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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 03:42:10
November 20 2014 03:41 GMT
#69601
Privilege isn't about assigning blame for things to people, as I understand it. The idea is that white people get treated better in some ways, solely as a result of skin color. So if you're, say, a second generation Ukranian in America, you get treated like any other white person in America, which is to say better than not-white people.
Not that that stops people from using it as a way of blaming people for being white.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 20 2014 03:42 GMT
#69602
On November 20 2014 12:38 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 12:33 iCanada wrote:
What blows my mind is how that privileged thing works.

Why is every white person regarded the same? Like... you take a look at the british, and you know, historically they have kind of just butt fucked a whole shitload of people. But like, how do you lump a group of people like the Ukrainians with the British when you talk about Race and privilege? When has Ukraine hurt anyone? How long have Ukrainians went without being persecuted by someone? For how many years have Ukrainians had the same rights as their peers?

Yet a Ukrainian person in america is considered just as at fault and privileged as someone from Britain.

Spoken like a truly privileged white male cis scum.


Hey man, my family is British. lol.

Just saying, even here in Canada the Ukrainian people hadbeen called "White Niggers" for Decades. Hell, the Canadian gov't took Ukrainians land in both world wars and put random Ukrainian citizens in work camps.

I mean, blame me for what my ancestors did, but why do Ukrainians get blamed for their ancestors getting discriminated against and abused? I think thats pretty damn racist and fucked up in its own way.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 03:45:32
November 20 2014 03:44 GMT
#69603
On November 20 2014 12:42 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 12:38 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 20 2014 12:33 iCanada wrote:
What blows my mind is how that privileged thing works.

Why is every white person regarded the same? Like... you take a look at the british, and you know, historically they have kind of just butt fucked a whole shitload of people. But like, how do you lump a group of people like the Ukrainians with the British when you talk about Race and privilege? When has Ukraine hurt anyone? How long have Ukrainians went without being persecuted by someone? For how many years have Ukrainians had the same rights as their peers?

Yet a Ukrainian person in america is considered just as at fault and privileged as someone from Britain.

Spoken like a truly privileged white male cis scum.


Hey man, my family is British. lol.

Just saying, even here in Canada the Ukrainian people hadbeen called "White Niggers" for Decades. Hell, the Canadian gov't took Ukrainians land in both world wars and put random Ukrainian citizens in work camps.

I mean, blame me for what my ancestors did, but why do Ukrainians get blamed for their ancestors getting discriminated against and abused? I think thats pretty damn racist and fucked up in its own way.

Because they didn't pull themselves up by their bootstraps and give themselves a better lot in life like a good American does. They're choosing to live in poor conditions and begging for handouts!

#StupidRightWingThings
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
November 20 2014 03:46 GMT
#69604
All you can eat sushi.... Why do you do this to me. Soo much pain
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 20 2014 03:50 GMT
#69605
On November 20 2014 12:42 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 12:38 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 20 2014 12:33 iCanada wrote:
What blows my mind is how that privileged thing works.

Why is every white person regarded the same? Like... you take a look at the british, and you know, historically they have kind of just butt fucked a whole shitload of people. But like, how do you lump a group of people like the Ukrainians with the British when you talk about Race and privilege? When has Ukraine hurt anyone? How long have Ukrainians went without being persecuted by someone? For how many years have Ukrainians had the same rights as their peers?

Yet a Ukrainian person in america is considered just as at fault and privileged as someone from Britain.

Spoken like a truly privileged white male cis scum.


Hey man, my family is British. lol.

Just saying, even here in Canada the Ukrainian people hadbeen called "White Niggers" for Decades. Hell, the Canadian gov't took Ukrainians land in both world wars and put random Ukrainian citizens in work camps.

I mean, blame me for what my ancestors did, but why do Ukrainians get blamed for their ancestors getting discriminated against and abused? I think thats pretty damn racist and fucked up in its own way.

