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On November 25 2014 09:58 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 09:46 Sufficiency wrote:
I think all of you guys need to stop giving any and all advices, regardless of your own credentials - unless you are very familiar with how things work in Czech Republic. I don't think any of us were giving advice, so much as discussing stuff since it popped up, pretty much everyone was like "dunno how czech works, but STEM is pretty awesome"
Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 07:46 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 07:14 Scip wrote:
can't decide between the 2. don't really have any other option, don't enjoy anything else and I'm so not ready for an actual job you have no idea haha
I love life already Alaric, I just express it in unusual ways Why not engineering? I guess it also has to do with job market in Czech, of which I have no idea about. Getting a job is the most important part of the degree, unless you're a trust fund baby, in that case do Liberal Arts. Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 08:24 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 08:17 PrinceXizor wrote:On November 25 2014 08:11 TheYango wrote:On November 25 2014 07:23 Alzadar wrote:Consider Euler's identity: ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/f/8/9/f897005615c391e14cd50112cda44665.png) If your first reaction is "that's beautiful", go math. If instead you think "what is this useful for?", go physics. Physics as a science largely is not that practical at this point. That's engineering for the most part. I'd offer more advice but really it's hard to say without an idea of how higher education in the Czech Republic differs from the US. yeah but engineering is so boring, its just about learning to do stuff everyone else figured out and then if you are a few select fields with multiple degrees then maybe you get to advance the world a little. w0tm8? in comparison to math, bachelors in engineering can get you insanely far... Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 08:40 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 08:32 TheYango wrote:On November 25 2014 08:17 PrinceXizor wrote:
yeah but engineering is so boring, its just about learning to do stuff everyone else figured out and then if you are a few select fields with multiple degrees then maybe you get to advance the world a little. I mean, depending on your definition of "advance the world", that's not really the purpose of engineering. Its less about discovery and more about problem solving/design. The problem is that the reality of pure science in the modern day is that very few scientists "advance the world" in any significant way either. You have to be insanely lucky or a genius to be one of the handful of scientists in each generation that actually produces something meaningful. Otherwise you end up one of the hundreds of scientists publishing papers to get grant money for projects they know won't go anywhere just to get by. that's a bit disingenuous... it's less so they know it won't go anywhere, and more so the nature of scientists to take the null hypothesis. all the things scientists mess around with is usually shot in the dark, so yeah 'they know won't go anywhere' just sounds like scientists are nefarious money grubbing leeches... Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 08:43 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 08:34 Zess wrote:
High level math (and thus demonstrating intense abstract thinking ability) + familiarity with compute science = freelo
In the US, you take that background to pretty much any area and are looking at 100k+ w/ just a Bachelor's. Only thing better would be like iBanking / consulting but then you have to suck dick and fondle turds starting 3rd year of undergrad this is only a small percentage of people with bachelors in math, and if you do fall into this case, you're better off working towards your phD while you're at it. But the fact is, even in the undergrad math department, what you've pointed out is actually fairly small elite math nerds... Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 09:21 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 09:07 Kupon3ss wrote:
If you go into math you shouldn't initially looking at the money, you're looking at the joys of math and the pure pursuit thereof. The practical side is that once you get disillusioned you can find a job pretty easily. this probably the most accurate assessment based on what i've heard from my friend who majored in math.
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On November 25 2014 09:59 Scip wrote:
Well, I did ask for advice generally, I'm curious about how things work outside cz too, even if I study in cz I might end up working abroad, who knows. But as someone suggested to me going to check out the Physics department probably better 'cause they're gonna have labs and demonstrations n shit while math is probably just gonna be talking
Get an MBA and work abroad in Japan as token white dude they bring along to business "meetings" to give their company legitimacy, go to catgirl cafe's on your days off. LIVE THE DREAM SCIP. DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU OTHERWISE.
@suff, what are you getting at? those are all tangental points in direct regards to just STEM in America. I did preface the point "i don't know the job market in czech" in the point I did talk about Scip directly.
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If you think you were not giving advices (and very uninformed ones, I might add), you are crazy.
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On November 25 2014 10:05 Sufficiency wrote:
If you think you were not giving advices (and very uninformed ones, I might add), you are crazy.
