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- Dual Tournament Format.
- All matches are Bo3.
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Charlie Sheens House51450 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17595 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7168 Posts
On September 27 2021 05:03 Die4Ever wrote: is Rogue gonna win again? lol Yes | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland24165 Posts
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QOGQOG
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Waxangel
United States33128 Posts
We all know how this ends. Rogue wins by tombstone piledriver. | ||
[PkF] Wire
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
Very hyped for this match | ||
Husyelt
United States822 Posts
EDIT: why is Live Events showing its live right now? | ||
angry_maia
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tigera6
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2427 Posts
On September 27 2021 12:13 tigera6 wrote: I just hope the lack of practice partner wont doom Zest in this coming match. Rogue can still practice with Trap, Parting or even Classic or Zoun. Zest can only practice with Solar and maybe DRG but neither are the same caliber of Rogue in term of craziness and unpredictability. Why not practicing with Dark? Rogue, Dark and Zest belonged to same group, DPG. I don't think Zest won't practice with Dark just because they are in same group. In the end, DPG is guaranteed heading to the final either Rogue or Zest end up winning the series. | ||
Niravroh
165 Posts
On September 27 2021 13:51 swarminfestor wrote: Why not practicing with Dark? Rogue, Dark and Zest belonged to same group, DPG. I don't think Zest won't practice with Dark just because they are in same group. In the end, DPG is guaranteed heading to the final either Rogue or Zest end up winning the series. Generally teammates won't help each other practice for other teammates. | ||
NoS-Craig
Australia3090 Posts
Now lets see if I've cursed it or not later on. | ||
Gilgamesh_
29 Posts
On September 27 2021 06:32 Waxangel wrote: Streak vs Career We all know how this ends. Rogue wins by tombstone piledriver. That means that we have about 5 more GSL titles left until the streak breaks at 21? Anyway, would be a pitty if the streak breaks and we have one less interesting thing to center previews around ;-) | ||
Solio
France145 Posts
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Durnuu
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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darklycid
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tigera6
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M2
Bulgaria4098 Posts
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AzAlexZ
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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darklycid
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AzAlexZ
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Durnuu
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darklycid
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
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tigera6
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Elentos
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2427 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4098 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4098 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2427 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12128 Posts
On September 27 2021 19:34 M2 wrote: same number of bases and workers, 1 min later rogue had double the supply | ||
tigera6
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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tigera6
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2427 Posts
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Elentos
55458 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4098 Posts
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tigera6
3206 Posts
On September 27 2021 19:51 M2 wrote: this match up and these games, you cant even tell who is playing better or is a superior player, everything looks so cheese, hiding builds, all ins, sometimes they work, sometimes they dont, but everything finishes right there and we move to the next game Thats the state of PvZ currently, either all-in that win or lose. OR 40mins Skytoss vs Corruptor Broodlord Infestor army. | ||
darklycid
3373 Posts
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RKC
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darklycid
3373 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Zest is in a great position | ||
darklycid
3373 Posts
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darklycid
3373 Posts
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darklycid
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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tigera6
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AzAlexZ
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IndyO
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darklycid
3373 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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darklycid
3373 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17595 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
Atrocious last game by Rogue though lol | ||
darklycid
3373 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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feebas
Finland268 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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Anc13nt
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!!! | ||
