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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-29 11:20:34
February 29 2024 11:18 GMT
#21
Maru bag of builds is mariana trench levels deep
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
February 29 2024 11:27 GMT
#22
Maru's made a few mistakes in this game 2 with his build. The concussive shell that Tasteless kept talking about was one of them. researching Stim when he was going to go straight mech was another.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
February 29 2024 11:56 GMT
#23
This series pretty much summarizes Mech in TvZ. When your opponent isn't expecting it, it can absolutely steamroll them. But when you become predictable and open Mech over and over again it gives your opponent the ability to counter you much more reliably and you lack the flexibility to maintain good positions going into the late game.

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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
February 29 2024 12:05 GMT
#24
LOL
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HeroSandro
Profile Joined July 2019
524 Posts
February 29 2024 12:05 GMT
#25
Shin is really throwing this away.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
February 29 2024 12:06 GMT
#26
Wow Shin.....
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
445 Posts
February 29 2024 12:07 GMT
#27
On February 29 2024 20:27 Vindicare605 wrote:
Maru's made a few mistakes in this game 2 with his build. The concussive shell that Tasteless kept talking about was one of them. researching Stim when he was going to go straight mech was another.


I'm pretty sure that research was a fakeout.

Man, what a comeback from Maru in Game 3... but he definitely doesn't feel like he's in top form...
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3340 Posts
February 29 2024 12:10 GMT
#28
Mech just isnt good unless you can hide it long enough from Zerg, period. Not sure why we need to see Maru struggling like this to figure that out.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
February 29 2024 12:10 GMT
#29
Poor Ragnarok dude, he must have nightmares about Maru. If he can't beat him in that series with as many leads as he had. I don't know when he would beat him.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15917 Posts
February 29 2024 12:10 GMT
#30
almost thought Shin was gonna win his first series vs Maru
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
February 29 2024 12:18 GMT
#31
welp. ZvZ for the rest of the night. Wishing DRG luck but after how that first round went doesn't seem like he's r eally in the kind of form needed to advance to the next round. Shin will probably take second place.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10324 Posts
February 29 2024 12:40 GMT
#32
That g3 Maru vs SHIN was awesome, great TvZ mech game, and a lategame macro game on Site Delta. Love all those things together!
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LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4545 Posts
February 29 2024 13:09 GMT
#33
Shin messed up his g3 against Maru by forgetting to mine gas =/

But he recovered with his ZvZ
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Nasigil
Profile Joined July 2023
137 Posts
February 29 2024 18:17 GMT
#34
After getting used to Serral's ZvT it's painful to watch Shin's late game against Maru.

Terrible use of Vipers and Infestors - gets nothing done other than getting EMPed or blown up by tanks. Doesn't know how to ling run by. Doesn't know how to use drop or nydus to look for openings in Terran's defense. All he did was making Roach/Ravager/Hydra/Ling over and over and run them head on into Maru's well established siege lines.

Of course he lost to Maru every time.
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3368 Posts
February 29 2024 22:09 GMT
#35
Oof, first time ever today I felt GSL looked like an NA weekly cup. Lol.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6873 Posts
March 01 2024 12:42 GMT
#36
On March 01 2024 03:17 Nasigil wrote:
After getting used to Serral's ZvT it's painful to watch Shin's late game against Maru.

Terrible use of Vipers and Infestors - gets nothing done other than getting EMPed or blown up by tanks. Doesn't know how to ling run by. Doesn't know how to use drop or nydus to look for openings in Terran's defense. All he did was making Roach/Ravager/Hydra/Ling over and over and run them head on into Maru's well established siege lines.

Of course he lost to Maru every time.


Both Shin and soO.

I was never in doubt that Maru is actually going to win both series. After the IEM finals, every other lategame TvZ feels just meh.
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24995 Posts
March 01 2024 17:38 GMT
#37
I wonder why Maru chose to play like that? His mech was good enough today and he did make it out. Equally it was tighter than it maybe could have been, and my lord someone like Serral would have dismantled him.

To me if you want to play a bit off-standard you either have to be hiding something, or alternatively have a ‘new standard’ that’s extremely potent.

Maru’s regular TvZ is no mystery at all to anyone, so I don’t see what he’s really gaining from not playing it. And even in Maru’s hands mech still seems too weak to supplant bio styles.

Maybe the injury is giving him issues? Only reason I can come up with really.

soO is looking better than I’ve seen in some time, so that’s cool! Hopefully he can start making a dent in the odd tournament.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19228 Posts
March 02 2024 03:11 GMT
#38
Maru made ghosts look so imba. He gets major credit for that play.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-02 03:17:11
March 02 2024 03:15 GMT
#39
On March 02 2024 02:38 WombaT wrote:
I wonder why Maru chose to play like that? His mech was good enough today and he did make it out. Equally it was tighter than it maybe could have been, and my lord someone like Serral would have dismantled him.

To me if you want to play a bit off-standard you either have to be hiding something, or alternatively have a ‘new standard’ that’s extremely potent.

Maru’s regular TvZ is no mystery at all to anyone, so I don’t see what he’s really gaining from not playing it. And even in Maru’s hands mech still seems too weak to supplant bio styles.

Maybe the injury is giving him issues? Only reason I can come up with really.

soO is looking better than I’ve seen in some time, so that’s cool! Hopefully he can start making a dent in the odd tournament.


I think it could be pretty easily explained by Maru not taking his group very seriously. It's a bad habit he's known for especially early in tournaments and especially vs Zerg opponents.

Considering his record against everyone in this group, it's hard to blame him, except that he's being held to the highest possible of standards.

It does seem to me like he tries to not overdo it in as many matches as he can nowadays, whether that's due to injury and trying to keep himself healthy or because he doesn't have the same drive as he used to I'm not sure. But with a career as long as his, and with the state of the Korean scene being what it is, either explanation can be very plausible.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24995 Posts
March 02 2024 12:54 GMT
#40
On March 02 2024 12:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2024 02:38 WombaT wrote:
I wonder why Maru chose to play like that? His mech was good enough today and he did make it out. Equally it was tighter than it maybe could have been, and my lord someone like Serral would have dismantled him.

To me if you want to play a bit off-standard you either have to be hiding something, or alternatively have a ‘new standard’ that’s extremely potent.

Maru’s regular TvZ is no mystery at all to anyone, so I don’t see what he’s really gaining from not playing it. And even in Maru’s hands mech still seems too weak to supplant bio styles.

Maybe the injury is giving him issues? Only reason I can come up with really.

soO is looking better than I’ve seen in some time, so that’s cool! Hopefully he can start making a dent in the odd tournament.


I think it could be pretty easily explained by Maru not taking his group very seriously. It's a bad habit he's known for especially early in tournaments and especially vs Zerg opponents.

Considering his record against everyone in this group, it's hard to blame him, except that he's being held to the highest possible of standards.

It does seem to me like he tries to not overdo it in as many matches as he can nowadays, whether that's due to injury and trying to keep himself healthy or because he doesn't have the same drive as he used to I'm not sure. But with a career as long as his, and with the state of the Korean scene being what it is, either explanation can be very plausible.

Aye I’m not even being particularly critical of Maru, just curious.

It would seem if you were just coasting in second gear you’d play something close to your regular style that’s proved very effective against these opponents recently. Rather than bring out something less tried and tested. Almost play your go-to ladder mainstays, maybe with a few tweaks.

Or perhaps he’s found mech very resilient to aggression and timings and chose to employ it to make him hard to kill, and realistically if he was to drop out it would be via those things. So mech having those late game issues is perhaps a price worth paying for relative safety.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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