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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 07 2015 14:34 GMT
#78081
The main problem with Heroes is that it's way more boring solo. It's even more team-oriented than LoL/DotA because of its huge focus on objectives and shared exp (and minimal means of individual advancement), but the standard mode for play is still queuing solo. If you have a bunch of friends to play with all the time it's great, otherwise you feel even more at the mercy of your team than even LoL and DotA.

Also the currency design for Heroes was horrible when I gave up on it. A single daily quest gave more gold than an entire evening's play. It made actually playing the game past finishing quests feel unrewarding.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 07 2015 14:34 GMT
#78082
On January 07 2015 23:34 Seuss wrote:
The main problem with Heroes is that it's way more boring solo. It's even more team-oriented than LoL/DotA because of its huge focus on objectives and shared exp (and minimal means of individual advancement), but the standard mode for play is still queuing solo. If you have a bunch of friends to play with all the time it's great, otherwise you feel even more at the mercy of your team than even LoL and DotA.

Also the currency design for Heroes was horrible when I gave up on it. A single daily quest gave more gold than an entire evening's play. It made actually playing the game past finishing quests feel unrewarding.


I played like 3 games with wave, and not once did he go for an objective.

So yeah, I revert to my previous point.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
January 07 2015 14:37 GMT
#78083
Celial why you Zyra flair? I meant to be the only one !
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 07 2015 14:38 GMT
#78084
On January 07 2015 23:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 23:34 Seuss wrote:
The main problem with Heroes is that it's way more boring solo. It's even more team-oriented than LoL/DotA because of its huge focus on objectives and shared exp (and minimal means of individual advancement), but the standard mode for play is still queuing solo. If you have a bunch of friends to play with all the time it's great, otherwise you feel even more at the mercy of your team than even LoL and DotA.

Also the currency design for Heroes was horrible when I gave up on it. A single daily quest gave more gold than an entire evening's play. It made actually playing the game past finishing quests feel unrewarding.


I played like 3 games with wave, and not once did he go for an objective.

So yeah, I revert to my previous point.

I played a whole bunch of games weeks before playing with you Soniv and was very objective focused; it just wasn't fun. When I played with you I played how I felt like playing that night.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
January 07 2015 14:41 GMT
#78085
Sometimes i feel like playing bad too
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snap! im jk
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
January 07 2015 14:42 GMT
#78086
One of the many things I don't like about heroes of the storm is that the questing system feels WAAAY worse than in Hearthstone. Now, I don't like quests in hearthstone, but games are so much faster and stupid joke decks so much easier that it's not so bad. But being forced to play a hero I don't want to feels awful and if you ignore quests you basically don't earn currency at all, so you can hardly ever play the thing you want to play and earn currency at the same time. Not to mention that someone mathed it out and you actually earn new champions faster in League than in Heroes.

The other thing that gets me when I play Heroes is that it has so many borrowed assets I feel like I'm still playing SC2. Then all I can do is ask "Why am I playing this instead of an actually free custom SC2 map?"
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
January 07 2015 14:53 GMT
#78087
Yeah it wasn't hard to math out that new champs in Heroes take longer/more games than league its a huge disparity for the most expensive champs. Everything outside of game is shit; choosing your character before you know who will be on your team especially.

In game is pretty fun tho. while more team/objective oriented, games always sucked when a teammate throws. Around the time of the initial alpha release we used to get 3,4,5 people from the liquid channel in game to stack up pretty easy which made a huge difference.

I would love to stack up with you sometimes mordek but I lost access to the account that I had it on. Might start from scratch on my account in the beta and then we can meet up sometime.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
January 07 2015 14:57 GMT
#78088
I only played a couple of games, but it felt like there was little feedback on my own actions. If I do well in league I have immediate individual rewards, but in heroes with everything shared the individual impact is harder to detect.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 07 2015 15:02 GMT
#78089
The relatively higher cost of heroes didn't bother me in the early alpha because there was nothing else to buy. Then they added an equivalent to runes and I just flipped the table.

"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 15:03:28
January 07 2015 15:02 GMT
#78090
On January 07 2015 23:42 phyvo wrote:
One of the many things I don't like about heroes of the storm is that the questing system feels WAAAY worse than in Hearthstone. Now, I don't like quests in hearthstone, but games are so much faster and stupid joke decks so much easier that it's not so bad. But being forced to play a hero I don't want to feels awful and if you ignore quests you basically don't earn currency at all, so you can hardly ever play the thing you want to play and earn currency at the same time. Not to mention that someone mathed it out and you actually earn new champions faster in League than in Heroes.