swarminfestor
Malaysia2427 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:19 darklycid wrote: Why the hell would you morph you broods there????????????????? Idea was that from that position broods are immune to ground army. Rogue did not consider Zest just killing him. | ||
AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
THAT WAS 2 EXPANSIONS AGO! | ||
Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2208 Posts
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-KG-
Denmark1203 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
Well the finals should be more interesting now than if Rogue woulda won | ||
Elentos
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tigera6
3206 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:19 darklycid wrote: Why the hell would you morph you broods there????????????????? To attack the base, had Rogue made enough spine and unit to defend, those BL could slowly grind Zest base to dead, the problem was that Rogue had too many Corruptors left and had nothing to defende the ground army. | ||
nojok
France15845 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2427 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:21 lolfail9001 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 20:19 darklycid wrote: Why the hell would you morph you broods there????????????????? Idea was that from that position broods are immune to ground army. Rogue did not consider Zest just killing him. I think Rogue should morph some in the base, leaving three or four broodlords at Zest's base. | ||
AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:22 nojok wrote: Why are we ignoring maru's 4 2 win against rogue one week ago? not offline, it was online | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:22 nojok wrote: Why are we ignoring maru's 4 2 win against rogue one week ago? It was online, duh, Rogue's streak was always about offline Bo7s. | ||
swarminfestor
Malaysia2427 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:22 nojok wrote: Why are we ignoring maru's 4 2 win against rogue one week ago? It is offline Bo7 record, not online. | ||
darklycid
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Elentos
55458 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:24 darklycid wrote: Still can't get over how incredibly stupid this loss was by rogue. Makes up for the builds Zest used in the games Rogue won | ||
Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:24 darklycid wrote: Still can't get over how incredibly stupid this loss was by rogue. Give credit to Zest though he spotted his opportunity and he pounced, a few more seconds and all those spines would have finished enough probably to block zest. | ||
darklycid
3373 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:25 Zaros wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 20:24 darklycid wrote: Still can't get over how incredibly stupid this loss was by rogue. Give credit to Zest though he spotted his opportunity and he pounced, a few more seconds and all those spines would have finished enough probably to block zest. Zest did the expected play nothing exceptional imo, Rogue just went full retard. | ||
swarminfestor
Malaysia2427 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:24 darklycid wrote: Still can't get over how incredibly stupid this loss was by rogue. When Rogue turned up very good at one event, he may appear unshaped or vulnerable at the next event. Furthermore, it is pretty bad this happens when he should keep his offline Bo7 record in tact, but he has been stopped by Zest today. | ||
parksonsc
175 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote: Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7 | ||
stilt
France2737 Posts
I hope he wins it before going to military | ||
AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Zest is Best!!!! KingSlayer incoming for one more GSL before he leaves for military | ||
tigera6
3206 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:27 darklycid wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 20:25 Zaros wrote: On September 27 2021 20:24 darklycid wrote: Still can't get over how incredibly stupid this loss was by rogue. Give credit to Zest though he spotted his opportunity and he pounced, a few more seconds and all those spines would have finished enough probably to block zest. Zest did the expected play nothing exceptional imo, Rogue just went full retard. Rogue just mis-read Zest build in that last game, he thought Zest would commit more into Air units, seeing the triple Stargate and Fleet Beacon. Thats why he made 30+ Corruptors to smah all the Skytoss. Unfortuantely Zest already halfway transition back into ground, and Rogue was left with useless 20+ Corruptor and cant make anything else because he was supply blocked. Zest strategy was great, although that is not shown that clear on the face value. | ||
Durnuu
13319 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:30 tigera6 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 20:27 darklycid wrote: On September 27 2021 20:25 Zaros wrote: On September 27 2021 20:24 darklycid wrote: Still can't get over how incredibly stupid this loss was by rogue. Give credit to Zest though he spotted his opportunity and he pounced, a few more seconds and all those spines would have finished enough probably to block zest. Zest did the expected play nothing exceptional imo, Rogue just went full retard. Rogue just mis-read Zest build in that last game, he thought Zest would commit more into Air units, seeing the triple Stargate and Fleet Beacon. Thats why he made 30+ Corruptors to smah all the Skytoss. Unfortuantely Zest already halfwat transition back into ground, and Rogue was left with useless 20+ Corruptor and cant make anything else because he was supply blocked. Zest strategy was great, although that is not shown that clear on the face value. There's misreading the game, and there is killing all the Stargates with your corruptors. | ||
