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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12915 Posts
November 20 2022 20:32 GMT
#301
herO demolishing Maru this game, this series took a 180 turn
WriterMaru
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16063 Posts
November 20 2022 20:34 GMT
#302
On November 21 2022 05:27 TossHeroes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 04:08 Lokol18 wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:07 tigera6 wrote:
A non-Zerg winning DH Global offline tournament? Oh now they gonna have another excuse to nerf the map pool into IEM,


Oh absolutely. Heck I'm expecting half of reddit to start saying that zerg needs a buff


Of course Zergs needs a buff. After years of terrans buffs it’s about time

When players such as cure and bunny are winning championships the race needs a nerf.

When players such as elazer, Lambo, solar, etc are winning championships then we can talk about a Zerg nerf

But most of all my Protoss brothers need a buff

comparing the 2nd and 3rd best terran to the 4th to 6th best Zerg. Not to mention Bunny and Cure have combined won one championship
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
November 20 2022 20:35 GMT
#303
On November 21 2022 05:30 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 05:19 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
I was always talking about the fact that a Disruptor can 1hit nearly half a clumped midgame terran army, and units clump naturally in SC2 compared to SC1, and if you aren't looking at the army when the nova comes in, that's it, you've lost half the army in 1 second and there is no reaction or counterplay to do at that point. No unit in SC1 can singularly swing a game in that extreme a fashion.

It's not like storm which does damage over time, all the damage is done at once, so stuff like reactoin time, which traditionally distinguished "better players" from "worse players" in SC, simply has no place in this interaction. In comparison, something like storm is very different.


There's literally 2.1 seconds for you to react, and a variety of responses you can have to prevent the damage from happening. Your hypothetical relies heavily on "not looking at your army", but awareness of where your army is, where your opponent's army is, and seeing units on the minimap are things that "traditionally distinguished "better players" from "worse players" in SC", so I don't see your concern. If the Protoss took the risk of moving an extremely valuable and extremely vulnerable unit in place to catch your units unattended, then the benefits of the gamble match the risk. If the Protoss loses their splash damage from this move, that midgame Terran army is going to roll over them. What's the issue?

I didn't say it was broken, I said it was overly hit or miss.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
November 20 2022 20:36 GMT
#304
On November 21 2022 05:34 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 05:27 TossHeroes wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:08 Lokol18 wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:07 tigera6 wrote:
A non-Zerg winning DH Global offline tournament? Oh now they gonna have another excuse to nerf the map pool into IEM,


Oh absolutely. Heck I'm expecting half of reddit to start saying that zerg needs a buff


Of course Zergs needs a buff. After years of terrans buffs it’s about time

When players such as cure and bunny are winning championships the race needs a nerf.

When players such as elazer, Lambo, solar, etc are winning championships then we can talk about a Zerg nerf

But most of all my Protoss brothers need a buff

comparing the 2nd and 3rd best terran to the 4th to 6th best Zerg. Not to mention Bunny and Cure have combined won one championship


You can ignore him. He's a troll account.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
November 20 2022 20:37 GMT
#305
Maru must be nearly totally out of money.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
November 20 2022 20:37 GMT
#306
Is there a delay on the streams the casters are seeing or something? They're getting the battle commentary wrong a LOT today.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
ZeroByte13
Profile Joined March 2022
796 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-20 20:40:07
November 20 2022 20:38 GMT
#307
Comparing Elazer/Lambo to Cure/Bunny - and even then, Cure and Bunny won exactly one championship between two of them - is the next level of delusion.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
November 20 2022 20:39 GMT
#308
scv pull into probe pull into another scv pull lol
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
November 20 2022 20:39 GMT
#309
On November 21 2022 05:35 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 05:30 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On November 21 2022 05:19 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
I was always talking about the fact that a Disruptor can 1hit nearly half a clumped midgame terran army, and units clump naturally in SC2 compared to SC1, and if you aren't looking at the army when the nova comes in, that's it, you've lost half the army in 1 second and there is no reaction or counterplay to do at that point. No unit in SC1 can singularly swing a game in that extreme a fashion.

