EPTIn the US, you take that background to pretty much any area and are looking at 100k+ w/ just a Bachelor's. Only thing better would be like iBanking / consulting but then you have to suck dick and fondle turds starting 3rd year of undergrad
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
In the US, you take that background to pretty much any area and are looking at 100k+ w/ just a Bachelor's. Only thing better would be like iBanking / consulting but then you have to suck dick and fondle turds starting 3rd year of undergrad | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I'm not sure how well that translates to Scip's situation. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 25 2014 08:32 TheYango wrote: I mean, depending on your definition of "advance the world", that's not really the purpose of engineering. Its less about discovery and more about problem solving/design. The problem is that the reality of pure science in the modern day is that very few scientists "advance the world" in any significant way either. You have to be insanely lucky or a genius to be one of the handful of scientists in each generation that actually produces something meaningful. Otherwise you end up one of the hundreds of scientists publishing papers to get grant money for projects they know won't go anywhere just to get by. that's a bit disingenuous... it's less so they know it won't go anywhere, and more so the nature of scientists to take the null hypothesis. all the things scientists mess around with is usually shot in the dark, so yeah 'they know won't go anywhere' just sounds like scientists are nefarious money grubbing leeches... | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 25 2014 08:34 Zess wrote: High level math (and thus demonstrating intense abstract thinking ability) + familiarity with compute science = freelo In the US, you take that background to pretty much any area and are looking at 100k+ w/ just a Bachelor's. Only thing better would be like iBanking / consulting but then you have to suck dick and fondle turds starting 3rd year of undergrad this is only a small percentage of people with bachelors in math, and if you do fall into this case, you're better off working towards your phD while you're at it. But the fact is, even in the undergrad math department, what you've pointed out is actually fairly small elite math nerds... | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On November 25 2014 08:34 Zess wrote: Only thing better would be like iBanking / consulting but then you have to suck dick and fondle turds starting 3rd year of undergrad Where do i sign. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
I helped a friend on an interview for that, one of the questions was on the shortest brute force way to break a certain cipher and it ended up corresponding to either Hamiltonian paths of a specific graph construction, or the Sylow subgroups of a given symmetric group order. Mathematics gives you the tools to reorganize problems in the world into buckets that you can apply a lot of preexisting knowledge to. It is the most superior study for those that can survive it, but Euros have a strong tradition of intense math proficiency so I'm sure Scip will be fine. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
You should do it if you are interesting in learning or doing cool things or maybe switching to a different career because your current path clinically depresses you, not to make more nominal money | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 25 2014 08:45 Zess wrote: Yea but the NSA specifically hired "Mathematicians" at 100k entry level I helped a friend on an interview for that, one of the questions was on the shortest brute force way to break a certain cipher and it ended up corresponding to either Hamiltonian paths of a specific graph construction, or the Sylow subgroups of a given symmetric group order. Mathematics gives you the tools to reorganize problems in the world into buckets that you can apply a lot of preexisting knowledge to. It is the most superior study for those that can survive it, but Euros have a strong tradition of intense math proficiency so I'm sure Scip will be fine. if your the kind of person who falls in this elite few, you'll make a lot of money doing whatever the fuck you want. math or no math. On November 25 2014 08:47 Zess wrote: Also getting a PhD is basically negative expected value unless you currently have 0 job prospects anyways and then you're basically rolling your option with more debt now to hopefully float in the money later and not get rektshrekt You should do it if you are interesting in learning or doing cool things or maybe switching to a different career because your current path clinically depresses you, not to make more nominal money phD in math is pretty much insta-hire with insane pay. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On November 25 2014 08:39 TheYango wrote: I mean, to be fair, Zess, you can do that with most math/quantitative science/engineering degrees from a reasonably reputable US university because a lot of employers in the US aren't picky about the particulars of your degree, just that you excelled and have the technical background/problem solving skills. Its not specific to a math degree. I'm not sure how well that translates to Scip's situation. technically in america we dont give a crap if you even excelled. just the degree. On November 25 2014 08:51 wei2coolman wrote: phD in math is pretty much insta-hire with insane pay. easy to be overqualified and not hired for someone they can get cheaper. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 25 2014 09:07 Kupon3ss wrote: If you go into math you shouldn't initially looking at the money, you're looking at the joys of math and the pure pursuit thereof. The practical side is that once you get disillusioned you can find a job pretty easily. this probably the most accurate assessment based on what i've heard from my friend who majored in math. | ||
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Shelke14
Canada6655 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On November 25 2014 09:23 Shelke14 wrote: I have a PhD...... In being awesome. Where is the 100k a year job line up You must sell this many chips to ride the rich train. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On November 25 2014 09:46 Sufficiency wrote: I think all of you guys need to stop giving any and all advices, regardless of your own credentials - unless you are very familiar with how things work in Czech Republic. In Bulgaria for example(both shitty slavic countries so good comparison) unless you want to become a teacher math is pretty much useless to go into.Even a friend of mine who was really good at math and even went to some international math tournaments(or w/e they called) and he loves it chose not to pursue it beyond high school. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On November 25 2014 09:52 nafta wrote: In Bulgaria for example(both shitty slavic countries so good comparison) unless you want to become a teacher math is pretty much useless to go into.Even a friend of mine who was really good at math and even went to some international math tournaments(or w/e they called) and he loves it chose not to pursue it beyond high school. I was never there so I don't have anything to add to that, but that's my impression when I chatted with Scip a week back - things are not exactly the same in Czech Republic compared to North America. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 25 2014 09:46 Sufficiency wrote: I think all of you guys need to stop giving any and all advices, regardless of your own credentials - unless you are very familiar with how things work in Czech Republic. I don't think any of us were giving advice, so much as discussing stuff since it popped up, pretty much everyone was like "dunno how czech works, but STEM is pretty awesome" | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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