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On March 25 2015 10:16 Ketara wrote:
I want to see the video where actual female streamers discuss this.
I linked it  if interested. its in 2 parts.
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On March 25 2015 10:23 Scip wrote:
Alright, I actually want to share my opinion on this general topic.
Firstly, this idea that the streamer girls are exploiting young men and getting money from them just because they are hot? At least partially true. So fucking what? Have these people heard of the porn industry? It's a fantastic fucking thing. There's nothing wrong with the concept of using your hot body to extract money from young men.
So I guess the entire argument is based around that it hurts the gaming industry, esports and "legitimate" streamers? If you're a legitimate streamer getting offended that Kaceytron has 18k more viewers than you, cry me a fucking river. What do you want to do, make Twitch decide camgirls are not okay? One of the best twitch streams I watched was Destiny building a lego starwars spaceship with his girlfriend, give me a fucking break, if that belongs on twitch then so does Kaceytron and scyx17 and all the other ones.
So what, is it hurting the gaming industry, making it look less legitimate in the eyes of jocks and mainstream population? They'd be fine with this idea of playing videogames or streaming professionally but then they see this camgirl with 10k viewers and think "oh wow, this reminds me of softcore porn from the 70's, this seems like a weird thing that I don't want to associate with"? Is this the "rape" discussion all over again when we have self righteous retards on a crusade of "gaming is a children's show let's not say any bad words and show any bad images, and forget that in call of duty you blow fucker's heads off, light them on fire with napalm, shoot fuckers dead in League of Legends and NUKE the fuck out of human bases in sc2 while listening to painful death screams of mariners and ghosts."?
edit: for fuck's sake, if the argument is that the camgirls encourage misogyny and harassment of women in the gaming community then I'm the fuck out of here
I mean, I hold the same position as you, but I do think it does encourages misogyny and harassment to a degree, but that's such a bullshit argument as to limit another person's 1st amendment rights.
it's like the whole "oh, i'm offended" bullshit, doesn't hold water in comparison to another person's freedom of speech.
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On March 25 2015 10:30 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 10:23 Scip wrote:
Alright, I actually want to share my opinion on this general topic.
Firstly, this idea that the streamer girls are exploiting young men and getting money from them just because they are hot? At least partially true. So fucking what? Have these people heard of the porn industry? It's a fantastic fucking thing. There's nothing wrong with the concept of using your hot body to extract money from young men.
So I guess the entire argument is based around that it hurts the gaming industry, esports and "legitimate" streamers? If you're a legitimate streamer getting offended that Kaceytron has 18k more viewers than you, cry me a fucking river. What do you want to do, make Twitch decide camgirls are not okay? One of the best twitch streams I watched was Destiny building a lego starwars spaceship with his girlfriend, give me a fucking break, if that belongs on twitch then so does Kaceytron and scyx17 and all the other ones.
So what, is it hurting the gaming industry, making it look less legitimate in the eyes of jocks and mainstream population? They'd be fine with this idea of playing videogames or streaming professionally but then they see this camgirl with 10k viewers and think "oh wow, this reminds me of softcore porn from the 70's, this seems like a weird thing that I don't want to associate with"? Is this the "rape" discussion all over again when we have self righteous retards on a crusade of "gaming is a children's show let's not say any bad words and show any bad images, and forget that in call of duty you blow fucker's heads off, light them on fire with napalm, shoot fuckers dead in League of Legends and NUKE the fuck out of human bases in sc2 while listening to painful death screams of mariners and ghosts."?
edit: for fuck's sake, if the argument is that the camgirls encourage misogyny and harassment of women in the gaming community then I'm the fuck out of here I mean, I hold the same position as you, but I do think it encourages misogyny and harassment, but that's such a bullshit argument as to limit another person's 1st amendment rights.
I'm not so sure it's that cut and dry, there's a bit of chicken+egg happening here.
Misogyny and harassment of women are already very prevalent in gaming, I don't know that Twitch's softer version of camwhoring is encouraging more of it, or just brings out what is already there(and exploits the other side of the coin).
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Yeah it's really similar to the "oh, I'm offended" argument.
It's dumb.
That TIE Fighter video, holy shit that's some cool shit.
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On March 25 2015 10:32 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 10:30 wei2coolman wrote:On March 25 2015 10:23 Scip wrote:
Alright, I actually want to share my opinion on this general topic.
