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On July 22 2014 23:51 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 23:45 PrinceXizor wrote:
Coma do you think a gold player can beat a gold player without runes? or a gold player cna beat a silver player without having runes?
thats what we're talking about. the runes are a requirement to begin improving. you can't just play focusing on not having runes and expect to improve in the game at all. you just learn to play passively because you lose every trade. you never get to improve yourself beyond where you are at because you are at a disadvantage and have to play vs lesser opponents to win. so you never get exposed to the top play.
I'm sorry i'm not following. of course you should buy runes, i like buying runes, I like using runes lol. i said skill is the most important factor.
you can't focus on skill until you get the runes though, because you'll just keep losing. its a mandatory grind in order to attempt to improve. thats the flaw in it.
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What's a good key setup in Dota2 for someone used to LoL's (1-6 for items etc.)?
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On July 22 2014 23:54 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 23:51 ComaDose wrote:On July 22 2014 23:45 PrinceXizor wrote:
Coma do you think a gold player can beat a gold player without runes? or a gold player cna beat a silver player without having runes?
thats what we're talking about. the runes are a requirement to begin improving. you can't just play focusing on not having runes and expect to improve in the game at all. you just learn to play passively because you lose every trade. you never get to improve yourself beyond where you are at because you are at a disadvantage and have to play vs lesser opponents to win. so you never get exposed to the top play.
I'm sorry i'm not following. of course you should buy runes, i like buying runes, I like using runes lol. i said skill is the most important factor. you can't focus on skill until you get the runes though, because you'll just keep losing. its a mandatory grind in order to attempt to improve. that's the flaw in it.
I disagree and believe that you should usually be focusing on skill, get your 2 rune pages when you are lvl 20 then keep focusing on skill. generally you are matched against people around the same level so there is rarely a rune descrepancy. A gold level person with a generic first 2 rune AD/AP page would probably beat a silver player with faker's rune set up. I'd rather they didn't take away my ability to collect and customize now that i've got IP to throw around. Its not a barrier to playing as much as its an additional feature.
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On July 22 2014 23:45 PrinceXizor wrote:Coma do you think a gold player can beat a gold player without runes? or a gold player cna beat a silver player without having runes? thats what we're talking about. the runes are a requirement to begin improving. you can't just play focusing on not having runes and expect to improve in the game at all. you just learn to play passively because you lose every trade. you never get to improve yourself beyond where you are at because you are at a disadvantage and have to play vs lesser opponents to win. so you never get exposed to the top play. Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 23:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:On July 22 2014 23:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 22 2014 22:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:On July 22 2014 22:54 Cixah wrote:On July 22 2014 22:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I will not be at Liquid`League this month. I'm going down to Wildwood You are the worst kind of people. pls, I'm taking Liquid`League and extending it to 3 days of drinking and frisbee on the beach don't be jelly, zombie man And you call your brother a hipster. hippy != hipster nope. they are the same thing. unless you mean real hippys. which you are not. hipsters play frisbie on the beach. hippies sit around and do drugs and talk about fixing the world.
hipster = flannel, tight pants, decorative glasses, ironically sipping starbucks
for example, my brother's band's newest album is being released on a 7" vinyl because that's what his fan base is going to buy... please don't lump us stoners in with them ridiculous hipsters
+ Show Spoiler +and regardless, I was obviously kidding about the whole thing
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On July 22 2014 23:54 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 23:51 ComaDose wrote:On July 22 2014 23:45 PrinceXizor wrote:
Coma do you think a gold player can beat a gold player without runes? or a gold player cna beat a silver player without having runes?
thats what we're talking about. the runes are a requirement to begin improving. you can't just play focusing on not having runes and expect to improve in the game at all. you just learn to play passively because you lose every trade. you never get to improve yourself beyond where you are at because you are at a disadvantage and have to play vs lesser opponents to win. so you never get exposed to the top play.
I'm sorry i'm not following. of course you should buy runes, i like buying runes, I like using runes lol. i said skill is the most important factor. you can't focus on skill until you get the runes though, because you'll just keep losing. its a mandatory grind in order to attempt to improve. thats the flaw in it.
LOL
this is probably the most absurd notion you've had yet. Runes have nothing to do with improving, all it means is that you will have to make your estimations based on them having slightly better stats but thankfully gold players are so fucking awful thers plenty of opportunity to exploit some time they waste a skill to last hit or something to make up for having like 10 less armour lo
playing vs runes without runes being impossible is like saying beating a lane that should beat you with "perfect play" being impossible. Not being able to win lane because you were "counterpicked" is just a bullshit excuse terrible players use to justify losing.
I mean theoretically no two champions are exactly even anyway so in theory you can never improve because in every matchup you either win the trade or lose the trade at some point and when you're stronger he just wont fight so you lose every trade and have to play passively
good logic px
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How to you ironically sip starbucks? Flannel and tight pants are main stream in Sweden.
