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United States23745 Posts
On October 15 2014 03:36 Lost My Will To Live wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 02:24 onlywonderboy wrote:On October 15 2014 02:06 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
Kupo's right on both his points. First one's blatantly obvious, but the second one should be as well.
Look at what everyone writes these days, look at the focus and just look at what the target audience is. If you're looking for upvotes on Reddit, you're looking at the NA/EU LCS crowd. Hundreds of thousands of viewers watch every single week and let's be real once I've seen the games, I don't want a recap because I already know what happened. I don't need you to tell me Curse is worse than Cloud 9 because Cloud 9 OGNTSM'd them to death.
What I want to see is unique content, something that draws a crowd. Up until very recently, there were very few outlets reporting on LPL/OGN/Anything not EU or NA LCS. What you could have done is bridged the gap between the Asian teams and the western world. Let's be real here, before worlds came around not many people knew about the stories of these teams, how they came to be, or even their playstyles. Even analysts just generalize and say "Hey, it's LPL, they must have aggressive playstyles. Every single one of them!"
We get our daily feed of information for the Western scene from Reddit, OnGamers, etc. But realistically there's none on pretty much any of the Asian teams. It's all about playing the viewership market. You can choose to be a little fish in a big pond or a big fish in a little pond. LOL this is exactly the point I made earlier. We WERE doing more than just recapping the games. We did things like team comp analysis, bigger pieces on rivalry storylines, how teams were adapting to the meta ect. Like I agree out content was flawed because there were a wealth of other options when it came to NA/EU coverage, including Riot, but we were producing better stuff than most sites. Which, fine, I agree wasn't enough, but don't act like we didn't try different things. Doesn't even matter because as I said before your content may be the best in the world but if you market it poorly (and it was), and are competing against many other outlets for news and analysis, then you're basically irrelevant unless you're at the very top. My point isn't that you guys didn't produce good content, you just seem to swing every conversation about how TL hates LoL into "We don't get enough respect". Teamliquid doesn't pay you, you volunteer for it. It's not about recognition, it's about passion for eSports. What you have is the convoluted notion that people should respect you for what you do on TL and that's entirely not what it's about. There are people that respect your work. People here within the subforum respect what you did in producing good quality content. Just because some people that have nothing to do with LoL don't care about what you do doesn't mean you should go cry about it when TL decides to make a business decision to pick up HotS instead of League. It happens every time TL ventures into a new eSport not named League. Just drop it already and be content with what we have here. If it happens, it happens. Otherwise don't make a big deal about it just because you think they don't appreciate what's here within TL LoL.
I already said I don't care about the Heroes team, I wasn't even the one to bring it up. I just took personal offense to you saying we "just did recaps," which wasn't true. TLisn't going to officially cover LoL and I've accepted that for quite a while now, I just don't want people thinking it was because the work we produced was "average" because it was better than most.
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On October 15 2014 03:44 Sufficiency wrote:
Is that CSheep?
CSheep wasn't banned afaik. He just decided to walk when Roffles got banned.
Iris pt 3 is late, time for me to be disgruntled.
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On October 15 2014 03:47 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 03:36 Lost My Will To Live wrote:On October 15 2014 02:24 onlywonderboy wrote:On October 15 2014 02:06 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
Kupo's right on both his points. First one's blatantly obvious, but the second one should be as well.
Look at what everyone writes these days, look at the focus and just look at what the target audience is. If you're looking for upvotes on Reddit, you're looking at the NA/EU LCS crowd. Hundreds of thousands of viewers watch every single week and let's be real once I've seen the games, I don't want a recap because I already know what happened. I don't need you to tell me Curse is worse than Cloud 9 because Cloud 9 OGNTSM'd them to death.
What I want to see is unique content, something that draws a crowd. Up until very recently, there were very few outlets reporting on LPL/OGN/Anything not EU or NA LCS. What you could have done is bridged the gap between the Asian teams and the western world. Let's be real here, before worlds came around not many people knew about the stories of these teams, how they came to be, or even their playstyles. Even analysts just generalize and say "Hey, it's LPL, they must have aggressive playstyles. Every single one of them!"