Firstly, this idea that the streamer girls are exploiting young men and getting money from them just because they are hot? At least partially true. So fucking what? Have these people heard of the porn industry? It's a fantastic fucking thing. There's nothing wrong with the concept of using your hot body to extract money from young men.
So I guess the entire argument is based around that it hurts the gaming industry, esports and "legitimate" streamers? If you're a legitimate streamer getting offended that Kaceytron has 18k more viewers than you, cry me a fucking river. What do you want to do, make Twitch decide camgirls are not okay? One of the best twitch streams I watched was Destiny building a lego starwars spaceship with his girlfriend, give me a fucking break, if that belongs on twitch then so does Kaceytron and scyx17 and all the other ones.
So what, is it hurting the gaming industry, making it look less legitimate in the eyes of jocks and mainstream population? They'd be fine with this idea of playing videogames or streaming professionally but then they see this camgirl with 10k viewers and think "oh wow, this reminds me of softcore porn from the 70's, this seems like a weird thing that I don't want to associate with"? Is this the "rape" discussion all over again when we have self righteous retards on a crusade of "gaming is a children's show let's not say any bad words and show any bad images, and forget that in call of duty you blow fucker's heads off, light them on fire with napalm, shoot fuckers dead in League of Legends and NUKE the fuck out of human bases in sc2 while listening to painful death screams of mariners and ghosts."?
edit: for fuck's sake, if the argument is that the camgirls encourage misogyny and harassment of women in the gaming community then I'm the fuck out of here I mean, I hold the same position as you, but I do think it encourages misogyny and harassment, but that's such a bullshit argument as to limit another person's 1st amendment rights. I'm not so sure it's that cut and dry, there's a bit of chicken+egg happening here. Misogyny and harassment of women are already very prevalent in gaming, I don't know that Twitch's softer version of camwhoring is encouraging more of it, or just brings out what is already there(and exploits the other side of the coin).
it's a moot point when you come to realize that it shouldn't hold an ounce of water when compared to someone's right to entertain however they want.
it's literally as stupid as people saying "black people shouldn't eat fried chicken and watermelon in front of white folks, cuz it makes white people more racist." (literally the argument being made by some harvard grad black chick on an NPR article).
also, i thought the tie fighter vid was pretty meh, some of the animation seemed off to me.
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On March 25 2015 10:30 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 10:23 Scip wrote:
Alright, I actually want to share my opinion on this general topic.
Firstly, this idea that the streamer girls are exploiting young men and getting money from them just because they are hot? At least partially true. So fucking what? Have these people heard of the porn industry? It's a fantastic fucking thing. There's nothing wrong with the concept of using your hot body to extract money from young men.
So I guess the entire argument is based around that it hurts the gaming industry, esports and "legitimate" streamers? If you're a legitimate streamer getting offended that Kaceytron has 18k more viewers than you, cry me a fucking river. What do you want to do, make Twitch decide camgirls are not okay? One of the best twitch streams I watched was Destiny building a lego starwars spaceship with his girlfriend, give me a fucking break, if that belongs on twitch then so does Kaceytron and scyx17 and all the other ones.
So what, is it hurting the gaming industry, making it look less legitimate in the eyes of jocks and mainstream population? They'd be fine with this idea of playing videogames or streaming professionally but then they see this camgirl with 10k viewers and think "oh wow, this reminds me of softcore porn from the 70's, this seems like a weird thing that I don't want to associate with"? Is this the "rape" discussion all over again when we have self righteous retards on a crusade of "gaming is a children's show let's not say any bad words and show any bad images, and forget that in call of duty you blow fucker's heads off, light them on fire with napalm, shoot fuckers dead in League of Legends and NUKE the fuck out of human bases in sc2 while listening to painful death screams of mariners and ghosts."?
edit: for fuck's sake, if the argument is that the camgirls encourage misogyny and harassment of women in the gaming community then I'm the fuck out of here I mean, I hold the same position as you, but I do think it does encourages misogyny and harassment to a degree, but that's such a bullshit argument as to limit another person's 1st amendment rights. it's like the whole "oh, i'm offended" bullshit, doesn't hold water in comparison to another person's freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech is only in respect to persecution from the government.