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I'm not gonna lie I got to gold without realizing what rune pages were :|. I had no idea runes existed even after i hit 30 cause I just wasn't paying attention
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On July 23 2014 00:10 Eppa! wrote:
How to you ironically sip starbucks? Flannel and tight pants are main stream in Sweden.
Because hipster isn't supposed to be mainstream, and starbucks is about as mainstream as it gets in coffee-shops.
On July 22 2014 22:56 ComaDose wrote:
I understand why a bunch of casuals with no time to grind out good stuff wouldn't want to ever play an mmo or a game where you have to build up your collection of power ups to bring into a match but i can't understand why so many rela gamerz shy away from a lil grind. sounds like children being like boo his artifact is better than mine!
conversely the existence of only one currency makes it seem pretty clear that this will serve to increase blizzards profits which is probably the main reason they did it which is a dick move.
on whether or not runes are good, i think they add a lot of positive to league, having to slightly play around not knowing what your enemies runes are compared to having perfect knowledge of your opponents character every game is a trade off i would personally lean towards the rune side on. it definitely give you room to be more creative, feels good when you set up specific pages and they work well, lets you do unorthodox things with your characters. if we reduced the builds in league by over 2 thirds maybe new players and dota enthusiasts would complain less but i'd probably enjoy the game less too. i had a pretty good time collecting and building my pages over the years.
Also, a lot of "real gamers" are "growing up" and getting a family and such, which reduces time available for gaming grinding.
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On July 22 2014 23:55 Inflicted wrote:
What's a good key setup in Dota2 for someone used to LoL's (1-6 for items etc.)?
I've made myself use Q W E R and F G space as my top 3 item slots. but i also use that for LoL. F and G summoners and space is recall. works really well for me.
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On July 22 2014 23:55 Inflicted wrote:
What's a good key setup in Dota2 for someone used to LoL's (1-6 for items etc.)?
You can still use 1-6. Just use F1 as your hero and F2 as the courier.
I personally use Q W E R D F as skills with 4 5 6 Z X C as inventory in both games. F3 is my shop and 1-3 I use for courier/summons/hero.
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On July 23 2014 00:09 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 23:54 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 22 2014 23:51 ComaDose wrote:On July 22 2014 23:45 PrinceXizor wrote:
Coma do you think a gold player can beat a gold player without runes? or a gold player cna beat a silver player without having runes?
thats what we're talking about. the runes are a requirement to begin improving. you can't just play focusing on not having runes and expect to improve in the game at all. you just learn to play passively because you lose every trade. you never get to improve yourself beyond where you are at because you are at a disadvantage and have to play vs lesser opponents to win. so you never get exposed to the top play.
I'm sorry i'm not following. of course you should buy runes, i like buying runes, I like using runes lol. i said skill is the most important factor. you can't focus on skill until you get the runes though, because you'll just keep losing. its a mandatory grind in order to attempt to improve. thats the flaw in it. LOL this is probably the most absurd notion you've had yet. Runes have nothing to do with improving, all it means is that you will have to make your estimations based on them having slightly better stats but thankfully gold players are so fucking awful thers plenty of opportunity to exploit some time they waste a skill to last hit or something to make up for having like 10 less armour lo playing vs runes without runes being impossible is like saying beating a lane that should beat you with "perfect play" being impossible. Not being able to win lane because you were "counterpicked" is just a bullshit excuse terrible players use to justify losing. I mean theoretically no two champions are exactly even anyway so in theory you can never improve because in every matchup you either win the trade or lose the trade at some point and when you're stronger he just wont fight so you lose every trade and have to play passively good logic px
All you do is flame. please stay out of OT where actual good people discuss things. i want to enjoy this thread without the crap of GD spilling over.
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I use 1-6 for items v b and space for control groups.
Going to Italy in 3 days pretty excited.
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On July 23 2014 00:20 Eppa! wrote:
I use 1-6 for items v b and space for control groups.
Going to Italy in 3 days pretty excited.
Don't make fun of me for this, but what is it like going to a foreign country from another european country? is it exciting and foreign or is it like you are excited to get to the cool place you heard about. travelling overseas from the US has a certain connotation of "adventure" kind of, while travel between states is more about the destination and what you have planned. since the US is too big to have a short trip to foreign countries for most people, i don't know the feeling of travelling across a continent to a foreign land.
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So I can down 2 cups of coffee and still fall asleep when I'm tired but somehow 160mg of caffeine will keep me wired until 6AM.
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You never see people with "oops wrong page/masteries" like the traditional marksman with AP setup still trashing on his opponent?
Yeah.
Sure he has to try harder than otherwise but it's not like he automatically loses from his missclick/Riot's UI fucking up once again.