It's not like storm which does damage over time, all the damage is done at once, so stuff like reactoin time, which traditionally distinguished "better players" from "worse players" in SC, simply has no place in this interaction. In comparison, something like storm is very different.


There's literally 2.1 seconds for you to react, and a variety of responses you can have to prevent the damage from happening. Your hypothetical relies heavily on "not looking at your army", but awareness of where your army is, where your opponent's army is, and seeing units on the minimap are things that "traditionally distinguished "better players" from "worse players" in SC", so I don't see your concern. If the Protoss took the risk of moving an extremely valuable and extremely vulnerable unit in place to catch your units unattended, then the benefits of the gamble match the risk. If the Protoss loses their splash damage from this move, that midgame Terran army is going to roll over them. What's the issue?

I didn't say it was broken, I said it was overly hit or miss.


I was contesting the part where you said it didn't distinguish between better and worse players. One of the reasons I love Disruptors so much is because they do distinguish between good and bad players a lot., and the post which started this conversation was about that: Hero and Maru's first game had some exemplary demonstrations of Disruptor skill in that three-sided Disruptor flank, and some exemplary Disruptor misplay when Hero allowed Maru to sweep in and destroy all his exposed Disruptors.

If even Hero can make such massive blunders with his Disruptors, to me that certainly proves how much skill goes into using them properly.

That you don't like their volatility I can accept. That's just us having different tastes.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
November 20 2022 20:41 GMT
#310
in every programer computer screen, should be a post it saying: "Do not fight vs battery overcharge"
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
November 20 2022 20:41 GMT
#311
On November 20 2022 12:54 Vindicare605 wrote:
Of course what the crowd WANTS is for Maru vs Serral to be the finals. Since we are so frequently robbed of that, and considering what kind of event this is, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we're going to get Bunny vs herO in the finals, with Bunny winning 4-3.


LOL. The power of the meme is looking strong.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12915 Posts
November 20 2022 20:42 GMT
#312
Sorry Maru I forgot you were godlike and thought it was over but you almost pulled off another miracle
I shall stay hopeful until the very end for this next game
WriterMaru
TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-20 20:47:26
November 20 2022 20:44 GMT
#313
On November 21 2022 05:34 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 05:27 TossHeroes wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:08 Lokol18 wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:07 tigera6 wrote:
A non-Zerg winning DH Global offline tournament? Oh now they gonna have another excuse to nerf the map pool into IEM,


Oh absolutely. Heck I'm expecting half of reddit to start saying that zerg needs a buff


Of course Zergs needs a buff. After years of terrans buffs it’s about time

When players such as cure and bunny are winning championships the race needs a nerf.

When players such as elazer, Lambo, solar, etc are winning championships then we can talk about a Zerg nerf

But most of all my Protoss brothers need a buff

comparing the 2nd and 3rd best terran to the 4th to 6th best Zerg. Not to mention Bunny and Cure have combined won one championship



What did cure accomplished before the terran buff? Magically he won a GSL right after the patch. And went back to being irreverent straight after that championship.

Bunny lol. He was a pure gatekeeper similar to solar. Now all a sudden he is one of the best in the world?

Terrans fans always make me chuckle

What’s the terran fan base gonna tell us next? That gumiho is a championship contender every tournament
Damnitmynameistaken
Profile Joined May 2015
United States187 Posts
November 20 2022 20:44 GMT
#314
Looks like the all CJ Entus final is on the menu bois
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
November 20 2022 20:46 GMT
#315
On November 21 2022 05:44 TossHeroes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 05:34 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 21 2022 05:27 TossHeroes wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:08 Lokol18 wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:07 tigera6 wrote:
A non-Zerg winning DH Global offline tournament? Oh now they gonna have another excuse to nerf the map pool into IEM,


Oh absolutely. Heck I'm expecting half of reddit to start saying that zerg needs a buff


Of course Zergs needs a buff. After years of terrans buffs it’s about time

When players such as cure and bunny are winning championships the race needs a nerf.

