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See that shit is just bullshit. Why is this in the game? I lose to fatigue while having complete board control due to his unstable portal getting one of the 2 cards that would win him the game.
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
See that shit is just bullshit. Why is this in the game? I lose to fatigue while having complete board control due to his unstable portal getting one of the 2 cards that would win him the game. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Obviously this is a specific example, but the idea is that is has huge impact (and you can mulligan for it) on the early turns, and can still be useful later on. Heck, considering it's expected value, it's not even a bad top deck (which Undertaker is, for example). It's also mostly "free", in that the drawbacks are pretty weak, it doesn't require setup, it's a 1 for 1, etc. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Am i wrong? | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 14 2014 08:05 TheYango wrote: I don't see why the set needs to be "thoroughly studied" when a lot of the argument against high-variance high-impact RNG cards is that they're superficially un-fun to play with/against. It's precisely the knee-jerk/face value assessment of these cards and NOT the long-term evaluation that makes them un-fun and poorly designed. That's the realization that WotC made that started steering them away from those kind of card designs in Magic. It also doesn't help that the format doesn't allow for longer games (bigger decks) to smooth out RNG impacts. On December 14 2014 08:29 Capped wrote: I havent bothered with hearthstone since pre-GvG because it looked like utter RNG garbage. Am i wrong? The problem isn't RNG, the problem is how much impact the RNG has due to lack of length of play. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 14 2014 08:24 Dark_Chill wrote: It feels weird that the only card that can counter spells in the game is a mage card. Not really, with the way the game works the only classes that would be able to do it are trap classes. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
I get that card games are quite heavily based on RNG inherently, but specifically adding it to cards, in such quantity and with such game-changing power is pretty fucking stupid. It turns the game into a thinly veiled coin flip lol. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 14 2014 08:34 Gahlo wrote: Not really, with the way the game works the only classes that would be able to do it are trap classes. That's not true. You can put "whenever an opponent casts a spell, counter it and destroy <this>" on a minion. There's already precedent for minions that interact with spell casts (e.g. Lorewalker Cho), it just happens that none have used the counter effect. It's more likely that Blizzard shied away from effects like countermagic, mana denial, or hand disruption (though the two former ones exist in limited forms in Counterspell and Loatheb/Mana Wraith) because those mechanics could be seen as "un-fun"--despite the fact that their absence has a lot of impact on how the game can play. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KEh9CVU.jpg?1) My freeze mage decklist. Cards to consider: Loot Hoarder for Novice Engineer (more pressure as its 2/1 as opposed to 1/1, but if you can't waste 2 mana to ping it things go sour; prefer novice due to instant effect) Counterspell x1 (hard to find room for this without removing x1 Ice Barrier, which is awkward and dangerous, but useful if you're looking to deny a heal, though this is less effective since people tend to use healbot, or can guarantee a Doomsayer-Frost Nova clear) Antonidas (don't like it, but it can be used to draw more fireballs if you ever need it: unlikely, this deck has 57 damage between Alex, Pyro, and a full Thalnos x2 sorc rotation; sacrifices critical inconsistency for the possibility of beating GvG Warriors; not werth) Play minion card draw first. They're weak early pressure, and AI can be used with the x2 sorc combo to quickly cycle through the deck if you're looking for a card. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 14 2014 09:02 Lord Tolkien wrote: Also, since I'm pretty sure ladder is perfectly safe for this deck now, My freeze mage decklist. Lissandra.dec | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On December 14 2014 08:08 Zdrastochye wrote: Pagle and Tinkmaster were different than what Unstable is though. One was a persisting affect in a 1/4 form, and tinkmaster was a polymorph battlecry, both of which gave you an immediate payout upon playing. Unstable unless it pulls a 3 cost or less minion doesn't do anything immediately and forces you to play it in the following turn. A lategame Unstable isn't game breaking, really only on T1-2. pagle was a 0-4 actually but still didn't win games to the extent that unstable portal does would like to note that i just lost another game to unstable portal black knight | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
just play standard freeze mage jeez | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 14 2014 08:35 Capped wrote: Its like they looked at the game, thought "Oh, RNG-based cards are disliked heavily and make the game anti-fun and anti-skill based, LETS ADD A SHIT-TON OF REALLY GOOD ONES." I get that card games are quite heavily based on RNG inherently, but specifically adding it to cards, in such quantity and with such game-changing power is pretty fucking stupid. It turns the game into a thinly veiled coin flip lol. you make it sound as if both players don't have access to same RNG mechanic. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On December 14 2014 09:41 wei2coolman wrote: you make it sound as if both players don't have access to same RNG mechanic. Everyone getting a coin to flip doesn't mean it isn't a coinflip. I don't know shit about the HS specifics here, but that much is easy to logic through. | ||
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Rockafellalp
Canada356 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On December 14 2014 09:56 Rockafellalp wrote: Ahh I see the hearthstone league thread is going strong who are you and what have you done with shelkelp | ||
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