Elentos
55458 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote: Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7 Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt" | ||
Die4Ever
United States17595 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:20 swarminfestor wrote: Is this first Protoss's GSL win after like 3 years? last protoss Code S champ was Stats over soO in 2017 season 1 | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:21 AzAlexZ wrote: First PvP in Code S since Seed vs MC if Trap wins against Cure! THAT WAS 2 EXPANSIONS AGO! It's the last good shot we have at a pvp final, Trap better deliver. | ||
tigera6
3206 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:31 Durnuu wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 20:30 tigera6 wrote: On September 27 2021 20:27 darklycid wrote: On September 27 2021 20:25 Zaros wrote: On September 27 2021 20:24 darklycid wrote: Still can't get over how incredibly stupid this loss was by rogue. Give credit to Zest though he spotted his opportunity and he pounced, a few more seconds and all those spines would have finished enough probably to block zest. Zest did the expected play nothing exceptional imo, Rogue just went full retard. Rogue just mis-read Zest build in that last game, he thought Zest would commit more into Air units, seeing the triple Stargate and Fleet Beacon. Thats why he made 30+ Corruptors to smah all the Skytoss. Unfortuantely Zest already halfwat transition back into ground, and Rogue was left with useless 20+ Corruptor and cant make anything else because he was supply blocked. Zest strategy was great, although that is not shown that clear on the face value. There's misreading the game, and there is killing all the Stargates with your corruptors. What else hes supporsed to do with those Corruptors? There is a reason why people dont over-produce Corruptors. | ||
AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote: On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote: Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7 Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt" love the Scottish specifics | ||
Elentos
55458 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:31 Die4Ever wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 20:20 swarminfestor wrote: Is this first Protoss's GSL win after like 3 years? last protoss Code S champ was Stats over soO in 2017 season 1 This was also the first Code S Bo7 win for a Protoss over a Zerg since 2019 season 1 when Classic beat Dark 4-3. | ||
swarminfestor
Malaysia2427 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:31 Die4Ever wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 20:20 swarminfestor wrote: Is this first Protoss's GSL win after like 3 years? last protoss Code S champ was Stats over soO in 2017 season 1 It has been four years since then. Protoss fans must be happy. I am cheering for Zest to win now instead of Trap. | ||
Nebuchad
Switzerland11952 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:33 swarminfestor wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 20:31 Die4Ever wrote: On September 27 2021 20:20 swarminfestor wrote: Is this first Protoss's GSL win after like 3 years? last protoss Code S champ was Stats over soO in 2017 season 1 It was four years since then. Protoss fans must be happy. I am cheering for Zest to win now instead of Trap. I am happy of course but also it was more Rogue losing this than Zest winning so it doesn't feel super satisfying | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
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tigera6
3206 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:37 Poopi wrote: I had to miss the games from 3 onwards, how was it? As epic as the scoreline suggests? :D will watch the vods ASAP either way, fucking glad Zest did it! First 5 games were bops, on either side. Last 2 games were pretty good mid-game PvZ, but Zest was playing very solid in the end while Rogue made the wrong read a couple times. | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:36 Nebuchad wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 20:33 swarminfestor wrote: On September 27 2021 20:31 Die4Ever wrote: On September 27 2021 20:20 swarminfestor wrote: Is this first Protoss's GSL win after like 3 years? last protoss Code S champ was Stats over soO in 2017 season 1 It was four years since then. Protoss fans must be happy. I am cheering for Zest to win now instead of Trap. I am happy of course but also it was more Rogue losing this than Zest winning so it doesn't feel super satisfying Well, if you look at it this way you should also agree Dream was the one losing the ro4 last time. I am super satisfied, personally! | ||
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Waxangel
United States33128 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote: On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote: Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7 Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt" all of our interesting records are getting actively killed off with time; need to invent more ![]() | ||
neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17595 Posts
