whether or not you view the leftovers as unusable trash or modelling opportunities.

On November 17 2016 01:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On November 17 2016 00:33 Requizen wrote:
In other news, I really want to play Overwatch with some of the changes. D.Va is one of my favorite tanks to play and her buffs look pretty good.

Did 3s and 1v1 last night after we stopped grinding.
Can confirm new patch is super awesome.

More grindy tonight?

Maybe. I want to get some painting done and spend time with the Otter, so might just be off the PC for a while, but we'll see. I had quite a bit of fun, Tracer is stupid good times imo.


Yeah. Realistically I think it's cool. I'd save arms and mix in stuff from old kits in new kits because I like to be myself.

I was more lamenting how I've been trained to think of how the company is trying to fuck just you. Namely because in order to do anything you need to phrase it in a way that let's the guy with the money feel like he can fuck the customers the hardest or they don't make smart decisions.

I think if there's anything that we've learned from 2016 is that people, of all varieties, are just terrible.

And the universe kinda sucks.

Good things from 2016: Marriage, some movies, Age of Sigmar
Bad things from 2016: fucking almost everything else
It's your boy Guzma!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 16 2016 16:48 GMT
#30455
On November 17 2016 01:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2016 00:33 Requizen wrote:
In other news, I really want to play Overwatch with some of the changes. D.Va is one of my favorite tanks to play and her buffs look pretty good.

Did 3s and 1v1 last night after we stopped grinding.
Can confirm new patch is super awesome.

More grindy tonight?

Is playing on EU too big ping for you guys?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 16 2016 16:48 GMT
#30456
I mean... it is how the company thinks, so either way you're not seeing the cool ideas designers thought about, but cool ideas the designers talked about that lent themselves to fucking you over and were compatible with the company, in the end.
So you're not wrong. But I understand the whole "I'm sad I'm becoming a cynic" thing (didn't help that my first non-internship job ended partly 'cause the company was out to fuck a % of employees over).

That whole price discussion reminds me of how I freak out whenever I look at American prices for Magic cards (post-conversion, it's up to 30% higher than Europe prices basically), and think "we're so much cheaper" rather than "we're so much less expensive."
In the end I spend ~4 hours to optimise cards and where I get which to find the combined smallest card prices+smallest amount of sellers, and I'm happy because I cut something like 25% off cards cost, but I'm still spending 60€ on what's only 3/4th of an EDH deck's non-basics.

You're only happy to only spend 1.15€ on that one card till you note that there are 60+ others in the deck... and then shipping also comes in.
Hobby's expensive, man. Though like Req's, I can just tell myself "pay 10€ to draft the evening and have memories and leftover cards, or pay 10€ for a 2-hours movie and only have memories afterward?" to relativise.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 16 2016 16:51 GMT
#30457
On November 17 2016 01:48 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2016 01:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On November 17 2016 00:33 Requizen wrote:
In other news, I really want to play Overwatch with some of the changes. D.Va is one of my favorite tanks to play and her buffs look pretty good.

Did 3s and 1v1 last night after we stopped grinding.
Can confirm new patch is super awesome.

More grindy tonight?

Is playing on EU too big ping for you guys?

I'm up to give it a shot, but I think the bigger issue is that I wouldn't be able to play until pretty late your time.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 16 2016 16:52 GMT
#30458
Yeah I like to rationalize it that I barely buy video games anymore and don't really go out/splurge on alcohol, so on the whole I'm not really spending more on leisure than most people in my demographic. And models are (relatively) forever, while a night of drunken fun is only a hangover waiting to happen.
It's your boy Guzma!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 16 2016 16:52 GMT
#30459
On November 17 2016 01:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
They already have spiked according to an article I read.


That article is bad and should feel bad. Prices actually plummeted last night. They bounced back this morning to where they were pre-drop, so all we've seen is a return to the norm.

That's up there with the Hearthpwn article author's anecdote about making 160-200k a month as a filthy casual. He may be relatively casual, but he's probably in the top 5% of gold earners in WoW.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
November 16 2016 16:55 GMT
#30460
On November 17 2016 01:34 iCanada wrote:I was more lamenting how I've been trained to think of how the company is trying to fuck just you. Namely because in order to do anything you need to phrase it in a way that let's the guy with the money feel like he can fuck the customers the hardest or they don't make smart decisions.


Yeah, I feel weird about this kind of thing. On the one hand something like advertising is an invaluable tool because otherwise no one knows that your services/businesses even exist and without it no one could actually sell anyone anything. On the other hand I deeply resent advertising because of the social and psychological engineering that goes into advertising campaigns in order to get me to buy more things at any cost whether I want to want them or not.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
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