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On October 10 2013 05:23 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 05:21 Roffles wrote:On October 10 2013 05:19 wei2coolman wrote:On October 10 2013 05:15 Roffles wrote:
The berating isn't the best and rarely helps people to learn, but what does it matter if he's playing Heimer? He's still by far the best player in the game (stxz is a feeder scrub stuck in plat), and he knows how to jungle well. That alone gives him the room to speak whatever he wants (though he needs to tone it down and expect legit Bronzes to be bad).
Playing Heimer is whatever. It's the player that gives the advice. The champion he's playing is irrelevant. Criticism is fine, berating people when your playing heimer is not. What does Heimer have anything to do with his berating? If he were playing Ahri, does that give him any more privilege to berate people? Pretty much picking heimer, says 'yo not really trying this game' and then starts shitting on his teammates for a mistake? Thats soloq level of toxicity.
For once I agree with wei2coolman
It's just exhibiting a really stupid attitude that tells the other people "I'm better than you this isn't worth my time I'm just here to dick around."
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On October 10 2013 05:21 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 05:15 Roffles wrote:
The berating isn't the best and rarely helps people to learn, but what does it matter if he's playing Heimer? He's still by far the best player in the game (stxz is a feeder scrub stuck in plat), and he knows how to jungle well. That alone gives him the room to speak whatever he wants (though he needs to tone it down and expect legit Bronzes to be bad).
Playing Heimer is whatever. It's the player that gives the advice. The champion he's playing is irrelevant. That just turns this into another trollhouse where diamonds come to inflate their egos by stomping on noobs with trollpicks, which is part of why I never liked how TL generally did in houses to begin with. It makes it no different than playing random solo q.
While I agree berating is bad, people need to know where they're screwing up in order to improve in the game. Shit happens, deal with it. Learn from it and stop being a fucking crybaby about it.
People tell you your shit, your first instinct should be to think "Why am I so shit?" instead of being defensive about it. Always step 1 towards improving.
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United States37500 Posts
On October 10 2013 05:21 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 05:17 NeoIllusions wrote:
If people are going to continue to pick shit like Heimer in games I'm not participating in, I'm just going to flat out ban them from IHs. Please, list of "shit like Heimer" please so everybody knows what you're talking about
Just go away. You don't even play in these.
Our regulars know what is and is not allowed without me spending the time to explicitly splits champions into two lists.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On October 10 2013 05:23 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 05:21 Roffles wrote:On October 10 2013 05:19 wei2coolman wrote:On October 10 2013 05:15 Roffles wrote:
The berating isn't the best and rarely helps people to learn, but what does it matter if he's playing Heimer? He's still by far the best player in the game (stxz is a feeder scrub stuck in plat), and he knows how to jungle well. That alone gives him the room to speak whatever he wants (though he needs to tone it down and expect legit Bronzes to be bad).
Playing Heimer is whatever. It's the player that gives the advice. The champion he's playing is irrelevant. Criticism is fine, berating people when your playing heimer is not. What does Heimer have anything to do with his berating? If he were playing Ahri, does that give him any more privilege to berate people? Pretty much picking heimer, says 'yo not really trying this game' and then starts shitting on his teammates for a mistake? Thats soloq level of toxicity.
Highly disagree. You have the chance to learn from someone (who albeit is an ass) that's way better than you. You're gonna cry about it? Or are you gonna suck it up and learn and get better.
You can choose.
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United States37500 Posts
On October 10 2013 05:25 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 05:21 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 10 2013 05:15 Roffles wrote:
The berating isn't the best and rarely helps people to learn, but what does it matter if he's playing Heimer? He's still by far the best player in the game (stxz is a feeder scrub stuck in plat), and he knows how to jungle well. That alone gives him the room to speak whatever he wants (though he needs to tone it down and expect legit Bronzes to be bad).