On September 27 2021 21:40 Waxangel wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote: On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote: On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote: Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7 Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt" all of our interesting records are getting actively killed off with time; need to invent more ![]() eventually G5L will happen then I guess we can talk about G6L | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On September 27 2021 21:58 Die4Ever wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 21:40 Waxangel wrote: On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote: On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote: On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote: Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7 Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt" all of our interesting records are getting actively killed off with time; need to invent more ![]() eventually G5L will happen then I guess we can talk about G6L Might not if there is no GSL after the ESL deal -> Rogue needs to win 2 out of 3 (even if it continues due to military?), Maru might lose to Trap or Rogue over and over. | ||
Elentos
55458 Posts
On September 27 2021 21:58 Die4Ever wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 21:40 Waxangel wrote: On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote: On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote: On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote: Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7 Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt" all of our interesting records are getting actively killed off with time; need to invent more ![]() eventually G5L will happen then I guess we can talk about G6L But the whole thing with G5L is that 5 can be read as S. We'd have to come up with a new thing for 6 titles. Luckily GSL is sponsored by Hot6. | ||
dysenterymd
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tigera6
3206 Posts
On September 27 2021 22:53 Elentos wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 21:58 Die4Ever wrote: On September 27 2021 21:40 Waxangel wrote: On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote: On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote: On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote: Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7 Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt" all of our interesting records are getting actively killed off with time; need to invent more ![]() eventually G5L will happen then I guess we can talk about G6L But the whole thing with G5L is that 5 can be read as S. We'd have to come up with a new thing for 6 titles. Luckily GSL is sponsored by Hot6. They do have a separate G5L trophy, so it means quite a lot to the GSL and the players. | ||
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BisuDagger
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parksonsc
175 Posts
On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote: On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote: Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7 Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt" I get the point but I think it firstly originated as offline Bo7 finals before someone realized it was also offline Bo7 overall. And given that most legit tournaments end with a Bo7 finals so It's fair to say Rogue never lost a premier finals and it's really a record. | ||
RKC
2847 Posts
On September 27 2021 23:20 parksonsc wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote: On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote: On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote: Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7 Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt" I get the point but I think it firstly originated as offline Bo7 finals before someone realized it was also offline Bo7 overall. And given that most legit tournaments end with a Bo7 finals so It's fair to say Rogue never lost a premier finals and it's really a record. Exactly. Besides, it's always more about the clutch factor of finals, less about the BO7 factor. The record extension of BO7 semi-final was more of a bonus. Not sure if Rogue has lost BO5 semi-final in the past (Super Tourney?). But if he has, I don't see why BO7 becomes a distinguishing factor. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On September 27 2021 23:14 tigera6 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2021 22:53 Elentos wrote: On September 27 2021 21:58 Die4Ever wrote: On September 27 2021 21:40 Waxangel wrote: On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote: On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote: On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote: Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7 Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt" all of our interesting records are getting actively killed off with time; need to invent more ![]() eventually G5L will happen then I guess we can talk about G6L But the whole thing with G5L is that 5 can be read as S. We'd have to come up with a new thing for 6 titles. Luckily GSL is sponsored by Hot6. They do have a separate G5L trophy, so it means quite a lot to the GSL and the players. Plus it's flat so you can make a podium with the 4 GSL trophy and put the G5L trophy on top, save a lot of place on the trophy shelf. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
No. That was his plan all along. Make a ton of Corruptors, kill all air, then make BL and kill the ground cause air takes too long to remake (specially since he killed the stargates) so he knew zests wouldn't go air. He didn't misread the build. He literally dictated what zest would do. The reason he lost is he made BL at the top left of the map instead of basically anywhere else. If he makes them at his third? He wins. At his fourth? He wins. At the middle right? He wins. He literally lost because he foolishly made his BL in literally the worst place possible because he was planning on a quick attack, but didn't consider Zest would attack him slightly sooner and through the right. If zest takes literally 10 seconds more before attacking Zest loses. | ||
