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On November 21 2022 09:11 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2022 09:06 JJH777 wrote:
Grats to herO though a bit of an easy path. Between all that he accomplished in the kespa era and this resurgence winning here and GSL how much more would he need to win to be a protoss goat candidate? A lot. He's lacking a lot in terms of big championships compared to the biggest Protoss winners in SC2. And while he's on top NOW, he's also lacking greatly in terms of competition from Protoss teammates. The pool of players playing Protoss has never been weaker. So you gotta put those two things together. herO would need to win a lot more as the sole Protoss hope to separate himself and make a clear case that he's the best of all time.
SSL is equivalent to GSL/OSL in terms of player pool/format/prize money and unless I'm forgetting something we don't have any Toss with more than 2 trophies from starleagues right? Modern day GSL is easier but I think there should be some bonus points for winning it while Protoss is probably the weakest race and breaking a 5 year curse. So he's somewhat equal on that front. Then it's just a matter of comparing the other stuff and herO's other trophies are pretty good. 3 IEMs, Kespa Cup, Super tournament, and now dreamhack. A few others are still ahead but I don't think it would take too much to put him over the top unless I'm forgetting a toss who's won 3 starleagues.
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On November 21 2022 09:11 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2022 09:06 JJH777 wrote:
Grats to herO though a bit of an easy path. Between all that he accomplished in the kespa era and this resurgence winning here and GSL how much more would he need to win to be a protoss goat candidate? A lot. He's lacking a lot in terms of big championships compared to the biggest Protoss winners in SC2. And while he's on top NOW, he's also lacking greatly in terms of competition from Protoss teammates. The pool of players playing Protoss has never been weaker. So you gotta put those two things together. herO would need to win a lot more as the sole Protoss hope to separate himself and make a clear case that he's the best of all time.
It cuts both ways. On the other hand, herO looks like the ONLY protoss hope and is miles ahead any other protoss challenger, and it's been this way for about a year now. Sort of 2014 maru vibes where he's the only thing making his race not look complete trash.
Further, him being the only player in SC2 history to actually recapture peak form post-military is also an astonishing feat as well and adds to the intangibles. Byun is probably the second best military returnee and he is far below what hero has achieved (only one asus online championship very early on).
So I agree with you hero is far from being protoss goat, but maybe not tooooo far. I think if he won Katowice he could at least be in the discussion
Edit: add to this he completely saved pvz literally singlehandedly. Now that I think about it - what other player can we credit for single handedly saving a matchup in SC2 history?? Feels like it's almost bisu levels
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The herO we need and deserve
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On November 21 2022 09:10 TaKeTV wrote: I'm so sad for Bunny. Don't get me wrong I really like herO but this tournament would have been a better story with Bunny win in the end (and a better run). Congratulations to him, heartbroken for Bunny. He will probably not be able to repeat this run in the rest of his career :/ I really wished so hard for him - naruto
Make sure Bunny gets an invite for the next HSC!!
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Where can I watch the final? I may be blind, but I can't find the game in the Twitch archives, nor the youtube channel.
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On November 21 2022 17:32 True_Spike wrote:
Where can I watch the final? I may be blind, but I can't find the game in the Twitch archives, nor the youtube channel.
they just put up the Bunny vs Serral series on the twitch channel, I imagine they will get the other two series up soon
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It seems to me like Reynor and Serral are slower to modify their playstyle since Rogue went to army and Dark is about to 
Congrats to hero, well deserved. Going 4:3 after being down 1:3, champion mindset
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I just managed to watch finally the finals! Super cool games. GG herO I am happy there is a strong toss around, but we need more!!!
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Beautiful final. Great win.
GGs! 
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