Playing Heimer is whatever. It's the player that gives the advice. The champion he's playing is irrelevant. That just turns this into another trollhouse where diamonds come to inflate their egos by stomping on noobs with trollpicks, which is part of why I never liked how TL generally did in houses to begin with. It makes it no different than playing random solo q. While I agree berating is bad, people need to know where they're screwing up in order to improve in the game. Shit happens, deal with it. Learn from it and stop being a fucking crybaby about it. People tell you your shit, your first instinct should be to think "Why am I so shit?" instead of being defensive about it. Always step 1 towards improving.
Like I said before, there needs to be a line. The "tough love" schtick only goes so far. After a certain point, you're just being an asshole to other community members and it doesn't matter how much truth you're spitting.
Delivery matters.
On October 10 2013 05:26 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 05:23 wei2coolman wrote:On October 10 2013 05:21 Roffles wrote:On October 10 2013 05:19 wei2coolman wrote:On October 10 2013 05:15 Roffles wrote:
The berating isn't the best and rarely helps people to learn, but what does it matter if he's playing Heimer? He's still by far the best player in the game (stxz is a feeder scrub stuck in plat), and he knows how to jungle well. That alone gives him the room to speak whatever he wants (though he needs to tone it down and expect legit Bronzes to be bad).
Playing Heimer is whatever. It's the player that gives the advice. The champion he's playing is irrelevant. Criticism is fine, berating people when your playing heimer is not. What does Heimer have anything to do with his berating? If he were playing Ahri, does that give him any more privilege to berate people? Pretty much picking heimer, says 'yo not really trying this game' and then starts shitting on his teammates for a mistake? Thats soloq level of toxicity. Highly disagree. You have the chance to learn from someone (who albeit is an ass) that's way better than you. You're gonna cry about it? Or are you gonna suck it up and learn and get better. You can choose.
If there is a majority that doesn't want to accept your style of teaching, you should probably stop shoving it down their throats.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On October 10 2013 05:24 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 05:23 wei2coolman wrote:On October 10 2013 05:21 Roffles wrote:On October 10 2013 05:19 wei2coolman wrote:On October 10 2013 05:15 Roffles wrote:
The berating isn't the best and rarely helps people to learn, but what does it matter if he's playing Heimer? He's still by far the best player in the game (stxz is a feeder scrub stuck in plat), and he knows how to jungle well. That alone gives him the room to speak whatever he wants (though he needs to tone it down and expect legit Bronzes to be bad).
Playing Heimer is whatever. It's the player that gives the advice. The champion he's playing is irrelevant. Criticism is fine, berating people when your playing heimer is not. What does Heimer have anything to do with his berating? If he were playing Ahri, does that give him any more privilege to berate people? Pretty much picking heimer, says 'yo not really trying this game' and then starts shitting on his teammates for a mistake? Thats soloq level of toxicity. For once I agree with wei2coolman It's just exhibiting a really stupid attitude that tells the other people "I'm better than you this isn't worth my time I'm just here to dick around."
Yes, they're clearly troll picks. But what wei2coolman failed to mention was that during the game he was actively attempting to give him pointers. He just wouldn't listen, so it blew up after the game.
People aren't just assholes for no reason.
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On October 10 2013 05:27 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 05:24 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 10 2013 05:23 wei2coolman wrote:On October 10 2013 05:21 Roffles wrote:On October 10 2013 05:19 wei2coolman wrote:On October 10 2013 05:15 Roffles wrote:
The berating isn't the best and rarely helps people to learn, but what does it matter if he's playing Heimer? He's still by far the best player in the game (stxz is a feeder scrub stuck in plat), and he knows how to jungle well. That alone gives him the room to speak whatever he wants (though he needs to tone it down and expect legit Bronzes to be bad).
Playing Heimer is whatever. It's the player that gives the advice. The champion he's playing is irrelevant. Criticism is fine, berating people when your playing heimer is not. What does Heimer have anything to do with his berating? If he were playing Ahri, does that give him any more privilege to berate people? Pretty much picking heimer, says 'yo not really trying this game' and then starts shitting on his teammates for a mistake? Thats soloq level of toxicity. For once I agree with wei2coolman It's just exhibiting a really stupid attitude that tells the other people "I'm better than you this isn't worth my time I'm just here to dick around." Yes, they're clearly troll picks. But what wei2coolman failed to mention was that during the game he was actively attempting to give him pointers. He just wouldn't listen, so it blew up after the game. People aren't just assholes for no reason.