[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
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tigera6
3206 Posts
On September 28 2021 00:59 [Phantom] wrote: Can't believe some people here are saying Rogue "misread" Zest in the last game. No. That was his plan all along. Make a ton of Corruptors, kill all air, then make BL and kill the ground cause air takes too long to remake (specially since he killed the stargates) so he knew zests wouldn't go air. He didn't misread the build. He literally dictated what zest would do. The reason he lost is he made BL at the top left of the map instead of basically anywhere else. If he makes them at his third? He wins. At his fourth? He wins. At the middle right? He wins. He literally lost because he foolishly made his BL in literally the worst place possible because he was planning on a quick attack, but didn't consider Zest would attack him slightly sooner and through the right. If zest takes literally 10 seconds more before attacking Zest loses. No, Rogue clearly mis-read the army from Zest. He expected Zest was having a more sky-centric army, and expected the Corruptor to wipe them out, then his ling and Queen could have done the rest of the job. But Zest was growing his ground army a bit, unbeknown to Rogue. Thats why Rogue was making 16 Roach right after that, and START a greater hive to finish the job. If Rogue was planning to get the BL out all along, he should have made the Greater Spire BEFORE the fight start, and could have morphed them right on top of Zest main base after all the Carrier/VR have been destroyed. And he wouldnt have made 16 more Roach to save the supply for more BL. In the end, Rogue ended up with 8BL, which is not scary enough, while all of his Roach/Ravager died to the fight at the 4th base of Zest, forcing Rogue to make bunch of Spine because he did not have supply with 30 of them tied to the Corruptors. You cant tell me that Rogue was planning that all along and the only thing went wrong was the BL morphing elsewhere. | ||
Elentos
55458 Posts
On September 28 2021 01:20 [PkF] Wire wrote: Fuck. That result really makes me depressed. I don't even want to catch up on the series. Starcraft is harsh, I hope Rogue can find in that first offline bo7 loss the motivation he will need to wreck faces at Katowice. Maybe look at it from the bright side in that Zest is in the finals of the last GSL he gets to play before going to the military. And now that Rogue isn't in the finals, there's a 10% chance the games may be watchable. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland24165 Posts
Last game was super tight, both Rogue and Zest had the right plan, formulated quickly in a changing scenario, the timing just worked in Zest’s favour. One of those scenarios I think both players made smart moves with their decision-making processes, but hey one has to lose. It’s impressive, I mean obviously they’re high level pros, but with the observer’s eye it can take many of us a moment, if we even get there to process what the play is here, and these folks can do it with imperfect information and the not small obstacles of having to be the ones to play the game. Zest sniffed a potential kill timing if he threw down multiple robos and just went, Rogue sniffed out that Zest was likely going for this, but made sure to wipe the Stargates to force him 100% into it and counter the counter by delaying the Zest push with a static D wall. Zest just hit slightly too quickly and hard. Cool stuff. I usually dislike PvZ rather a lot but I do enjoy that kind of bluff and counter bluff stuff. | ||
swarminfestor
Malaysia2427 Posts
On September 28 2021 01:20 [PkF] Wire wrote: Fuck. That result really makes me depressed. I don't even want to catch up on the series. Starcraft is harsh, I hope Rogue can find in that first offline bo7 loss the motivation he will need to wreck faces at Katowice. Don't worry, Rogue will comeback for sure. | ||
[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On September 28 2021 01:32 Elentos wrote: Show nested quote + On September 28 2021 01:20 [PkF] Wire wrote: Fuck. That result really makes me depressed. I don't even want to catch up on the series. Starcraft is harsh, I hope Rogue can find in that first offline bo7 loss the motivation he will need to wreck faces at Katowice. Maybe look at it from the bright side in that Zest is in the finals of the last GSL he gets to play before going to the military. And now that Rogue isn't in the finals, there's a 10% chance the games may be watchable. don't get me wrong I'm happy for Zest, the guy deserves it and it's great to probably have a Protoss GSL champion again. But I'm still a Rogue fan, so that one hurts. Bad. | ||
Solio
France145 Posts
On September 27 2021 17:22 Solio wrote: Zest will win Called it ![]() | ||
angry_maia
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
