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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 15:51:22
January 07 2015 15:51 GMT
#78101
Also, holy shit this shooting in France
RIP in pepperoni
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 15:52:48
January 07 2015 15:52 GMT
#78102
On January 08 2015 00:51 Scip wrote:
Also, holy shit this shooting in France
RIP in pepperoni


yup it's pretty brutal =/

like, I'm all for people following whatever faiths they want - but these extremists can fuck right off
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 07 2015 16:01 GMT
#78103
On January 08 2015 00:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Alaric, I know I make fun of you frenchies a lot, but my condolences to the frenchies who knew anyone at Charle Hebdo

There's a bunch of matter to make fun of French people in the thread, more or less dryly. Personally I'm more thinking about the fact that it's one of the first attacks (if not the first) related to terrorism and not an isolated individual. Also that I don't read the newspaper as much as I ought to.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 16:07:52
January 07 2015 16:07 GMT
#78104
On January 08 2015 00:40 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 00:37 phyvo wrote:
On January 08 2015 00:02 mordek wrote:
On January 07 2015 23:42 phyvo wrote:
One of the many things I don't like about heroes of the storm is that the questing system feels WAAAY worse than in Hearthstone. Now, I don't like quests in hearthstone, but games are so much faster and stupid joke decks so much easier that it's not so bad. But being forced to play a hero I don't want to feels awful and if you ignore quests you basically don't earn currency at all, so you can hardly ever play the thing you want to play and earn currency at the same time. Not to mention that someone mathed it out and you actually earn new champions faster in League than in Heroes.

The other thing that gets me when I play Heroes is that it has so many borrowed assets I feel like I'm still playing SC2. Then all I can do is ask "Why am I playing this instead of an actually free custom SC2 map?"

Except there are quests just to play games with a role as opposed to the infuriating "I just need one more win with this class to finish two quests" and go 0-5.


Classes and roles are more or less analogous (you can have very different decks within classes), but I'll admit that the play rather than win thing is nice. If you did the exact same thing in HS though people could quest by conceding or suiciding themselves and that would be broken. At least, more broken than the current situation where people farm the bottom ranks.

Again, I don't actually like quests, I just think they work better in hearthstone.

What's not to like? Would you prefer normal games just rewarded more gold or something?


Pretty much. Quests tell you how to play and I'd prefer just to play whatever I want whenever I want however long I want and get rewarded for it. In this regard I like LoL's system a lot.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 07 2015 16:12 GMT
#78105
On January 08 2015 00:40 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 00:37 phyvo wrote:
On January 08 2015 00:02 mordek wrote:
On January 07 2015 23:42 phyvo wrote:
One of the many things I don't like about heroes of the storm is that the questing system feels WAAAY worse than in Hearthstone. Now, I don't like quests in hearthstone, but games are so much faster and stupid joke decks so much easier that it's not so bad. But being forced to play a hero I don't want to feels awful and if you ignore quests you basically don't earn currency at all, so you can hardly ever play the thing you want to play and earn currency at the same time. Not to mention that someone mathed it out and you actually earn new champions faster in League than in Heroes.

The other thing that gets me when I play Heroes is that it has so many borrowed assets I feel like I'm still playing SC2. Then all I can do is ask "Why am I playing this instead of an actually free custom SC2 map?"

Except there are quests just to play games with a role as opposed to the infuriating "I just need one more win with this class to finish two quests" and go 0-5.


Classes and roles are more or less analogous (you can have very different decks within classes), but I'll admit that the play rather than win thing is nice. If you did the exact same thing in HS though people could quest by conceding or suiciding themselves and that would be broken. At least, more broken than the current situation where people farm the bottom ranks.

Again, I don't actually like quests, I just think they work better in hearthstone.

What's not to like? Would you prefer normal games just rewarded more gold or something?


My primary gripe is that the vast majority of gold income in Hearthstone and Heroes is tied to quests. On average a quest in Hearthstone is worth as much gold as 15 wins. If you assume 10 minute games with a 50% win rate, then it takes five hours of play to match a single quest. That's pretty extreme and the last time I checked/cared the disparity was even worse in Heroes.

There's also the simple unfun nature of being forced to do something you don't want to do. This is particularly demotivating when you have a limited amount of time to play and have to spend the bulk of it in this fashion.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 07 2015 16:15 GMT
#78106
Ok, you two convinced me I would prefer it that way. In my view, it's a f2p hoop which, while inconvenient, fits the mindset of those types of players. Otherwise you'd spend money on what you wanted to play, aka what Blizzard wants.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 07 2015 16:21 GMT
#78107
Holy fucking shit there is some disturbing imagery going around of the Charlie Hebdo stuff. One of our more controversial online blogs has a vid of a cop being executed point blank by the terrorists with a fucking AK.