The other thing that gets me when I play Heroes is that it has so many borrowed assets I feel like I'm still playing SC2. Then all I can do is ask "Why am I playing this instead of an actually free custom SC2 map?"

Except there are quests just to play games with a role as opposed to the infuriating "I just need one more win with this class to finish two quests" and go 0-5.

Granted I almost never solo queue so I think Monte may have a good point (as always )

A lot of the critique beyond gameplay has to be considered in light of still in Alpha too lol
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 15:07:36
January 07 2015 15:07 GMT
#78091
On January 07 2015 23:57 Prog wrote:
I only played a couple of games, but it felt like there was little feedback on my own actions. If I do well in league I have immediate individual rewards, but in heroes with everything shared the individual impact is harder to detect.

I understand what you say, but I feel the individual impact is decent actually. Beyond the very first levels, spells have a fair manacost and health is not endless, so your worth is always impacted if you miss spells or take unecessary damage.
It's not as feedbacky, but more direct in an adequate manner.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 07 2015 15:17 GMT
#78092
Now, to find out what these error codes actually mean on the mobo so I don't have a $900 paperweight.
fishboi
Profile Joined January 2015
5 Posts
January 07 2015 15:18 GMT
#78093
can you buy HotS Keys somewhere or do you have to wait until you get one?
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
January 07 2015 15:23 GMT
#78094
On January 08 2015 00:18 fishboi wrote:
can you buy HotS Keys somewhere or do you have to wait until you get one?

as far as i understand they are still adding/unlocking it for accounts and not giving out keys.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 07 2015 15:30 GMT
#78095
Alaric, I know I make fun of you frenchies a lot, but my condolences to the frenchies who knew anyone at Charle Hebdo
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
January 07 2015 15:37 GMT
#78096
On January 08 2015 00:02 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 23:42 phyvo wrote:
One of the many things I don't like about heroes of the storm is that the questing system feels WAAAY worse than in Hearthstone. Now, I don't like quests in hearthstone, but games are so much faster and stupid joke decks so much easier that it's not so bad. But being forced to play a hero I don't want to feels awful and if you ignore quests you basically don't earn currency at all, so you can hardly ever play the thing you want to play and earn currency at the same time. Not to mention that someone mathed it out and you actually earn new champions faster in League than in Heroes.

The other thing that gets me when I play Heroes is that it has so many borrowed assets I feel like I'm still playing SC2. Then all I can do is ask "Why am I playing this instead of an actually free custom SC2 map?"

Except there are quests just to play games with a role as opposed to the infuriating "I just need one more win with this class to finish two quests" and go 0-5.


Classes and roles are more or less analogous (you can have very different decks within classes), but I'll admit that the play rather than win thing is nice. If you did the exact same thing in HS though people could quest by conceding or suiciding themselves and that would be broken. At least, more broken than the current situation where people farm the bottom ranks.

Again, I don't actually like quests, I just think they work better in hearthstone.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 07 2015 15:40 GMT
#78097
On January 08 2015 00:37 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 00:02 mordek wrote:
On January 07 2015 23:42 phyvo wrote:
One of the many things I don't like about heroes of the storm is that the questing system feels WAAAY worse than in Hearthstone. Now, I don't like quests in hearthstone, but games are so much faster and stupid joke decks so much easier that it's not so bad. But being forced to play a hero I don't want to feels awful and if you ignore quests you basically don't earn currency at all, so you can hardly ever play the thing you want to play and earn currency at the same time. Not to mention that someone mathed it out and you actually earn new champions faster in League than in Heroes.

The other thing that gets me when I play Heroes is that it has so many borrowed assets I feel like I'm still playing SC2. Then all I can do is ask "Why am I playing this instead of an actually free custom SC2 map?"

Except there are quests just to play games with a role as opposed to the infuriating "I just need one more win with this class to finish two quests" and go 0-5.


Classes and roles are more or less analogous (you can have very different decks within classes), but I'll admit that the play rather than win thing is nice. If you did the exact same thing in HS though people could quest by conceding or suiciding themselves and that would be broken. At least, more broken than the current situation where people farm the bottom ranks.

Again, I don't actually like quests, I just think they work better in hearthstone.

What's not to like? Would you prefer normal games just rewarded more gold or something?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 07 2015 15:45 GMT
#78098
I'm afraid to venture out into the rest of LL and see what new people have brought to this place.
It's your boy Guzma!
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
January 07 2015 15:49 GMT
#78099
I keep trying to use the main site and getting confused when my subscribed threads from the lol subforum have posts ive already read marked as unread. Did they ever figure that our for the general section on liquid dota?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 07 2015 15:49 GMT
#78100
Weeee, only 1 error code to go!
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