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On March 25 2015 10:32 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 10:32 red_ wrote:On March 25 2015 10:30 wei2coolman wrote:On March 25 2015 10:23 Scip wrote:
Alright, I actually want to share my opinion on this general topic.
Firstly, this idea that the streamer girls are exploiting young men and getting money from them just because they are hot? At least partially true. So fucking what? Have these people heard of the porn industry? It's a fantastic fucking thing. There's nothing wrong with the concept of using your hot body to extract money from young men.
So I guess the entire argument is based around that it hurts the gaming industry, esports and "legitimate" streamers? If you're a legitimate streamer getting offended that Kaceytron has 18k more viewers than you, cry me a fucking river. What do you want to do, make Twitch decide camgirls are not okay? One of the best twitch streams I watched was Destiny building a lego starwars spaceship with his girlfriend, give me a fucking break, if that belongs on twitch then so does Kaceytron and scyx17 and all the other ones.
So what, is it hurting the gaming industry, making it look less legitimate in the eyes of jocks and mainstream population? They'd be fine with this idea of playing videogames or streaming professionally but then they see this camgirl with 10k viewers and think "oh wow, this reminds me of softcore porn from the 70's, this seems like a weird thing that I don't want to associate with"? Is this the "rape" discussion all over again when we have self righteous retards on a crusade of "gaming is a children's show let's not say any bad words and show any bad images, and forget that in call of duty you blow fucker's heads off, light them on fire with napalm, shoot fuckers dead in League of Legends and NUKE the fuck out of human bases in sc2 while listening to painful death screams of mariners and ghosts."?
edit: for fuck's sake, if the argument is that the camgirls encourage misogyny and harassment of women in the gaming community then I'm the fuck out of here I mean, I hold the same position as you, but I do think it encourages misogyny and harassment, but that's such a bullshit argument as to limit another person's 1st amendment rights. I'm not so sure it's that cut and dry, there's a bit of chicken+egg happening here. Misogyny and harassment of women are already very prevalent in gaming, I don't know that Twitch's softer version of camwhoring is encouraging more of it, or just brings out what is already there(and exploits the other side of the coin). it's a moot point when you come to realize that it shouldn't hold an ounce of water when compared to someone's right to entertain however they want. also, i thought the tie fighter vid was pretty meh, some of the animation seemed off to me.
Here's an interesting conversation wei.
In American law, in general your opinion on being offended vs. right of speech would be the right one.
But in European law, in general it would be the other way around.
Clearly this is why America is better.
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Are we going down that femin**i road of discussion here in OT.
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Even if I don't have the first amendment to stand on. It does not stop me from calling sky a hypocritical stream whore.
On March 25 2015 10:35 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 10:32 wei2coolman wrote:On March 25 2015 10:32 red_ wrote:On March 25 2015 10:30 wei2coolman wrote:On March 25 2015 10:23 Scip wrote:
Alright, I actually want to share my opinion on this general topic.
Firstly, this idea that the streamer girls are exploiting young men and getting money from them just because they are hot? At least partially true. So fucking what? Have these people heard of the porn industry? It's a fantastic fucking thing. There's nothing wrong with the concept of using your hot body to extract money from young men.
So I guess the entire argument is based around that it hurts the gaming industry, esports and "legitimate" streamers? If you're a legitimate streamer getting offended that Kaceytron has 18k more viewers than you, cry me a fucking river. What do you want to do, make Twitch decide camgirls are not okay? One of the best twitch streams I watched was Destiny building a lego starwars spaceship with his girlfriend, give me a fucking break, if that belongs on twitch then so does Kaceytron and scyx17 and all the other ones.
So what, is it hurting the gaming industry, making it look less legitimate in the eyes of jocks and mainstream population? They'd be fine with this idea of playing videogames or streaming professionally but then they see this camgirl with 10k viewers and think "oh wow, this reminds me of softcore porn from the 70's, this seems like a weird thing that I don't want to associate with"? Is this the "rape" discussion all over again when we have self righteous retards on a crusade of "gaming is a children's show let's not say any bad words and show any bad images, and forget that in call of duty you blow fucker's heads off, light them on fire with napalm, shoot fuckers dead in League of Legends and NUKE the fuck out of human bases in sc2 while listening to painful death screams of mariners and ghosts."?