SAYS RAWFULZ
toxic poster pls
I mean I can believe wei2coolman was probably being a obstinate piece of shit who doesn't listen to advice but that doesn't make troll picking Heimer any more legitimate.
Even if someone was there listening and internalizing all the advice being given because it was (presumably) decent advice, it still doesn't make the act of trollpicking Heimer any less of an issue. Don't try to conflate the personal case of someone whining/not listening to advice with the larger issue of this whole thing going down the slippery of slope of turning into trollhouses.
On October 10 2013 05:27 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 05:25 Roffles wrote:On October 10 2013 05:21 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 10 2013 05:15 Roffles wrote:
The berating isn't the best and rarely helps people to learn, but what does it matter if he's playing Heimer? He's still by far the best player in the game (stxz is a feeder scrub stuck in plat), and he knows how to jungle well. That alone gives him the room to speak whatever he wants (though he needs to tone it down and expect legit Bronzes to be bad).
Playing Heimer is whatever. It's the player that gives the advice. The champion he's playing is irrelevant. That just turns this into another trollhouse where diamonds come to inflate their egos by stomping on noobs with trollpicks, which is part of why I never liked how TL generally did in houses to begin with. It makes it no different than playing random solo q. While I agree berating is bad, people need to know where they're screwing up in order to improve in the game. Shit happens, deal with it. Learn from it and stop being a fucking crybaby about it. People tell you your shit, your first instinct should be to think "Why am I so shit?" instead of being defensive about it. Always step 1 towards improving. Like I said before, there needs to be a line. The "tough love" schtick only goes so far. After a certain point, you're just being an asshole to other community members and it doesn't matter how much truth you're spitting. Delivery matters. Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 05:26 Roffles wrote:On October 10 2013 05:23 wei2coolman wrote:On October 10 2013 05:21 Roffles wrote:On October 10 2013 05:19 wei2coolman wrote:On October 10 2013 05:15 Roffles wrote:
The berating isn't the best and rarely helps people to learn, but what does it matter if he's playing Heimer? He's still by far the best player in the game (stxz is a feeder scrub stuck in plat), and he knows how to jungle well. That alone gives him the room to speak whatever he wants (though he needs to tone it down and expect legit Bronzes to be bad).
Playing Heimer is whatever. It's the player that gives the advice. The champion he's playing is irrelevant. Criticism is fine, berating people when your playing heimer is not. What does Heimer have anything to do with his berating? If he were playing Ahri, does that give him any more privilege to berate people? Pretty much picking heimer, says 'yo not really trying this game' and then starts shitting on his teammates for a mistake? Thats soloq level of toxicity. Highly disagree. You have the chance to learn from someone (who albeit is an ass) that's way better than you. You're gonna cry about it? Or are you gonna suck it up and learn and get better. You can choose. If there is a majority that doesn't want to accept your style of teaching, you should probably stop shoving it down their throats.
til roffles is just a rapist...
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Go about it in a different way. A lot of the times you guys come off as very mean spirited, whether it was intentional or not. I like playing in and watching these, I like talking / listening to the good and bad players prior to and after the games, but sometimes the discussion does get a little too inflammatory for actual learning to occur for some people. There are those who take this kind of conversation in stride, that much is obvious, but I'd wager there's a lot more who don't.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Regardless of how other people are, being an ass and doing things like picking Heimer does not in any way justify your position or suddenly make you right. It's still wrong. Period.