We get our daily feed of information for the Western scene from Reddit, OnGamers, etc. But realistically there's none on pretty much any of the Asian teams. It's all about playing the viewership market. You can choose to be a little fish in a big pond or a big fish in a little pond. LOL this is exactly the point I made earlier. We WERE doing more than just recapping the games. We did things like team comp analysis, bigger pieces on rivalry storylines, how teams were adapting to the meta ect. Like I agree out content was flawed because there were a wealth of other options when it came to NA/EU coverage, including Riot, but we were producing better stuff than most sites. Which, fine, I agree wasn't enough, but don't act like we didn't try different things. Doesn't even matter because as I said before your content may be the best in the world but if you market it poorly (and it was), and are competing against many other outlets for news and analysis, then you're basically irrelevant unless you're at the very top. My point isn't that you guys didn't produce good content, you just seem to swing every conversation about how TL hates LoL into "We don't get enough respect". Teamliquid doesn't pay you, you volunteer for it. It's not about recognition, it's about passion for eSports. What you have is the convoluted notion that people should respect you for what you do on TL and that's entirely not what it's about. There are people that respect your work. People here within the subforum respect what you did in producing good quality content. Just because some people that have nothing to do with LoL don't care about what you do doesn't mean you should go cry about it when TL decides to make a business decision to pick up HotS instead of League. It happens every time TL ventures into a new eSport not named League. Just drop it already and be content with what we have here. If it happens, it happens. Otherwise don't make a big deal about it just because you think they don't appreciate what's here within TL LoL. I already said I don't care about the Heroes team, I wasn't even the one to bring it up. I just took personal offense to you saying we "just did recaps," which wasn't true. TLisn't going to officially cover LoL and I've accepted that for quite a while now, I just don't want people thinking it was because the work we produced was "average" because it was better than most.
Maybe yout work isn't average. But the format definitely sucked. The actual content did not really matter after that.
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United States47024 Posts
The thing with analysis is that 99.9% of your readership can't tell the difference between good and bad analysis, which means the only things that matter are credibility (which usually comes from some pro/ex-pro/community figure) and presentability.
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United States23745 Posts
Yeah, I agree. I'm more than willing to admit our marketing efforts were poor.
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I can confirm fthat its not cancersheep
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On October 15 2014 04:29 Kupon3ss wrote:
I can confirm fthat its not cancersheep
Wat no waiiiiiii
who coulda knoooooooooooooooown
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On October 15 2014 04:16 onlywonderboy wrote:
Yeah, I agree. I'm more than willing to admit our marketing efforts were poor.
Your marketing was fine. It was the format and the wall of text that was the bad part.
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On October 15 2014 04:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 04:29 Kupon3ss wrote:
I can confirm fthat its not cancersheep Wat no waiiiiiii who coulda knoooooooooooooooown
Roffles then?
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Nah Roffles lost his will to live.
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On October 15 2014 03:38 Cixah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 03:35 mordek wrote:
It's literally slides of Excel charts copied in. That's awkward. Sounds like something is corrupt in the images of the excel stuff. Check and make sure your image sizes in the PP aren't redic. Other than that I'd just zip and go. It's probablly safer for emails anyway.
Appreciate the responses. Thank you stackoverflow for the easy to use macro to convert everything to images. Hope there's no more editing to do 
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So, I just got 2 boxes of Dixie Fry in the mail from my extended family, what the actual fuck?
My extended family is weird....
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On October 15 2014 04:57 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 04:16 onlywonderboy wrote:
Yeah, I agree. I'm more than willing to admit our marketing efforts were poor. Your marketing was fine. It was the format and the wall of text that was the bad part.
It also didn't help that a lot of redditors disregarded it because TL wasn't invested in League.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 15 2014 05:15 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 04:57 Sufficiency wrote:On October 15 2014 04:16 onlywonderboy wrote:
Yeah, I agree. I'm more than willing to admit our marketing efforts were poor. Your marketing was fine. It was the format and the wall of text that was the bad part. It also didn't help that a lot of redditors disregarded it because TL wasn't invested in League.
The key to marketing is really to shit talk TSM, look at the wonders it did for thorin
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On October 15 2014 05:17 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 05:15 Gahlo wrote:On October 15 2014 04:57 Sufficiency wrote:On October 15 2014 04:16 onlywonderboy wrote:
Yeah, I agree. I'm more than willing to admit our marketing efforts were poor. Your marketing was fine. It was the format and the wall of text that was the bad part. It also didn't help that a lot of redditors disregarded it because TL wasn't invested in League. The key to marketing is really to shit talk TSM, look at the wonders it did for thorin
Thorin was nowhere near as popular as he is now, largely due to having Monte as a co-host.
It's all who you know, and TL didn't present themselves as knowing anybody.
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On October 15 2014 05:19 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 05:17 Fusilero wrote:On October 15 2014 05:15 Gahlo wrote:On October 15 2014 04:57 Sufficiency wrote:On October 15 2014 04:16 onlywonderboy wrote:
Yeah, I agree. I'm more than willing to admit our marketing efforts were poor. Your marketing was fine. It was the format and the wall of text that was the bad part. It also didn't help that a lot of redditors disregarded it because TL wasn't invested in League. The key to marketing is really to shit talk TSM, look at the wonders it did for thorin Thorin was nowhere near as popular as he is now, largely due to having Monte as a co-host. It's all who you know, and TL didn't present themselves as knowing anybody.
Should have leveraged loco's presence back when the articles were being made :>
I actually think snoopeh once praised the articles
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United States47024 Posts
TL still had its liaisons with Korean teams.
Ultimately it was just an impasse where the writing team didn't want to commit fully to Korean-only coverage without official support, but without something to show for it, official support wasn't forthcoming. One side had to make a leap of faith and neither did.
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If I took a leap of faith would you catch me yango
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So parnage we're getting like 3 packs per full harvest.
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EPT