I do hope there's going to be a second Draw Muhammad Day now.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 07 2015 16:22 GMT
#78108
On January 08 2015 01:21 Doctorbeat wrote:
Holy fucking shit there is some disturbing imagery going around of the Charlie Hebdo stuff. One of our more controversial online blogs has a vid of a cop being executed point blank by the terrorists with a fucking AK.

I do hope there's going to be a second Draw Muhammad Day now.


I think I read that he might still be alive. When I watched it, there seemed to be a surprising lack of blood for such an up close shot, and in rewatching, it kinda seems like the terrorist missed.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 16:23:42
January 07 2015 16:22 GMT
#78109
In other gaming news WoD is both ridiculously fun and ridiculously undercooked.

  • Flex Raiding is the greatest quality of life improvement in any game ever.
  • Garrisons are a lot of fun.
  • But there's nothing to do when you aren't raiding because there's no point in doing dungeons for gear when you're already getting raid gear, and all other methods of gearing up consume very little time (professions, Apexis, Garrison quests).
  • Unless you like WoW-Pokemon (I don't care).
  • Speaking of professions, I'm kind of sad that there's basically nothing worthwhile to craft outside of raid gear, and no way to skill up outside of crafting raid gear.
  • Basically if I wasn't leveling alts for massive exploitation of garrisons I'd be bored to tears when I wasn't raiding.
  • Good thing I'm an altoholic.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
January 07 2015 16:24 GMT
#78110
On January 08 2015 01:21 Doctorbeat wrote:
Holy fucking shit there is some disturbing imagery going around of the Charlie Hebdo stuff. One of our more controversial online blogs has a vid of a cop being executed point blank by the terrorists with a fucking AK.

I do hope there's going to be a second Draw Muhammad Day now.

I'm not really convinced that a good response to someone harming others for their faith should be antagonizing everyone of that faith.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 07 2015 16:28 GMT
#78111
I'm on the same page, Seuss. I don't have time for raiding, and there's not any alts I particularly feel like leveling, so there's not much for me this expansion. Which is sad, because I feel like the gameplay is really tight in Warlords and some of the encounters are really cool. Maybe I'd do PvP if it wasn't such a grind.
It's your boy Guzma!
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 16:29:05
January 07 2015 16:28 GMT
#78112
The entire situation of the shooting makes me angry.

Req, play TOR, alts have their own class story!
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 16:40:04
January 07 2015 16:34 GMT
#78113
On January 08 2015 01:24 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 01:21 Doctorbeat wrote:
Holy fucking shit there is some disturbing imagery going around of the Charlie Hebdo stuff. One of our more controversial online blogs has a vid of a cop being executed point blank by the terrorists with a fucking AK.

I do hope there's going to be a second Draw Muhammad Day now.

I'm not really convinced that a good response to someone harming others for their faith should be antagonizing everyone of that faith.

oh no, god forbid we offend moderates by comical pictures of Muhammad, we wouldn't want to insult reasonable law abiding citizens
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
vvSiegvv
Profile Joined March 2010
United States364 Posts
January 07 2015 16:35 GMT
#78114
In totally unrelated news today I payed off my first major student loan. \o/
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
January 07 2015 16:46 GMT
#78115
On January 08 2015 01:34 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 01:24 ComaDose wrote:
On January 08 2015 01:21 Doctorbeat wrote:
Holy fucking shit there is some disturbing imagery going around of the Charlie Hebdo stuff. One of our more controversial online blogs has a vid of a cop being executed point blank by the terrorists with a fucking AK.

I do hope there's going to be a second Draw Muhammad Day now.

I'm not really convinced that a good response to someone harming others for their faith should be antagonizing everyone of that faith.

oh no, god forbid we offend moderates by comical pictures of Muhammad, we wouldn't want to insult reasonable law abiding citizens

I just mean rallying people to do something that a quarter of the population of the planet find offensive is probably not fixing any problems.

like you wouldn't like it if people were rallying to make the media more PC... oh.... sorry dude.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 07 2015 16:54 GMT
#78116
youre letting the terrorists win mang
cant do that
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
January 07 2015 16:56 GMT
#78117
On January 08 2015 01:12 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 00:40 mordek wrote:
On January 08 2015 00:37 phyvo wrote:
On January 08 2015 00:02 mordek wrote:
On January 07 2015 23:42 phyvo wrote:
One of the many things I don't like about heroes of the storm is that the questing system feels WAAAY worse than in Hearthstone. Now, I don't like quests in hearthstone, but games are so much faster and stupid joke decks so much easier that it's not so bad. But being forced to play a hero I don't want to feels awful and if you ignore quests you basically don't earn currency at all, so you can hardly ever play the thing you want to play and earn currency at the same time. Not to mention that someone mathed it out and you actually earn new champions faster in League than in Heroes.