On September 28 2021 01:24 tigera6 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 28 2021 00:59 [Phantom] wrote: Can't believe some people here are saying Rogue "misread" Zest in the last game. No. That was his plan all along. Make a ton of Corruptors, kill all air, then make BL and kill the ground cause air takes too long to remake (specially since he killed the stargates) so he knew zests wouldn't go air. He didn't misread the build. He literally dictated what zest would do. The reason he lost is he made BL at the top left of the map instead of basically anywhere else. If he makes them at his third? He wins. At his fourth? He wins. At the middle right? He wins. He literally lost because he foolishly made his BL in literally the worst place possible because he was planning on a quick attack, but didn't consider Zest would attack him slightly sooner and through the right. If zest takes literally 10 seconds more before attacking Zest loses. No, Rogue clearly mis-read the army from Zest. He expected Zest was having a more sky-centric army, and expected the Corruptor to wipe them out, then his ling and Queen could have done the rest of the job. But Zest was growing his ground army a bit, unbeknown to Rogue. Thats why Rogue was making 16 Roach right after that, and START a greater hive to finish the job. If Rogue was planning to get the BL out all along, he should have made the Greater Spire BEFORE the fight start, and could have morphed them right on top of Zest main base after all the Carrier/VR have been destroyed. And he wouldnt have made 16 more Roach to save the supply for more BL. In the end, Rogue ended up with 8BL, which is not scary enough, while all of his Roach/Ravager died to the fight at the 4th base of Zest, forcing Rogue to make bunch of Spine because he did not have supply with 30 of them tied to the Corruptors. You cant tell me that Rogue was planning that all along and the only thing went wrong was the BL morphing elsewhere. I guess we're reading the situationvery differently. What I see is that he didn't wait util greater spire because he needed upgrades and greater spire takes forever, it would have delayed his push a lot letting Zest build the ultimate skytoss disruptor army he was doing. Roach ravager queen was good, and worked quite well. Like you said he expected the corruptors to wipe everything out, and they did. It wasn't an all in push in any way, he had 4 bases (I think he was building a fifth), and 86 drones, so there was no need to break Zest with just 1 push. He made some roaches after that because BL withouth any support suck. If you are expecting your enemy to continue to go air, you don't go BL because they straight up die. He knew Zest wouldn't be going air anymore. The problem is he thought he would stay at his base. You're right in that he misjudged how much ground army Zest would make, as he had quite a bit more gateways than he expected. But he knew he was going ground. He lost because he wanted to push Zest (that's why he morphed the BL there), and wasn't ready when Zest pushed him faster. I'm 100% sure if he had his BL with him at his base he would have won. | ||
Crocolisk Dundee
868 Posts
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
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tigera6
3206 Posts
On September 28 2021 02:55 angry_maia wrote: Will Zest being going to military before IEM katowice? Unfortunately, yes, according to the history of it. I dont even know if Zest can play in the DH Global Final in Nov. | ||
tigera6
3206 Posts
On September 28 2021 02:59 [Phantom] wrote: Show nested quote + On September 28 2021 01:24 tigera6 wrote: On September 28 2021 00:59 [Phantom] wrote: Can't believe some people here are saying Rogue "misread" Zest in the last game. No. That was his plan all along. Make a ton of Corruptors, kill all air, then make BL and kill the ground cause air takes too long to remake (specially since he killed the stargates) so he knew zests wouldn't go air. He didn't misread the build. He literally dictated what zest would do. The reason he lost is he made BL at the top left of the map instead of basically anywhere else. If he makes them at his third? He wins. At his fourth? He wins. At the middle right? He wins. He literally lost because he foolishly made his BL in literally the worst place possible because he was planning on a quick attack, but didn't consider Zest would attack him slightly sooner and through the right. If zest takes literally 10 seconds more before attacking Zest loses. No, Rogue clearly mis-read the army from Zest. He expected Zest was having a more sky-centric army, and expected the Corruptor to wipe them out, then his ling and Queen could have done the rest of the job. But Zest was growing his ground army a bit, unbeknown to Rogue. Thats why Rogue was making 16 Roach right after that, and START a greater hive to finish the job. If Rogue was planning to get the BL out all along, he should have made the Greater Spire BEFORE the fight start, and could have morphed them right on top of Zest main base after all the Carrier/VR have been destroyed. And he wouldnt have made 16 more Roach to save the supply for more BL. In the end, Rogue ended up with 8BL, which is not scary enough, while all of his Roach/Ravager died to the fight at the 4th base of Zest, forcing Rogue to make bunch of Spine because he did not have supply with 30 of them tied to the Corruptors. You cant tell me that Rogue was planning that all along and the only thing went wrong was the BL morphing elsewhere. I guess we're reading the situationvery differently. What I see is that he didn't wait util greater spire because he needed upgrades and greater spire takes forever, it would have delayed his push a lot letting Zest build the ultimate skytoss disruptor army he was doing. Roach ravager queen was good, and worked quite well. Like you said he expected the corruptors to wipe everything out, and they did. It wasn't an all in push in any way, he had 4 bases (I think he was building a fifth), and 86 drones, so there was no need to break Zest with just 1 push. He made some roaches after that because BL withouth any support suck. If you are expecting your enemy to continue to go air, you don't go BL because they straight up die. He knew Zest wouldn't be going air anymore. The problem is he thought he would