edit: for fuck's sake, if the argument is that the camgirls encourage misogyny and harassment of women in the gaming community then I'm the fuck out of here I mean, I hold the same position as you, but I do think it encourages misogyny and harassment, but that's such a bullshit argument as to limit another person's 1st amendment rights. I'm not so sure it's that cut and dry, there's a bit of chicken+egg happening here. Misogyny and harassment of women are already very prevalent in gaming, I don't know that Twitch's softer version of camwhoring is encouraging more of it, or just brings out what is already there(and exploits the other side of the coin). it's a moot point when you come to realize that it shouldn't hold an ounce of water when compared to someone's right to entertain however they want. also, i thought the tie fighter vid was pretty meh, some of the animation seemed off to me. Here's an interesting conversation wei. In American law, in general your opinion on being offended vs. right of speech would be the right one. But in European law, in general it would be the other way around. Clearly this is why America is better.
You guys can keep WBC thank you. Its not that simple though fyi and it does not stop you from calling out shit. In Sweden its only stops you from saying Jews are filthy people not that Republicans are filthy people.
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On March 25 2015 10:36 crimethinking wrote:
Are we going down that femin**i road of discussion here in OT.
mostly just laughing at how many feet sky can stuff into his mouth at the same time. its a lot.
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On March 25 2015 10:35 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 10:32 wei2coolman wrote:On March 25 2015 10:32 red_ wrote:On March 25 2015 10:30 wei2coolman wrote:On March 25 2015 10:23 Scip wrote:
Alright, I actually want to share my opinion on this general topic.
Firstly, this idea that the streamer girls are exploiting young men and getting money from them just because they are hot? At least partially true. So fucking what? Have these people heard of the porn industry? It's a fantastic fucking thing. There's nothing wrong with the concept of using your hot body to extract money from young men.
So I guess the entire argument is based around that it hurts the gaming industry, esports and "legitimate" streamers? If you're a legitimate streamer getting offended that Kaceytron has 18k more viewers than you, cry me a fucking river. What do you want to do, make Twitch decide camgirls are not okay? One of the best twitch streams I watched was Destiny building a lego starwars spaceship with his girlfriend, give me a fucking break, if that belongs on twitch then so does Kaceytron and scyx17 and all the other ones.
So what, is it hurting the gaming industry, making it look less legitimate in the eyes of jocks and mainstream population? They'd be fine with this idea of playing videogames or streaming professionally but then they see this camgirl with 10k viewers and think "oh wow, this reminds me of softcore porn from the 70's, this seems like a weird thing that I don't want to associate with"? Is this the "rape" discussion all over again when we have self righteous retards on a crusade of "gaming is a children's show let's not say any bad words and show any bad images, and forget that in call of duty you blow fucker's heads off, light them on fire with napalm, shoot fuckers dead in League of Legends and NUKE the fuck out of human bases in sc2 while listening to painful death screams of mariners and ghosts."?
edit: for fuck's sake, if the argument is that the camgirls encourage misogyny and harassment of women in the gaming community then I'm the fuck out of here I mean, I hold the same position as you, but I do think it encourages misogyny and harassment, but that's such a bullshit argument as to limit another person's 1st amendment rights. I'm not so sure it's that cut and dry, there's a bit of chicken+egg happening here. Misogyny and harassment of women are already very prevalent in gaming, I don't know that Twitch's softer version of camwhoring is encouraging more of it, or just brings out what is already there(and exploits the other side of the coin). it's a moot point when you come to realize that it shouldn't hold an ounce of water when compared to someone's right to entertain however they want. also, i thought the tie fighter vid was pretty meh, some of the animation seemed off to me. Here's an interesting conversation wei. In American law, in general your opinion on being offended vs. right of speech would be the right one. But in European law, in general it would be the other way around. Clearly this is why America is better.
And this is why, as retarded as America is on the other 99% of issues compared to first world countries. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
On March 25 2015 10:34 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 10:30 wei2coolman wrote:On March 25 2015 10:23 Scip wrote:
Alright, I actually want to share my opinion on this general topic.
Firstly, this idea that the streamer girls are exploiting young men and getting money from them just because they are hot? At least partially true. So fucking what? Have these people heard of the porn industry? It's a fantastic fucking thing. There's nothing wrong with the concept of using your hot body to extract money from young men.