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rufflez is just biased cause he wants to see as much donger as possible
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On October 10 2013 05:30 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 05:27 Roffles wrote:On October 10 2013 05:24 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 10 2013 05:23 wei2coolman wrote:On October 10 2013 05:21 Roffles wrote:On October 10 2013 05:19 wei2coolman wrote:On October 10 2013 05:15 Roffles wrote:
The berating isn't the best and rarely helps people to learn, but what does it matter if he's playing Heimer? He's still by far the best player in the game (stxz is a feeder scrub stuck in plat), and he knows how to jungle well. That alone gives him the room to speak whatever he wants (though he needs to tone it down and expect legit Bronzes to be bad).
Playing Heimer is whatever. It's the player that gives the advice. The champion he's playing is irrelevant. Criticism is fine, berating people when your playing heimer is not. What does Heimer have anything to do with his berating? If he were playing Ahri, does that give him any more privilege to berate people? Pretty much picking heimer, says 'yo not really trying this game' and then starts shitting on his teammates for a mistake? Thats soloq level of toxicity. For once I agree with wei2coolman It's just exhibiting a really stupid attitude that tells the other people "I'm better than you this isn't worth my time I'm just here to dick around." Yes, they're clearly troll picks. But what wei2coolman failed to mention was that during the game he was actively attempting to give him pointers. He just wouldn't listen, so it blew up after the game. People aren't just assholes for no reason. SAYS RAWFULZ toxic poster pls I mean I can believe wei2coolman was probably being a obstinate piece of shit who doesn't listen to advice but that doesn't make troll picking Heimer any more legitimate. Even if someone was there listening and internalizing all the advice being given because it was (presumably) decent advice, it still doesn't make the act of trollpicking Heimer any less of an issue. Don't try to conflate the personal case of someone whining/not listening to advice with the larger issue of this whole thing going down the slippery of slope of turning into trollhouses. Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 05:27 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 10 2013 05:25 Roffles wrote:On October 10 2013 05:21 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:On October 10 2013 05:15 Roffles wrote:
The berating isn't the best and rarely helps people to learn, but what does it matter if he's playing Heimer? He's still by far the best player in the game (stxz is a feeder scrub stuck in plat), and he knows how to jungle well. That alone gives him the room to speak whatever he wants (though he needs to tone it down and expect legit Bronzes to be bad).
Playing Heimer is whatever. It's the player that gives the advice. The champion he's playing is irrelevant. That just turns this into another trollhouse where diamonds come to inflate their egos by stomping on noobs with trollpicks, which is part of why I never liked how TL generally did in houses to begin with. It makes it no different than playing random solo q. While I agree berating is bad, people need to know where they're screwing up in order to improve in the game. Shit happens, deal with it. Learn from it and stop being a fucking crybaby about it. People tell you your shit, your first instinct should be to think "Why am I so shit?" instead of being defensive about it. Always step 1 towards improving. Like I said before, there needs to be a line. The "tough love" schtick only goes so far. After a certain point, you're just being an asshole to other community members and it doesn't matter how much truth you're spitting. Delivery matters. On October 10 2013 05:26 Roffles wrote:On October 10 2013 05:23 wei2coolman wrote:On October 10 2013 05:21 Roffles wrote:On October 10 2013 05:19 wei2coolman wrote:On October 10 2013 05:15 Roffles wrote:
The berating isn't the best and rarely helps people to learn, but what does it matter if he's playing Heimer? He's still by far the best player in the game (stxz is a feeder scrub stuck in plat), and he knows how to jungle well. That alone gives him the room to speak whatever he wants (though he needs to tone it down and expect legit Bronzes to be bad).
Playing Heimer is whatever. It's the player that gives the advice. The champion he's playing is irrelevant. Criticism is fine, berating people when your playing heimer is not. What does Heimer have anything to do with his berating? If he were playing Ahri, does that give him any more privilege to berate people? Pretty much picking heimer, says 'yo not really trying this game' and then starts shitting on his teammates for a mistake? Thats soloq level of toxicity. Highly disagree. You have the chance to learn from someone (who albeit is an ass) that's way better than you. You're gonna cry about it? Or are you gonna suck it up and learn and get better. You can choose. If there is a majority that doesn't want to accept your style of teaching, you should probably stop shoving it down their throats. til roffles is just a rapist...