stay at his base. You're right in that he misjudged how much ground army Zest would make, as he had quite a bit more gateways than he expected. But he knew he was going ground. He lost because he wanted to push Zest (that's why he morphed the BL there), and wasn't ready when Zest pushed him faster. I'm 100% sure if he had his BL with him at his base he would have won. Yeah, I think we just have different read on the situation. To me, it was more of an all-in from Rogue, especially when he moved all the Queen along as well. After wiping Zest initial air army, Rogue can just go home and keep expanding, it would have been great for him imo. Instead Rogue tried to stay around for too long, losing all the Queens and Lings (he did not make Roach with the original Corruptors push) and then making more effort to kill Zest on-point with more Roach-Ravager, and then the Greater Spire, all the while leaving Zest free to build up his ground army. That look like a failed all-in to me, but yeah, we can agree to dis-agree on this/ | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12128 Posts
On September 28 2021 00:59 [Phantom] wrote: Can't believe some people here are saying Rogue "misread" Zest in the last game. No. That was his plan all along. Make a ton of Corruptors, kill all air, then make BL and kill the ground cause air takes too long to remake (specially since he killed the stargates) so he knew zests wouldn't go air. He didn't misread the build. He literally dictated what zest would do. The reason he lost is he made BL at the top left of the map instead of basically anywhere else. If he makes them at his third? He wins. At his fourth? He wins. At the middle right? He wins. He literally lost because he foolishly made his BL in literally the worst place possible because he was planning on a quick attack, but didn't consider Zest would attack him slightly sooner and through the right. If zest takes literally 10 seconds more before attacking Zest loses. He could have made them behind the main base in the top right corner. That's the worst possible place. you're wellcome. | ||
Gilgamesh_
29 Posts
Game 7 was kind of fun and I think too unorthodox to be judgemental of the decisionmaking on either side. | ||
Gottingen
United States27 Posts
On September 28 2021 02:55 angry_maia wrote: Will Zest being going to military before IEM katowice? Yes | ||
angry_maia
301 Posts
On September 28 2021 05:47 Gottingen wrote: Show nested quote + On September 28 2021 02:55 angry_maia wrote: Will Zest being going to military before IEM katowice? Yes ![]() | ||
Zambrah
United States7168 Posts
Am I dreaming, or is Protoss legitimately close to winning a GSL? Also, Zest leaving the game after being the first person to beat Rogue in an offline Bo7 is the most Mic Drop way to go out of all time. | ||
Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On September 28 2021 07:24 Zambrah wrote: Holy shit, a chance Protoss might win a GSL, this is a hallucination right? Cure is going to stomp Trap and Zest right?? Am I dreaming, or is Protoss legitimately close to winning a GSL? Also, Zest leaving the game after being the first person to beat Rogue in an offline Bo7 is the most Mic Drop way to go out of all time. I want the fairly tale zest ending so bad, he's got to be the favourite of the 3 players left now. To break clear of MC and get that 3rd GSL win would really cement him as the Protoss GOAT, and what a career since royal roading back in 2014 I don't think anyone other than Maru has the longevity and sustained success over such a time period and to think he has been nearly solely defining the meta for Protoss these past 5 years | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
Winning right before leaving would be awesome | ||
StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On September 28 2021 08:34 Poopi wrote: Didn’t he win the first GSL of LotV versus TY as well? Winning right before leaving would be awesome That is one of my favorite GSLs. Definitely my favorite in LotV. TY and Zest looked scary good in that series, especially game 1. | ||
stilt
France2737 Posts
On September 28 2021 10:49 StasisField wrote: Show nested quote + On September 28 2021 08:34 Poopi wrote: Didn’t he win the first GSL of LotV versus TY as well? Winning right before leaving would be awesome That is one of my favorite GSLs. Definitely my favorite in LotV. TY and Zest looked scary good in that series, especially game 1. The adpets at the time were so obnoxious ![]() But zest was super strong for sure | ||
MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Congrats to Zest, he really seemed to up his game recently and deserves to go out with a bang and cement his status as the protoss Sc2 GOAT | ||
buzz_bender
445 Posts
On September 28 2021 18:59 MarianoSC2 wrote: 10s later and he wouldn't have went so easily through the spines. Or if Rogue morphed those broods defensively no chance that attack works. Congrats to Zest, he really seemed to up his game recently and deserves to go out with a bang and cement his status as the protoss Sc2 GOAT Exactly. I think most people didn't realize how close the last game was. A mere 10-15 seconds later, Rogue would have had 10+ spine crawlers which would slow down Zest's army considerably, and allow the Broods to fly back home. But since it didn't finish, Rogue had to try to base trade, but Broods are just too slow. But I also think that Zest had his ground army transition ready from SkyToss. It was great play from him honestly - trade out his Sky army, and immediately transition into ground, knowing that it wouldn't be easy for Rogue to do the same with his huge amount of corruptors. | ||
v1p3r52
New Zealand182 Posts
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