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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On December 14 2014 06:08 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Yeah, unstable portal snagged Tyrion twice in a row against me one game. It's totally rigged x.x Does he pay his debts? Also, apparently you can Shadow Madness-Recombobulator. Holy shit. The end of belchers. Shrinkmeister a Ysera, Shadow Madness, Recombobulator. Winning. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
wasn't UTH changed from 2 to 3 a while ago? | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 14 2014 06:15 Frolossus wrote: i don't think any 2 mana card should have the potential to outright win you the game wasn't UTH changed from 2 to 3 a while ago? there are so many 2 cost cards that n the right circumstances just win you the game. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On December 14 2014 06:18 PrinceXizor wrote: there are so many 2 cost cards that n the right circumstances just win you the game. almost all of them can be played around unstable portal is drop->win game | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 14 2014 06:18 PrinceXizor wrote: there are so many 2 cost cards that n the right circumstances just win you the game. The right circumstances is the key. Unstable portal basically requires no circumstances to instantly win you the game sometimes. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 14 2014 06:49 Zdrastochye wrote: "Win you the game sometimes" is still only just a sometimes. It's up to Blizz to see if it's hiking up Mage's winrate too much or if despite it being strong doesn't unbalance the game. I mean, as with many other things in GvG, it's not just the impact, but how the randomness of the outcome is too high relative to the impact of the effect. I'm not sure why Blizzard considers this to be good for the game, especially when the community had a thorough discussion about this issue when Tinkmaster/Pagle were staples of constructed play. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 14 2014 07:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Pretty sure blizzard made their stance on rng pretty clear recently, and it was that the best players play around it or some such jive. That seems contrary to unstable portal design lol. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
The thing with Unstable Portal is that it's random component has zero direct interaction with the board state while having high inherent randomness. Because of this, there's no real way to "control" the randomness of Unstable Portal the way you can with other cards because what happens on the board doesn't affect what Unstable Portal does (whereas something like Mad Bomber can be controlled by altering the state of the board). | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On December 14 2014 07:47 TheYango wrote: That's only really possible if the impact and variance of a card's effect are in line with one another though, especially when good play from one side or another affects the randomness in a way that reduces the variance. The thing with Unstable Portal is that it's random component has zero direct interaction with the board state while having high inherent randomness. Because of this, there's no real way to "control" the randomness of Unstable Portal the way you can with other cards because what happens on the board doesn't affect what Unstable Portal does (whereas something like Mad Bomber can be controlled by altering the state of the board). But is this effect so detrimental that they should redesign the spell? I'm not going to argue that it's true it has no counterplay with high randomness, but does is destroy the game's balance so much that it needs to be fixed? I'm still not convinced. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's just getting flak now because it's what people are losing to. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 14 2014 07:58 Zdrastochye wrote: But is this effect so detrimental that they should redesign the spell? I'm not going to argue that it's true it has no counterplay with high randomness, but does is destroy the game's balance so much that it needs to be fixed? I'm still not convinced. The games balance doesn't matter. Nat pagle didn't destroy the games balance but it created experiences which were detrimental to the games themselves. They redesigned the card because of this. They nerfed Freeze mage because of non-interaction games not because it was overpowered. Unstable portal is the same as both of these situations in that it's non-interactive and it creates experiences that they said they don't want. Seems they either didn't learn from these situations or just don't care anymore. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 14 2014 08:01 Zdrastochye wrote: Has GvG been thoroughly studied enough to call the impact of the GvG cards overall detrimental to the game by basing the game in more RNG then what is playable. I don't see why the set needs to be "thoroughly studied" when a lot of the argument against high-variance high-impact RNG cards is that they're superficially un-fun to play with/against. It's precisely the knee-jerk/face value assessment of these cards and NOT the long-term evaluation that makes them un-fun and poorly designed. That's the realization that WotC made that started steering them away from those kind of card designs in Magic. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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