What? I'd like to think I'm one of the more receptive players in these IHs.....
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On October 10 2013 05:34 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
rufflez is just biased cause he wants to see as much donger as possible
no one wants to see wolf dongers
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DURR going overboard with his berating of the Shyvanna player, and him picking Heimer mid are two entirely different issues.
Playing Heimer doesn't make your criticism of another player any more or less legitimate.
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On October 10 2013 05:46 xes wrote:
DURR going overboard with his berating of the Shyvanna player, and him picking Heimer mid are two entirely different issues.
Playing Heimer doesn't make your criticism of another player any more or less legitimate.
I agree, but similarly, giving legitimate criticism doesn't make picking Heimer any more or less acceptable.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 09 2013 14:35 KissBlade wrote:
Two good IH's but ppl logged off too early. =(
Edit: I think we should be discussing why the participation has lowered in the last few days. For example, is it due to people trying to get to ranked, people dont' feel there's enough practice, too much trolling, etc. Ideally we should solve this issue before it turns into another AFKpractice IMO.
I play in the IH's every now and then as like a "booster shot" of skill, but:
1) It takes forever to set up a game;
2) End of season is coming up very soon, and I want to get my reward 
If I run into another serious rut, I'll obviously be back, but with limited time I have to try to grind my way up. I'm winning ~60% of my games (~80% of games where I don't have a disconnect on my team, ~75% of games without a disconnect on either team), and at that rate it leaves very little time for me to get to my ranked goal.
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On October 10 2013 05:47 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 05:46 xes wrote:
DURR going overboard with his berating of the Shyvanna player, and him picking Heimer mid are two entirely different issues.
Playing Heimer doesn't make your criticism of another player any more or less legitimate. I agree, but similarly, giving legitimate criticism doesn't make picking Heimer any more or less acceptable.
I'm not sure anyone is arguing that playing Heimer is acceptable given Neo's rules.
DURR was kind of dick to this specific player and also he played Heimer, but wei2coolman is somehow implying that DURR was a dick because he was playing Heimer which is a totally dumb argument. The criticism was heavy handed, but also legitimate, and had nothing to do with picking Heimer.
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What, I wasn't implying that. What I waa getting at was the criticism doesn't fit well when your playing a troll pick. It's like a fat guy eating a cupcake telling some dude that his running form is wrong.
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On October 10 2013 05:53 wei2coolman wrote:
What, I wasn't implying that. What I waa getting at was the criticism doesn't fit well when your playing a troll pick. It's like a fat guy eating a cupcake telling some dude that his running form is wrong.
So what? Doesn't mean you don't listen to him if your running form is wrong.
So in the end, let's just agree that you're all wrong ^_^
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On October 10 2013 05:53 wei2coolman wrote:
What, I wasn't implying that. What I waa getting at was the criticism doesn't fit well when your playing a troll pick. It's like a fat guy eating a cupcake telling some dude that his running form is wrong.
Change your analogy to "a runner that just finished their season pigging out on ice cream telling an overweight guy trying to lose weight that his form is wrong" and that might be more accurate.
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I haven't been playing the last few days because my life has been hectic and I haven't been around at the right time. I'll be back.
Also being completely unwilling to accept criticism is IMO worse than berating a player for not accepting criticism. That's the whole point of these IHs -- for bad players to get criticism from good players and get better. If you don't want to accept what one of the 5 best players in the IHs says to you, get the fuck out. I'm not saying don't have a conversation about it, but if you flatly deny that you're making a mistake, it makes everyone else's experience worse because you're not getting better, people get annoyed, and ultimately you're throwing a game and not doing anything to stop that.
I wasn't there to see this particular incident between DURR and a bronze, but I've played a bunch of games with and against DURR and the only time's I've seen him get annoyed are when people don't own up to mistakes or at least engage in a real conversation about what they should have been doing instead.
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