B-But you can't be racist towards white people! cuz muh oppression.
you wouldn't understand cuz of all your privilege.
/s
liftlift > tsm
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
November 20 2014 04:34 GMT
#69606
University of California tuition 25% increase for the next 5 years passed, god bless.
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
November 20 2014 04:46 GMT
#69607
So a friend introduced me to this lady friend of hers, and the new girl and I started talking after the meeting. Friend's pissed at me for not telling her about this. Is this some social etiquette thing that I missed?...
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
November 20 2014 04:50 GMT
#69608
Fyi PX you have 18 packs sitting on your farms for the time being, they'll be gone in a day or two pending on time. Hope you don't mind.

In other news, keep tumblr out of TL plz.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 20 2014 04:54 GMT
#69609
On November 20 2014 13:46 Nos- wrote:
So a friend introduced me to this lady friend of hers, and the new girl and I started talking after the meeting. Friend's pissed at me for not telling her about this. Is this some social etiquette thing that I missed?...

she probably just wanted to be clued in on it, since she introduced you.
liftlift > tsm
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 20 2014 04:59 GMT
#69610
On November 20 2014 13:46 Nos- wrote:
So a friend introduced me to this lady friend of hers, and the new girl and I started talking after the meeting. Friend's pissed at me for not telling her about this. Is this some social etiquette thing that I missed?...


Would it have been nice to tell her? Yeah. Is it worth getting mad at you over? No.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
November 20 2014 05:02 GMT
#69611
On November 20 2014 12:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 12:21 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 20 2014 12:18 iCanada wrote:
On November 20 2014 12:04 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
That moment when your sister explains why your view on feminism not properly representing gender equality is sexist by saying "black people can't be racist, women can't be sexist."

:| :| :| :| :| :| :| how do you even start to argue that



There are actually a surprising amount of people that think this way.

The real question is, can Asian people be racist?
I mean, we're minorities, but we don't really have the same socio-economic issues as other minorities.
Does that essentially put us in the 'too privileged to speak about racial issues' class? or do we have enough color street cred to complain about white people?


asian people are racist as fuck

they just excel at everything, so they get away with it

Asian-Americans are probably the most racist ethnic group in the US. I think above African-Americans.

I would say that it's accurate.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
November 20 2014 05:10 GMT
#69612
On November 20 2014 13:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 13:46 Nos- wrote:
So a friend introduced me to this lady friend of hers, and the new girl and I started talking after the meeting. Friend's pissed at me for not telling her about this. Is this some social etiquette thing that I missed?...


Would it have been nice to tell her? Yeah. Is it worth getting mad at you over? No.

Yea I suppose, I just didn't think it was a big deal at all, didn't even cross my mind.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
November 20 2014 05:10 GMT
#69613
asian-americans aren't very racist at all
asians are the ones who are super racist, once you get whitewashed the racism tones down signficantly
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 05:12:17
November 20 2014 05:11 GMT
#69614
On November 20 2014 14:02 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 12:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 20 2014 12:21 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 20 2014 12:18 iCanada wrote:
On November 20 2014 12:04 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
That moment when your sister explains why your view on feminism not properly representing gender equality is sexist by saying "black people can't be racist, women can't be sexist."

:| :| :| :| :| :| :| how do you even start to argue that



There are actually a surprising amount of people that think this way.

The real question is, can Asian people be racist?
I mean, we're minorities, but we don't really have the same socio-economic issues as other minorities.
Does that essentially put us in the 'too privileged to speak about racial issues' class? or do we have enough color street cred to complain about white people?


asian people are racist as fuck

they just excel at everything, so they get away with it

Asian-Americans are probably the most racist ethnic group in the US. I think above African-Americans.

I would say that it's accurate.

According to Ghandi's sister's logic, black people can't be racists, so that doesn't really tell us much on how racist Asian people are.
On November 20 2014 14:10 Kupon3ss wrote:
asian-americans aren't very racist at all
asians are the ones who are super racist, once you get whitewashed the racism tones down signficantly

I agree with Kupo for once.
liftlift > tsm
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 06:08:25
November 20 2014 06:07 GMT
#69615
On November 20 2014 12:04 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
That moment when your sister explains why your view on feminism not properly representing gender equality is sexist by saying "black people can't be racist, women can't be sexist."

:| :| :| :| :| :| :| how do you even start to argue that

This is the stupidest shit I've ever heard. You should tell your sister that this is incorrect, and she should stop reading tumblr.