When players such as elazer, Lambo, solar, etc are winning championships then we can talk about a Zerg nerf

But most of all my Protoss brothers need a buff

comparing the 2nd and 3rd best terran to the 4th to 6th best Zerg. Not to mention Bunny and Cure have combined won one championship



What did cure accomplished before the terran buff? Magically he won a GSL right after the patch. And went back to being irreverent straight after that championship.

Bunny lol. He was a pure gatekeeper similar to solar. Now all a sudden he is one of the best in the world?

Terrans fans always make me chuckle



Things do not stay frozen People practice and improve... I find such a silly argument what you are saying...
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12915 Posts
November 20 2022 20:47 GMT
#316
On November 21 2022 05:44 TossHeroes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 05:34 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 21 2022 05:27 TossHeroes wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:08 Lokol18 wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:07 tigera6 wrote:
A non-Zerg winning DH Global offline tournament? Oh now they gonna have another excuse to nerf the map pool into IEM,


Oh absolutely. Heck I'm expecting half of reddit to start saying that zerg needs a buff


Of course Zergs needs a buff. After years of terrans buffs it’s about time

When players such as cure and bunny are winning championships the race needs a nerf.

When players such as elazer, Lambo, solar, etc are winning championships then we can talk about a Zerg nerf

But most of all my Protoss brothers need a buff

comparing the 2nd and 3rd best terran to the 4th to 6th best Zerg. Not to mention Bunny and Cure have combined won one championship



What did cure accomplished before the terran buff? Magically he won a GSL right after the patch. And went back to being irreverent straight after that championship.

Bunny lol. He was a pure gatekeeper similar to solar. Now all a sudden he is one of the best in the world?

Terrans fans always make me chuckle

Progamers win more when their race has potential? My inner Pikachu is very surprised
WriterMaru
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4418 Posts
November 20 2022 20:49 GMT
#317
On November 21 2022 05:44 TossHeroes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 05:34 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 21 2022 05:27 TossHeroes wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:08 Lokol18 wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:07 tigera6 wrote:
A non-Zerg winning DH Global offline tournament? Oh now they gonna have another excuse to nerf the map pool into IEM,


Oh absolutely. Heck I'm expecting half of reddit to start saying that zerg needs a buff


Of course Zergs needs a buff. After years of terrans buffs it’s about time

When players such as cure and bunny are winning championships the race needs a nerf.

When players such as elazer, Lambo, solar, etc are winning championships then we can talk about a Zerg nerf

But most of all my Protoss brothers need a buff

comparing the 2nd and 3rd best terran to the 4th to 6th best Zerg. Not to mention Bunny and Cure have combined won one championship



What did cure accomplished before the terran buff? Magically he won a GSL right after the patch. And went back to being irreverent straight after that championship.

Bunny lol. He was a pure gatekeeper similar to solar. Now all a sudden he is one of the best in the world?

Terrans fans always make me chuckle


No different than players like soO/Ragnarok/DRG/Solar/Lambo/Elazer making deep runs in premiers the last few years. All of them besides DRG have made finals in a premier event since 2019. You'd expect a lot of Bunny tier players to make the occasional final just like Zergs have if Z wasn't such a dominant force.
TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-20 20:49:54
November 20 2022 20:49 GMT
#318
On November 21 2022 05:46 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 05:44 TossHeroes wrote:
On November 21 2022 05:34 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 21 2022 05:27 TossHeroes wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:08 Lokol18 wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:07 tigera6 wrote:
A non-Zerg winning DH Global offline tournament? Oh now they gonna have another excuse to nerf the map pool into IEM,


Oh absolutely. Heck I'm expecting half of reddit to start saying that zerg needs a buff


Of course Zergs needs a buff. After years of terrans buffs it’s about time

When players such as cure and bunny are winning championships the race needs a nerf.