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On July 23 2014 00:15 Duvon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 22:56 ComaDose wrote:
I understand why a bunch of casuals with no time to grind out good stuff wouldn't want to ever play an mmo or a game where you have to build up your collection of power ups to bring into a match but i can't understand why so many rela gamerz shy away from a lil grind. sounds like children being like boo his artifact is better than mine!
conversely the existence of only one currency makes it seem pretty clear that this will serve to increase blizzards profits which is probably the main reason they did it which is a dick move.
on whether or not runes are good, i think they add a lot of positive to league, having to slightly play around not knowing what your enemies runes are compared to having perfect knowledge of your opponents character every game is a trade off i would personally lean towards the rune side on. it definitely give you room to be more creative, feels good when you set up specific pages and they work well, lets you do unorthodox things with your characters. if we reduced the builds in league by over 2 thirds maybe new players and dota enthusiasts would complain less but i'd probably enjoy the game less too. i had a pretty good time collecting and building my pages over the years. Also, a lot of "real gamers" are "growing up" and getting a family and such, which reduces time available for gaming grinding.
I understand but those people are not complaining when a new mmo comes out because they can't start at level 60 with legendary equipment. Maybe my opinion is tinted by the biggest game out there but its not necessary that everyone starts every game with equal outside advantage (like starcraft) in a moba. I think by the time you are at level 30 you have enough to have a basic set of runes that will make skill the determining factor in your matches. The fact that level 1-29 exists is more of a barrier to play than the existence of rune pages imo.
On July 23 2014 00:24 xes wrote:
So I can down 2 cups of coffee and still fall asleep when I'm tired but somehow 160mg of caffeine will keep me wired until 6AM.
I believe that two cups of coffee contain about 160 mg of caffeine no? i wonder why this happened to you.
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On July 23 2014 00:20 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 00:09 Slayer91 wrote:On July 22 2014 23:54 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 22 2014 23:51 ComaDose wrote:On July 22 2014 23:45 PrinceXizor wrote:
Coma do you think a gold player can beat a gold player without runes? or a gold player cna beat a silver player without having runes?
thats what we're talking about. the runes are a requirement to begin improving. you can't just play focusing on not having runes and expect to improve in the game at all. you just learn to play passively because you lose every trade. you never get to improve yourself beyond where you are at because you are at a disadvantage and have to play vs lesser opponents to win. so you never get exposed to the top play.
I'm sorry i'm not following. of course you should buy runes, i like buying runes, I like using runes lol. i said skill is the most important factor. you can't focus on skill until you get the runes though, because you'll just keep losing. its a mandatory grind in order to attempt to improve. thats the flaw in it. LOL this is probably the most absurd notion you've had yet. Runes have nothing to do with improving, all it means is that you will have to make your estimations based on them having slightly better stats but thankfully gold players are so fucking awful thers plenty of opportunity to exploit some time they waste a skill to last hit or something to make up for having like 10 less armour lo playing vs runes without runes being impossible is like saying beating a lane that should beat you with "perfect play" being impossible. Not being able to win lane because you were "counterpicked" is just a bullshit excuse terrible players use to justify losing. I mean theoretically no two champions are exactly even anyway so in theory you can never improve because in every matchup you either win the trade or lose the trade at some point and when you're stronger he just wont fight so you lose every trade and have to play passively good logic px All you do is flame. please stay out of OT where actual good people discuss things. i want to enjoy this thread without the crap of GD spilling over.
can you please stay on topic? nothing you just said is actually discussion, the entire post was ad hominem
I was replying to your post about improving I was merely stating out facts when I said it was absurd. I don't think anyone else would disagree with me.
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On July 23 2014 00:25 Slayer91 wrote:
can you please stay on topic? .
Off-Topic General Discussion - Page 2559
i am. don't try to flamebait me plz. i get it every post i make in GD, the people here are at least civil, let me be.
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On July 23 2014 00:27 PrinceXizor wrote:i am. don't try to flamebait me plz. i get it every post i make in GD, the people are are at least civil, let me be.
that last post you made was clearly directed at me and not the content of my post. Do you disagree with that?
That's the definition of ad hominem. Your posts are wrought with false assumptions and you brush aside direct criticism as "flamebait".
If you mean by being offtopic in the offtopic thread, the original post which I was talking about was about league of legeds, so if it makes you happy, I reported it for being on-topic in the off-topic thread.
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On July 23 2014 00:11 Nos- wrote:
I'm not gonna lie I got to gold without realizing what rune pages were :|. I had no idea runes existed even after i hit 30 cause I just wasn't paying attention
i've never been to gold and i have 18 rune pages and all the fancy hybrid runes. *cries in corner*
oh snap this one was on topic but previously i was trying to make it about heroes of the storm
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