What was wrong with my advice in regards to picking a major that would directly allow Scip to get a career in? Cuz, I don't think anyone here would disagree on that, unless he's a trust fund baby, in that case it doesn't matter what the fuck he majors. Which again, what's wrong with that?
The other points were mostly opinions and tangential discussion points, not advice... If you feel my opinions were "uninformed" then yes, plz tell me why.
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On November 25 2014 10:09 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 10:05 Sufficiency wrote:
If you think you were not giving advices (and very uninformed ones, I might add), you are crazy.
What was wrong with my advice in regards to picking a major that would directly allow Scip to get a career in? Cuz, I don't think anyone here would disagree on that, unless he's a trust fund baby, in that case it doesn't matter what the fuck he majors. Which again, what's wrong with that? The other points were mostly opinions and tangential discussion points, not advice... If you feel my opinions were "uninformed" then yes, plz tell me why.
Are you trolling? Because it's not very funny.
Allow me to break down what you just said:
Why not engineering?
I guess it also has to do with job market in Czech, of which I have no idea about. Getting a job is the most important part of the degree, unless you're a trust fund baby, in that case do Liberal Arts.
You seem to be saying he should be going to "engineering". From what I have seen chatting with Scip, "engineering" may or may not exist in Czech Republic, or at least not in the form we see in North America.
w0tm8?
in comparison to math, bachelors in engineering can get you insanely far...
Again you seem to prefer "engineering".
this is only a small percentage of people with bachelors in math, and if you do fall into this case, you're better off working towards your phD while you're at it. But the fact is, even in the undergrad math department, what you've pointed out is actually fairly small elite math nerds...
You suggest that a math undergraduate degree is more suitable as a stepping stone for a PhD.
this probably the most accurate assessment based on what i've heard from my friend who majored in math.
You are agreeing with someone else's comment on a degree in math, while simultaneously admitting that you have no personal experience with the field whatsoever.
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Looks like I got a pretty good timing for leaving the thread to sleep.
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On November 25 2014 09:59 Scip wrote:
Well, I did ask for advice generally, I'm curious about how things work outside cz too, even if I study in cz I might end up working abroad, who knows. But as someone suggested to me going to check out the Physics department probably better 'cause they're gonna have labs and demonstrations n shit while math is probably just gonna be talking
100%. You're at least going to be engaged attending the Physics seminar.
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On November 25 2014 10:15 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 10:09 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 10:05 Sufficiency wrote:
If you think you were not giving advices (and very uninformed ones, I might add), you are crazy.
What was wrong with my advice in regards to picking a major that would directly allow Scip to get a career in? Cuz, I don't think anyone here would disagree on that, unless he's a trust fund baby, in that case it doesn't matter what the fuck he majors. Which again, what's wrong with that? The other points were mostly opinions and tangential discussion points, not advice... If you feel my opinions were "uninformed" then yes, plz tell me why. Are you trolling? Because it's not very funny. Allow me to break down what you just said: Show nested quote +Why not engineering?
I guess it also has to do with job market in Czech, of which I have no idea about. Getting a job is the most important part of the degree, unless you're a trust fund baby, in that case do Liberal Arts. You seem to be saying he should be going to "engineering". From what I have seen chatting with Scip, "engineering" may or may not exist in Czech Republic, or at least not in the form we see in North America. Show nested quote +w0tm8?
in comparison to math, bachelors in engineering can get you insanely far... Again you seem to prefer "engineering". Show nested quote +this is only a small percentage of people with bachelors in math, and if you do fall into this case, you're better off working towards your phD while you're at it. But the fact is, even in the undergrad math department, what you've pointed out is actually fairly small elite math nerds... You suggest that a math undergraduate degree is more suitable as a stepping stone for a PhD. Show nested quote +this probably the most accurate assessment based on what i've heard from my friend who majored in math. You are agreeing with someone else's comment on a degree in math, while simultaneously admitting that you have no personal experience with the field whatsoever.
Can you not into reading comprehension? because I specifically said "i'm not sure what the job market is like in Czech". And finished it off by saying "get a degree in something that'll make you money." the only "advice" i gave this entire time. I don't think anyone would find that point controversial at all.
the second quote, I was talkin to PX specifically about the field of engineering vs math as a whole, and how far you could get with a bachelors. If you just look at avg salary for BS in engineering vs math, engineering outstrips it on average.
