Also remember csgo/dota tournaments are generally just a weekend/week, whereas league is on 7 hours a day 4+ days every single week, so actual concurrents/unique viewers would likely have to be massively higher for DotA/CSGO to exceed hours watched.
Worlds will probably crush because asia, but LCS viewership is a shadow of the market share it used to have
I've actually been thinking about this a bit, the difference between my time watching SC vs LoL. LCS is great and all, it's nice having a "season" to watch, but I do miss the days of getting hyped up for an SC2 tourney because, while it was the only thing happening that month, it was freaking awesome and hype. Yes, Korea has their leagues and NASL came around after a while, but I never watched those unless there was a super hype matchup. Having week to week matches makes it feel... I dunno, kinda boring, rote. The only thing that really matters is MSI and Worlds (and the other semi-independent tournaments like Dreamhack), so I don't really get excited on a week to week basis and pretty much only watch VODs of certain matchups or talked about games.
What's hype in LotV these days anyways? I've happily watched a few tournies but idk really what's going on in the scene, as it were.
By moving to a Bo3 and Bo2 format, there is more League on, but there's also more hours of bad teams playing. For every game of TSM and G2, there's a game of Pheonix1 and Roccat. Viewership spikes and falls based upon who is playing harder and longer than before. Then you also have the issue of EU games being too early for most NA people and NA games going too late for EU people that cut short the time that somebody that would watch could.
As for LotV, Req, the scene(at least in Korea) is largely in an off season type period, with only the KeSPA Cup going on. GSL, SSL, and SPL all finished withing the last week and a half.
One thing I hate about watching LoL is the insane delays between games When an sc2 caster tells you "don't go anywhere, we'll be right back" he means you have time to quickly grab something from the fridge and you shouldn't miss the start of the next game when an LoL caster says that you have time to make yourself some simple food, go to the toilet, read the forums and when you look back at the game it's gonna be at like 1:30 lol
On September 21 2016 21:11 Ketara wrote: But league is still first in total views.
Non-tournament viewership for DotA is still a drop in the bucket compared to League's. Dota viewership is driven pretty heavily by competitive play.
On September 21 2016 22:00 Gahlo wrote: By moving to a Bo3 and Bo2 format, there is more League on, but there's also more hours of bad teams playing.
Doesn't seem necessarily relevant, given that LCS means that bad teams make up a smaller portion of the teams in the event to begin with. With individually-run tournaments in other games, you might have 16-team tournaments that only have 2 "good" teams in them to begin with, but viewership still runs quite high.
LCS's schedule causing spectator burnout like Req experienced seems plausible to me.
The other thing is this - I know that people look to Twitch views, but honestly when I watch LCS now it's either streaming on Youtube or VODs on Youtube. There's no Twitch app for the PS3 and I haven't upgraded to 4 yet.
On September 21 2016 23:04 Requizen wrote: The other thing is this - I know that people look to Twitch views, but honestly when I watch LCS now it's either streaming on Youtube or VODs on Youtube. There's no Twitch app for the PS3 and I haven't upgraded to 4 yet.
You'd expect that to affect other games equally though, it's not like Riot is the only TO that uploads their VODs to Youtube. In fact, you'd expect that to affect weekend-tournament games *more* because for the typical person, it's easier to watch LCS games for like an hour every day rather than binge-watching 8 hours of a weekend tournament for DotA/CSGO, meaning the DotA/CSGO spectator "misses" more that they have to get from VODs.
On September 21 2016 23:04 Requizen wrote: The other thing is this - I know that people look to Twitch views, but honestly when I watch LCS now it's either streaming on Youtube or VODs on Youtube. There's no Twitch app for the PS3 and I haven't upgraded to 4 yet.
You'd expect that to affect other games equally though, it's not like Riot is the only TO that uploads their VODs to Youtube. In fact, you'd expect that to affect weekend-tournament games *more* because for the typical person, it's easier to watch LCS games for like an hour every day rather than binge-watching 8 hours of a weekend tournament for DotA/CSGO, meaning the DotA/CSGO spectator "misses" more that they have to get from VODs.
Stands to reason. I know among my friends LoL week to week viewership is pretty low but people are excited for Worlds.
LCS is also much more predictable than dota right now. and the pace of the game is pretty slow lately. yeah sloppy teams give up kills but the better the team the less fighting actually seems to happen.
starcraft also had tasteless so it was more fun to watch.
as a tangent point even when I didn't have time to actually watch sc2 tournaments, if there was a big tourney going on that weekend I would follow the standings and stuff and make time to watch the finals if someone I cared about was in them. And a couple times a week I would check in with the GSL and stuff like that even if I never stayed up to watch the games. With LoL I just cant work up the effort to care which could be a personal thing.
From the occasional sidebar numbers I've seen it seems like the numbers for non-competitive League streaming are increasing, especially with people like imaqtpie, Dyrus and Dom being regular streamers now. On the other hand LCS games sometimes barely break 100k while a couple years back even the worst games would be 200k+
On September 22 2016 00:16 Fildun wrote: From the occasional sidebar numbers I've seen it seems like the numbers for non-competitive League streaming are increasing, especially with people like imaqtpie, Dyrus and Dom being regular streamers now. On the other hand LCS games sometimes barely break 100k while a couple years back even the worst games would be 200k+
Yea definitely feels like there's been a shift to non-comp streams. Sure in the past non-comp streaming has always been big in league but the ratio seems to be changing.
Personally just got tired of league and the gameplay has become rather stale to me. There is hardly any excitement in LCS. Then they go and drag out LCS/Worlds for so long that it neuters anything left.
On September 22 2016 00:16 Fildun wrote: From the occasional sidebar numbers I've seen it seems like the numbers for non-competitive League streaming are increasing, especially with people like imaqtpie, Dyrus and Dom being regular streamers now. On the other hand LCS games sometimes barely break 100k while a couple years back even the worst games would be 200k+
Keep in mind that there's also more different language streams available and the Youtube channel has caught on as well. There was a thread on reddit a while back about the professional viewership isn't declining, or at least not hard, but instead spreading out over different sources.
On September 22 2016 00:16 Fildun wrote: From the occasional sidebar numbers I've seen it seems like the numbers for non-competitive League streaming are increasing, especially with people like imaqtpie, Dyrus and Dom being regular streamers now. On the other hand LCS games sometimes barely break 100k while a couple years back even the worst games would be 200k+
Keep in mind that there's also more different language streams available and the Youtube channel has caught on as well. There was a thread on reddit a while back about the professional viewership isn't declining, or at least not hard, but instead spreading out over different sources.
After seeing eu lcs barely breaking 50k it definitely seems to be declining. The youtube numbers aren't that big. Which isn't a surprise considering people are starting to realize the only thing that matters in the regular season is to get top 6. Sure there might be some interesting series but most of the time they aren't. That could easily be fixed with some format changes like only 1 split and a couple of more tournaments between the regions but Riot thinks that KR bopping kids would be worse.
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