So I guess the entire argument is based around that it hurts the gaming industry, esports and "legitimate" streamers? If you're a legitimate streamer getting offended that Kaceytron has 18k more viewers than you, cry me a fucking river. What do you want to do, make Twitch decide camgirls are not okay? One of the best twitch streams I watched was Destiny building a lego starwars spaceship with his girlfriend, give me a fucking break, if that belongs on twitch then so does Kaceytron and scyx17 and all the other ones.
So what, is it hurting the gaming industry, making it look less legitimate in the eyes of jocks and mainstream population? They'd be fine with this idea of playing videogames or streaming professionally but then they see this camgirl with 10k viewers and think "oh wow, this reminds me of softcore porn from the 70's, this seems like a weird thing that I don't want to associate with"? Is this the "rape" discussion all over again when we have self righteous retards on a crusade of "gaming is a children's show let's not say any bad words and show any bad images, and forget that in call of duty you blow fucker's heads off, light them on fire with napalm, shoot fuckers dead in League of Legends and NUKE the fuck out of human bases in sc2 while listening to painful death screams of mariners and ghosts."?
edit: for fuck's sake, if the argument is that the camgirls encourage misogyny and harassment of women in the gaming community then I'm the fuck out of here I mean, I hold the same position as you, but I do think it does encourages misogyny and harassment to a degree, but that's such a bullshit argument as to limit another person's 1st amendment rights. it's like the whole "oh, i'm offended" bullshit, doesn't hold water in comparison to another person's freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is only in respect to persecution from the government.
The idea of freedom of speech was created under similar idea, should be respected throughout society, not just a "law".
On March 25 2015 10:37 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 10:36 crimethinking wrote:
Are we going down that femin**i road of discussion here in OT. mostly just laughing at how many feet sky can stuff into his mouth at the same time. its a lot.
is that supposed to be a gay joke?
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On March 25 2015 10:36 Eppa! wrote:
Even if I don't have the first amendment to stand on. It does not stop me from calling sky a hypocritical stream whore.
This is so true though.
For somebody who is calling girls out for manipulating "thirsty guys", Sky really does try hard to live up the gay black man persona.
I think Sky is hilarious though, he's one of my favorite streamers.
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I just realized that LOL casters in general look way dreamier than Dota casters.
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On March 25 2015 10:40 crimethinking wrote:
I just realized that LOL casters in general look way dreamier than Dota casters.
And Dota casters in general are way better casters who aren't asked to be on camera very often.
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On March 25 2015 10:40 crimethinking wrote:
I just realized that LOL casters in general look way dreamier than Dota casters.
Monte, and Kobe pretty much bumping up the average quite a bit there.
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On March 25 2015 10:40 crimethinking wrote:
I just realized that LOL casters in general look way dreamier than Dota casters.
dota caster's weren't chosen and crowded out by a company focused on image.they generally became casters (in the west at least) through dedication over years. or in some cases, because of radio backgrounds.
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On March 25 2015 10:43 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 10:40 crimethinking wrote:
I just realized that LOL casters in general look way dreamier than Dota casters. dota caster's weren't chosen and crowded out by a company focused on image.they generally became casters (in the west at least) through dedication over years. or in some cases, because of radio backgrounds.
Then explain Fish, Chobra, DoA, and Monte.
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On March 25 2015 10:46 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 10:43 PrinceXizor wrote:On March 25 2015 10:40 crimethinking wrote:
I just realized that LOL casters in general look way dreamier than Dota casters. dota caster's weren't chosen and crowded out by a company focused on image.they generally became casters (in the west at least) through dedication over years. or in some cases, because of radio backgrounds. Then explain Fish, Chobra, DoA, and Monte.
the... the only casters not employed by riot?
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On March 25 2015 10:43 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 10:40 crimethinking wrote:
I just realized that LOL casters in general look way dreamier than Dota casters. dota caster's weren't chosen and crowded out by a company focused on image.they generally became casters (in the west at least) through dedication over years. or in some cases, because of radio backgrounds.
I mean...Riot DID destroy the amateur casting scene completely. I should know.
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On March 25 2015 10:42 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 10:40 crimethinking wrote:
I just realized that LOL casters in general look way dreamier than Dota casters. Monte, and Kobe pretty much bumping up the average quite a bit there.
Monte and Riv are great. Only 7ckingMad from Dota can match the look of LOL casters.
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