3rd quote responding to xes (fuck zess, stupid name), was specific to the US, as he brought up "In the US, you take that background to pretty much any area and are looking at 100k+ " Of which, I said only a subset of math majors could legitimately do that level of math, are better off getting a phD because of the pay update. Later on, I clarified it more along the lines of Kupo's point, which he said that most of the people who do get phD's do it because it makes them happy, and that a massive paycheck was just a sidebonus.
you should probably stick to data mining, and making useless statistics than trying to analyse what people are saying. At least you're slightly better at that.
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On November 25 2014 10:23 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 10:15 Sufficiency wrote:On November 25 2014 10:09 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 10:05 Sufficiency wrote:
If you think you were not giving advices (and very uninformed ones, I might add), you are crazy.
What was wrong with my advice in regards to picking a major that would directly allow Scip to get a career in? Cuz, I don't think anyone here would disagree on that, unless he's a trust fund baby, in that case it doesn't matter what the fuck he majors. Which again, what's wrong with that? The other points were mostly opinions and tangential discussion points, not advice... If you feel my opinions were "uninformed" then yes, plz tell me why. Are you trolling? Because it's not very funny. Allow me to break down what you just said: Why not engineering?
I guess it also has to do with job market in Czech, of which I have no idea about. Getting a job is the most important part of the degree, unless you're a trust fund baby, in that case do Liberal Arts. You seem to be saying he should be going to "engineering". From what I have seen chatting with Scip, "engineering" may or may not exist in Czech Republic, or at least not in the form we see in North America. w0tm8?
in comparison to math, bachelors in engineering can get you insanely far... Again you seem to prefer "engineering". this is only a small percentage of people with bachelors in math, and if you do fall into this case, you're better off working towards your phD while you're at it. But the fact is, even in the undergrad math department, what you've pointed out is actually fairly small elite math nerds... You suggest that a math undergraduate degree is more suitable as a stepping stone for a PhD. this probably the most accurate assessment based on what i've heard from my friend who majored in math. You are agreeing with someone else's comment on a degree in math, while simultaneously admitting that you have no personal experience with the field whatsoever. Can you not into reading comprehension? because I specifically said "i'm not sure what the job market is like in Czech". And finished it off by saying "get a degree in something that'll make you money" the second quote, I was talkin to PX specifically about the field of engineering vs math as a whole, and how far you could get with a bachelors. If you just look at avg salary for BS in engineering vs math, engineering outstrips it on average. 3rd quote responding to xes (fuck zess, stupid name), was specific to the US, as he brought up " In the US, you take that background to pretty much any area and are looking at 100k+ " Of which, I said only a subset of math majors could legitimately do that level of math, are better off getting a phD because of the pay update. Later on, I clarified it more along the lines of Kupo's point, which I said that most of the people who do get phD's do it because it makes them happy, and that a massive paycheck was just a sidebonus. you should probably stick to data mining, and making useless statistics than trying to analyse what people are saying. At least you're slightly better at that.
Sure, keep shitposting.
You can spin it however you like, but the fact of the matter is that you gave SPECIFIC OPINIONS and ADVICES on mathematics and engineering majors. The best part is that you were definitely not a math major, and most likely not engineering major either.
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On November 25 2014 10:25 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 10:23 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 10:15 Sufficiency wrote:On November 25 2014 10:09 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 10:05 Sufficiency wrote:
If you think you were not giving advices (and very uninformed ones, I might add), you are crazy.
What was wrong with my advice in regards to picking a major that would directly allow Scip to get a career in? Cuz, I don't think anyone here would disagree on that, unless he's a trust fund baby, in that case it doesn't matter what the fuck he majors. Which again, what's wrong with that? The other points were mostly opinions and tangential discussion points, not advice... If you feel my opinions were "uninformed" then yes, plz tell me why. Are you trolling? Because it's not very funny. Allow me to break down what you just said: Why not engineering?