Women can be sexist and racial minorities can be racist. They're still underprivileged and underrepresented, so to speak, but yes, misandry is real, and positive discrimination is still discrimination.

On November 20 2014 12:33 iCanada wrote:
What blows my mind is how that privileged thing works.

Why is every white person regarded the same? Like... you take a look at the british, and you know, historically they have kind of just butt fucked a whole shitload of people. But like, how do you lump a group of people like the Ukrainians with the British when you talk about Race and privilege? When has Ukraine hurt anyone? How long have Ukrainians went without being persecuted by someone? For how many years have Ukrainians had the same rights as their peers?

Yet a Ukrainian person in america is considered just as at fault and privileged as someone from Britain.

They still have certain privileges afforded by the color of their skin. It's one thing to be white and poor, and an entirely other thing to be black and poor. There's a noticeable difference in how the police treat you, etc. etc. Same as if you were Hispanic vs. Asian in say Texas, yada yada.

On November 20 2014 14:10 Kupon3ss wrote:
asian-americans aren't very racist at all
asians are the ones who are super racist, once you get whitewashed the racism tones down signficantly

How about: First generation Asian immigrants are super racist.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
November 20 2014 06:34 GMT
#69616
old people are racist.
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 20 2014 06:35 GMT
#69617
But even backing off from Tumblr crazy talk, is my thinking credible at all on the concept that the word feminism fails to actually promote gender equality, because men can receive discrimination too? It seems to me that whenever I say that, it somehow turns the conversation into a contest of which gender is more oppressed, when that question is actually irrelevant to the concept of gender equality? I've been expressing that thought to people lately and it has mostly been met with vehement refutation.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
November 20 2014 06:36 GMT
#69618
This is from my experience, but I literally don't know any southeastern-Asian (1st generation immigrant or American born) who are outwardly racist.

By far Koreans and Chinese are, at least from my experience. Legit, half the Koreans on campus refuse to hang out with anyone who's not Korean.

Hell, I've only been to 1 KBBQ place where I didn't feel like I (or the party I'm with) felt slightly dis serviced simply because we answered the ahjumma's "Annyeonghaseyo" in English.
Forever Young
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 06:49:51
November 20 2014 06:47 GMT
#69619
On November 20 2014 15:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
But even backing off from Tumblr crazy talk, is my thinking credible at all on the concept that the word feminism fails to actually promote gender equality, because men can receive discrimination too? It seems to me that whenever I say that, it somehow turns the conversation into a contest of which gender is more oppressed, when that question is actually irrelevant to the concept of gender equality? I've been expressing that thought to people lately and it has mostly been met with vehement refutation.

because they're too fucking stupid to separate individual or small uncommon discrimination with overall social trends.
Plus the correct term should be egalitarian, but feminists want to be special snowflakes and only want to campaign for one side of rights.
On November 20 2014 15:36 sung_moon wrote:
This is from my experience, but I literally don't know any southeastern-Asian (1st generation immigrant or American born) who are outwardly racist.

By far Koreans and Chinese are, at least from my experience. Legit, half the Koreans on campus refuse to hang out with anyone who's not Korean.

Hell, I've only been to 1 KBBQ place where I didn't feel like I (or the party I'm with) felt slightly dis serviced simply because we answered the ahjumma's "Annyeonghaseyo" in English.

I think most restaurants ran by asian immigrants just have shitty service in general.
liftlift > tsm
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 07:07:47
November 20 2014 07:07 GMT
#69620
On November 20 2014 15:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
But even backing off from Tumblr crazy talk, is my thinking credible at all on the concept that the word feminism fails to actually promote gender equality, because men can receive discrimination too? It seems to me that whenever I say that, it somehow turns the conversation into a contest of which gender is more oppressed, when that question is actually irrelevant to the concept of gender equality? I've been expressing that thought to people lately and it has mostly been met with vehement refutation.

No, feminism is fine. It's a very useful analytical lens, from either historical or social science perspective.

People on tumblr and some really radical SRS fail to realize what feminism and privilege ACTUALLY means, and have essentially made a meme out of patriarchy and privilege.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
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