The other thing that gets me when I play Heroes is that it has so many borrowed assets I feel like I'm still playing SC2. Then all I can do is ask "Why am I playing this instead of an actually free custom SC2 map?"

Except there are quests just to play games with a role as opposed to the infuriating "I just need one more win with this class to finish two quests" and go 0-5.


Classes and roles are more or less analogous (you can have very different decks within classes), but I'll admit that the play rather than win thing is nice. If you did the exact same thing in HS though people could quest by conceding or suiciding themselves and that would be broken. At least, more broken than the current situation where people farm the bottom ranks.

Again, I don't actually like quests, I just think they work better in hearthstone.

What's not to like? Would you prefer normal games just rewarded more gold or something?


My primary gripe is that the vast majority of gold income in Hearthstone and Heroes is tied to quests. On average a quest in Hearthstone is worth as much gold as 15 wins. If you assume 10 minute games with a 50% win rate, then it takes five hours of play to match a single quest. That's pretty extreme and the last time I checked/cared the disparity was even worse in Heroes.

There's also the simple unfun nature of being forced to do something you don't want to do. This is particularly demotivating when you have a limited amount of time to play and have to spend the bulk of it in this fashion.


Seuss hits the reason that I don't like Hearthstone right on the head.

My other big problem is that you don't get anything for losing a game. That might sound weird when you just say it, but in EVERYTHING ELSE you get something for a loss. In LoL you still get IP, and in MMOs you still get EXP or whatever.

If you got 10 dust for every 3 losses I'd probably like Hearthstone a lot more, because as is if I play it and have a long, close game where I end up losing, I typically immediately turn the game off and don't play it for the rest of the day.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 07 2015 16:56 GMT
#78118
On January 08 2015 01:46 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 01:34 Scip wrote:
On January 08 2015 01:24 ComaDose wrote:
On January 08 2015 01:21 Doctorbeat wrote:
Holy fucking shit there is some disturbing imagery going around of the Charlie Hebdo stuff. One of our more controversial online blogs has a vid of a cop being executed point blank by the terrorists with a fucking AK.

I do hope there's going to be a second Draw Muhammad Day now.

I'm not really convinced that a good response to someone harming others for their faith should be antagonizing everyone of that faith.

oh no, god forbid we offend moderates by comical pictures of Muhammad, we wouldn't want to insult reasonable law abiding citizens

I just mean rallying people to do something that a quarter of the population of the planet find offensive is probably not fixing any problems.

like you wouldn't like it if people were rallying to make the media more PC... oh.... sorry dude.


But the thing is, the terrorists attacked because they found these images offensive. So complying to their wishes only shows them that they have power over us. It's a really touchy balance, sure, but removing [what they deem to be] offensive content because some dumb fucks get butt hurt over it is only letting them win.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 07 2015 16:59 GMT
#78119
Or, both sides stop being dicks. Granted, one side is a larger asshole.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 07 2015 17:00 GMT
#78120
On January 08 2015 01:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 01:46 ComaDose wrote:
On January 08 2015 01:34 Scip wrote:
On January 08 2015 01:24 ComaDose wrote:
On January 08 2015 01:21 Doctorbeat wrote:
Holy fucking shit there is some disturbing imagery going around of the Charlie Hebdo stuff. One of our more controversial online blogs has a vid of a cop being executed point blank by the terrorists with a fucking AK.

I do hope there's going to be a second Draw Muhammad Day now.

I'm not really convinced that a good response to someone harming others for their faith should be antagonizing everyone of that faith.

oh no, god forbid we offend moderates by comical pictures of Muhammad, we wouldn't want to insult reasonable law abiding citizens

I just mean rallying people to do something that a quarter of the population of the planet find offensive is probably not fixing any problems.

like you wouldn't like it if people were rallying to make the media more PC... oh.... sorry dude.


But the thing is, the terrorists attacked because they found these images offensive. So complying to their wishes only shows them that they have power over us. It's a really touchy balance, sure, but removing [what they deem to be] offensive content because some dumb fucks get butt hurt over it is only letting them win.

"Letting the terrorists win" is a pretty dumb concept imo. Risking further bloodshed and insulting an entire people just to spite a handful of extremists is a petty move on the whole.

I'm all for freedom of speech, but if not printing Muhammad's is more polite and decreases the chances of further terrorist actions, then that seems like the more logical action, no?
It's your boy Guzma!
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