I guess it also has to do with job market in Czech, of which I have no idea about. Getting a job is the most important part of the degree, unless you're a trust fund baby, in that case do Liberal Arts. You seem to be saying he should be going to "engineering". From what I have seen chatting with Scip, "engineering" may or may not exist in Czech Republic, or at least not in the form we see in North America. w0tm8?
in comparison to math, bachelors in engineering can get you insanely far... Again you seem to prefer "engineering". this is only a small percentage of people with bachelors in math, and if you do fall into this case, you're better off working towards your phD while you're at it. But the fact is, even in the undergrad math department, what you've pointed out is actually fairly small elite math nerds... You suggest that a math undergraduate degree is more suitable as a stepping stone for a PhD. this probably the most accurate assessment based on what i've heard from my friend who majored in math. You are agreeing with someone else's comment on a degree in math, while simultaneously admitting that you have no personal experience with the field whatsoever. Can you not into reading comprehension? because I specifically said "i'm not sure what the job market is like in Czech". And finished it off by saying "get a degree in something that'll make you money" the second quote, I was talkin to PX specifically about the field of engineering vs math as a whole, and how far you could get with a bachelors. If you just look at avg salary for BS in engineering vs math, engineering outstrips it on average. 3rd quote responding to xes (fuck zess, stupid name), was specific to the US, as he brought up " In the US, you take that background to pretty much any area and are looking at 100k+ " Of which, I said only a subset of math majors could legitimately do that level of math, are better off getting a phD because of the pay update. Later on, I clarified it more along the lines of Kupo's point, which I said that most of the people who do get phD's do it because it makes them happy, and that a massive paycheck was just a sidebonus. you should probably stick to data mining, and making useless statistics than trying to analyse what people are saying. At least you're slightly better at that. Sure, keep shitposting.
Last time I checked this is OffTopic... Sort of the point.....
lol, and you tried to call me out for shitposting, and then you post this shit in GD?
On November 25 2014 10:21 Sufficiency wrote:I was watching that video with this music: + Show Spoiler +Very wow much epic.
pot, kettle, black, hypocrisy, etc etc.
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Yeah, there's engeneering in czech republic, I just don't think that's exactly what I want to be doing. I'll check it out too, but I don't think it's where I'll end up going. It's at a different uni so there isn't a scheduling conflict there :3
also, it's probably really idealistic and young, but as long as I get to work in a field I enjoy I don't really care if I'll be making 15k/year or 100k/year. What I'd give consideration to is the chance that I'll actually get to successfully work in that field after I finish studying, but for the pay when it comes to that? not that much
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Quick question, do you two ever not argue?
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On November 25 2014 10:33 Scip wrote:
Yeah, there's engeneering in czech republic, I just don't think that's exactly what I want to be doing. I'll check it out too, but I don't think it's where I'll end up going. It's at a different uni so there isn't a scheduling conflict there :3
What is the job market like in Czech? Also, in regards to working abroad, how easy/likely is it for someone in Czech with college degree to do so? at least in regards to STEM.
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dude, you're asking me questions I have no idea about. I'm a 18yo high school student who has never had to worry about money or job in my entire life. I guess I'll ask around.
MOMMY, DADDY, STOP ARGUING T.T
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On November 25 2014 10:36 Scip wrote:
dude, you're asking me questions I have no idea about. I'm a 18yo high school student who has never had to worry about money or job in my entire life. I guess I'll ask around.
Well, how common is it for people to get higher education? Like what percentage of your class is aiming to go to an academic university/college?
Real advice though. Go to japan, work and hangout with catgirls all day. Live the weeblife. Never look back.
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The thing is that in the US, undergraduate majors don't have a high degree of importance to your final career. You don't need a CS/CE bachelor's to be a computer engineer, you can go into investment banking with a quantitative science background, etc. This is because ultimately most specialized education is done at the graduate level or on the job, so your undergraduate education is more important for building a general skillset that will be useful for your career (zess's math examples, for example).
Different countries' education systems differ in this regard, and many promote much earlier career selection and specialized learning, which is part of why US education system examples may not apply.
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On November 25 2014 10:26 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 10:25 Sufficiency wrote:On November 25 2014 10:23 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 10:15 Sufficiency wrote:On November 25 2014 10:09 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 10:05 Sufficiency wrote:
If you think you were not giving advices (and very uninformed ones, I might add), you are crazy.