When players such as elazer, Lambo, solar, etc are winning championships then we can talk about a Zerg nerf

But most of all my Protoss brothers need a buff

comparing the 2nd and 3rd best terran to the 4th to 6th best Zerg. Not to mention Bunny and Cure have combined won one championship



What did cure accomplished before the terran buff? Magically he won a GSL right after the patch. And went back to being irreverent straight after that championship.

Bunny lol. He was a pure gatekeeper similar to solar. Now all a sudden he is one of the best in the world?

Terrans fans always make me chuckle



Things do not stay frozen People practice and improve... I find such a silly argument what you are saying...


Tell that to the terran fan boys that instant Whine and complain online when a terran doesn’t win

Nerf toss nerf Zerg!
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-20 20:49:54
November 20 2022 20:49 GMT
#319
On November 21 2022 05:44 TossHeroes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 05:34 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 21 2022 05:27 TossHeroes wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:08 Lokol18 wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:07 tigera6 wrote:
A non-Zerg winning DH Global offline tournament? Oh now they gonna have another excuse to nerf the map pool into IEM,


Oh absolutely. Heck I'm expecting half of reddit to start saying that zerg needs a buff


Of course Zergs needs a buff. After years of terrans buffs it’s about time

When players such as cure and bunny are winning championships the race needs a nerf.

When players such as elazer, Lambo, solar, etc are winning championships then we can talk about a Zerg nerf

But most of all my Protoss brothers need a buff

comparing the 2nd and 3rd best terran to the 4th to 6th best Zerg. Not to mention Bunny and Cure have combined won one championship



What did cure accomplished before the terran buff? Magically he won a GSL right after the patch. And went back to being irreverent straight after that championship.

Bunny lol. He was a pure gatekeeper similar to solar. Now all a sudden he is one of the best in the world?

Terrans fans always make me chuckle


This is how i can tell you either don't watch the games or if you do you understand little about them. If you think Bunny is the same player he was 2 years ago or even last year then you're clearly not paying attention or unable to accurately gauge skill levels. Probably both.

Bunny has been consistently improving, he got noticeably better when Maru was his teammate on NV, his last 3 GSL performances have been remarkable.

You're either completely ignorant to what is going on in the Korean scene, or you're a troll. I'm convinced it's the latter.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-20 20:53:24
November 20 2022 20:51 GMT
#320
On November 21 2022 05:49 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 05:44 TossHeroes wrote:
On November 21 2022 05:34 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 21 2022 05:27 TossHeroes wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:08 Lokol18 wrote:
On November 21 2022 04:07 tigera6 wrote:
A non-Zerg winning DH Global offline tournament? Oh now they gonna have another excuse to nerf the map pool into IEM,


Oh absolutely. Heck I'm expecting half of reddit to start saying that zerg needs a buff


Of course Zergs needs a buff. After years of terrans buffs it’s about time

When players such as cure and bunny are winning championships the race needs a nerf.

When players such as elazer, Lambo, solar, etc are winning championships then we can talk about a Zerg nerf

But most of all my Protoss brothers need a buff

comparing the 2nd and 3rd best terran to the 4th to 6th best Zerg. Not to mention Bunny and Cure have combined won one championship



What did cure accomplished before the terran buff? Magically he won a GSL right after the patch. And went back to being irreverent straight after that championship.

Bunny lol. He was a pure gatekeeper similar to solar. Now all a sudden he is one of the best in the world?

Terrans fans always make me chuckle


This is how i can tell you either don't watch the games or if you do you understand little about them. If you think Bunny is the same player he was 2 years ago or even last year then you're clearly not paying attention or unable to accurately gauge skill levels. Probably both.

Bunny has been consistently improving, he got noticeably better when Maru was his teammate on NV, his last 3 GSL performances have been remarkable.

You're either completely ignorant to what is going on in the Korean scene, or you're a troll. I'm convinced it's the latter.



You are known as a bias terran fan boy so what you say means pretty much nothing. You constantly try discredit the top 4 Zergs at every chance.

But continue to treat me like a troll like you mention before cause you definitely on mine
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