What was wrong with my advice in regards to picking a major that would directly allow Scip to get a career in? Cuz, I don't think anyone here would disagree on that, unless he's a trust fund baby, in that case it doesn't matter what the fuck he majors. Which again, what's wrong with that? The other points were mostly opinions and tangential discussion points, not advice... If you feel my opinions were "uninformed" then yes, plz tell me why. Are you trolling? Because it's not very funny. Allow me to break down what you just said: Why not engineering?
I guess it also has to do with job market in Czech, of which I have no idea about. Getting a job is the most important part of the degree, unless you're a trust fund baby, in that case do Liberal Arts. You seem to be saying he should be going to "engineering". From what I have seen chatting with Scip, "engineering" may or may not exist in Czech Republic, or at least not in the form we see in North America. w0tm8?
in comparison to math, bachelors in engineering can get you insanely far... Again you seem to prefer "engineering". this is only a small percentage of people with bachelors in math, and if you do fall into this case, you're better off working towards your phD while you're at it. But the fact is, even in the undergrad math department, what you've pointed out is actually fairly small elite math nerds... You suggest that a math undergraduate degree is more suitable as a stepping stone for a PhD. this probably the most accurate assessment based on what i've heard from my friend who majored in math. You are agreeing with someone else's comment on a degree in math, while simultaneously admitting that you have no personal experience with the field whatsoever. Can you not into reading comprehension? because I specifically said "i'm not sure what the job market is like in Czech". And finished it off by saying "get a degree in something that'll make you money" the second quote, I was talkin to PX specifically about the field of engineering vs math as a whole, and how far you could get with a bachelors. If you just look at avg salary for BS in engineering vs math, engineering outstrips it on average. 3rd quote responding to xes (fuck zess, stupid name), was specific to the US, as he brought up " In the US, you take that background to pretty much any area and are looking at 100k+ " Of which, I said only a subset of math majors could legitimately do that level of math, are better off getting a phD because of the pay update. Later on, I clarified it more along the lines of Kupo's point, which I said that most of the people who do get phD's do it because it makes them happy, and that a massive paycheck was just a sidebonus. you should probably stick to data mining, and making useless statistics than trying to analyse what people are saying. At least you're slightly better at that. Sure, keep shitposting. Last time I checked this is OffTopic... Sort of the point..... lol, and you tried to call me out for shitposting, and then you post this shit in GD? Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 10:21 Sufficiency wrote:I was watching that video with this music: + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVYCU2dhwIY pot, kettle, black, hypocrisy, etc etc.
The context is not even remotely comparable. You were providing input for someone who was seeking career advice, I was making a side comment on an advertisement video Riot made.
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On November 25 2014 10:33 Scip wrote:
Yeah, there's engeneering in czech republic, I just don't think that's exactly what I want to be doing. I'll check it out too, but I don't think it's where I'll end up going. It's at a different uni so there isn't a scheduling conflict there :3
also, it's probably really idealistic and young, but as long as I get to work in a field I enjoy I don't really care if I'll be making 15k/year or 100k/year. What I'd give consideration to is the chance that I'll actually get to successfully work in that field after I finish studying, but for the pay when it comes to that? not that much
Spoken like every 18 year old. Myself included, way back when...
In all seriousness, a plan will help you 100%. Just think what you actually like to do and go from there.
Also wei2coolman, going to Japan is the worst advice possible. Japan is one of the most anti-immigrant and xenophobic nations in the world, or at least among the developed nations.
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On November 25 2014 10:53 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 10:33 Scip wrote:
Yeah, there's engeneering in czech republic, I just don't think that's exactly what I want to be doing. I'll check it out too, but I don't think it's where I'll end up going. It's at a different uni so there isn't a scheduling conflict there :3
also, it's probably really idealistic and young, but as long as I get to work in a field I enjoy I don't really care if I'll be making 15k/year or 100k/year. What I'd give consideration to is the chance that I'll actually get to successfully work in that field after I finish studying, but for the pay when it comes to that? not that much Spoken like every 18 year old. Myself included, way back when... In all seriousness, a plan will help you 100%. Just think what you actually like to do and go from there. Also wei2coolman, going to Japan is the worst advice possible. Japan is one of the most anti-immigrant and xenophobic nations in the world, or at least among the developed nations.
Do I really need to put a sarcasm tag when catgirls are part of the end goals?
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