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[GSL 2021] Code S - Semi Finals - Day One

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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-26 20:15:11
September 26 2021 18:39 GMT
#1

GSL Code S


Monday, Sep 27 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

(Wiki)Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 3

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Artosis - Tasteless

Format

  • Group Stage:

  • Dual Tournament Format.
  • All matches are Bo3.
  • Top 2 players of each group advance to the Playoffs

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Semi Finals


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(P)Zest vs (Z)Rogue

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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
September 26 2021 20:03 GMT
#2
is Rogue gonna win again? lol
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7297 Posts
September 26 2021 20:11 GMT
#3
On September 27 2021 05:03 Die4Ever wrote:
is Rogue gonna win again? lol


Yes
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25314 Posts
September 26 2021 21:16 GMT
#4
My heart and balls say Zest, my Liquibets say Rogue.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
September 26 2021 21:23 GMT
#5
I think Zest is the only player left who has much of any chance against Rogue, and he's still the definite underdog.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
September 26 2021 21:32 GMT
#6
Streak vs Career

We all know how this ends. Rogue wins by tombstone piledriver.
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
September 26 2021 22:26 GMT
#7
gogogogo Rogue, make it happen again
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12880 Posts
September 26 2021 22:32 GMT
#8
I just hope it’s not a 4-0
Very hyped for this match
WriterMaru
Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States832 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 03:04:28
September 27 2021 02:45 GMT
#9
where is livestream? Zest is gonna bounce Rogue 4-1.

EDIT: why is Live Events showing its live right now?
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
314 Posts
September 27 2021 03:11 GMT
#10
I really think Zest can do it!
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
September 27 2021 03:13 GMT
#11
I just hope the lack of practice partner wont doom Zest in this coming match. Rogue can still practice with Trap, Parting or even Classic or Zoun. Zest can only practice with Solar and maybe DRG but neither are the same caliber of Rogue in term of craziness and unpredictability.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 04:52:09
September 27 2021 04:51 GMT
#12
On September 27 2021 12:13 tigera6 wrote:
I just hope the lack of practice partner wont doom Zest in this coming match. Rogue can still practice with Trap, Parting or even Classic or Zoun. Zest can only practice with Solar and maybe DRG but neither are the same caliber of Rogue in term of craziness and unpredictability.


Why not practicing with Dark? Rogue, Dark and Zest belonged to same group, DPG. I don't think Zest won't practice with Dark just because they are in same group. In the end, DPG is guaranteed heading to the final either Rogue or Zest end up winning the series.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Niravroh
Profile Joined August 2020
165 Posts
September 27 2021 05:54 GMT
#13
On September 27 2021 13:51 swarminfestor wrote:
Why not practicing with Dark? Rogue, Dark and Zest belonged to same group, DPG. I don't think Zest won't practice with Dark just because they are in same group. In the end, DPG is guaranteed heading to the final either Rogue or Zest end up winning the series.



Generally teammates won't help each other practice for other teammates.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3095 Posts
September 27 2021 05:59 GMT
#14
Predicting Rogue to win 4-2 and to win the GSL as well.

Now lets see if I've cursed it or not later on.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Gilgamesh_
Profile Joined September 2021
36 Posts
September 27 2021 06:58 GMT
#15
On September 27 2021 06:32 Waxangel wrote:
Streak vs Career

We all know how this ends. Rogue wins by tombstone piledriver.


That means that we have about 5 more GSL titles left until the streak breaks at 21?

Anyway, would be a pitty if the streak breaks and we have one less interesting thing to center previews around ;-)
Solio
Profile Joined June 2016
France145 Posts
September 27 2021 08:22 GMT
#16
Zest will win
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
September 27 2021 09:43 GMT
#17
Nautilus AND Oblivion HYPE!
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
September 27 2021 09:44 GMT
#18
"I wish to have a good lategame with him today"

I predict Rogue's gonna do 4 allins in a row now
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
September 27 2021 09:49 GMT
#19
Rogue is sooo dead.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
September 27 2021 09:50 GMT
#20
Zesttttttttttt
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
September 27 2021 09:50 GMT
#21
no 4:0 at least :-)
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 27 2021 09:51 GMT
#22
wp Zest
Faker is the GOAT!
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
September 27 2021 09:51 GMT
#23
The dream is alive!
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
September 27 2021 09:51 GMT
#24
Great start for Zest!
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
September 27 2021 09:58 GMT
#25
Rogues play is pretty horrible right now.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 27 2021 09:58 GMT
#26
Zest's defense vs Queen walks are so 5head it's unbelievable
Faker is the GOAT!
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
September 27 2021 09:59 GMT
#27
Nice hold, although I don't like queen walking on this map seeing as you can easily defend both your natural and 3rd base on only one choke unlike other maps
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
September 27 2021 10:03 GMT
#28
If rogue actually built queens consistently after the attack i think he could have held the counter, his play just ain't there right now.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12880 Posts
September 27 2021 10:03 GMT
#29
Zest is starting this match really well, nice
WriterMaru
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
September 27 2021 10:12 GMT
#30
what could have hurted Zest in that game was the late +2 air weapon upgrade, everything else was near perfect. Having said that, Zest was up 2-0 on Rogue the last time they met in the GSL, before Rogue reverse 3-0 him. So lets hope Zest keep it strong.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
September 27 2021 10:23 GMT
#31
I would have been on board with Zest making 2 immortals for a 2nd all-in but instead of just ramming more adepts into the problem.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 10:23:50
September 27 2021 10:23 GMT
#32
Did Zest just throw the Game 3? I think the adept-all in wont work against Rogue many couple times. Zoun has proved that before.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
September 27 2021 10:23 GMT
#33
do the adept rushes have even 10% win rate lately?
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
September 27 2021 10:23 GMT
#34
Well nice try with adepts but rogue read that well, don’t do that anymore zest
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
September 27 2021 10:25 GMT
#35
My guess about that is that, Zest didnt prepare for that map, and would do something that might have worked if Rogue slipped up. It would bound to happen at some point in this series (Glaive Adept), so at least we get that over with.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
September 27 2021 10:33 GMT
#36
hugh, stop trying to do nice thing Zest, lame voidray into carrier all day pls
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
September 27 2021 10:34 GMT
#37
same number of bases and workers, 1 min later rogue had double the supply
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
September 27 2021 10:34 GMT
#38
Is Rogue going to reverse sweeping Zest?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
September 27 2021 10:38 GMT
#39
On September 27 2021 19:34 M2 wrote:
same number of bases and workers, 1 min later rogue had double the supply

Rogue Roach things.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
September 27 2021 10:39 GMT
#40
The power of the Roach-Ravager composition, as long as they can held the attack, they can just counter with double the army size
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
September 27 2021 10:46 GMT
#41
+1 air before warp gate, now that's a manly build
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
September 27 2021 10:49 GMT
#42
damn it, the last thing Zest should die to is Nydus worm,
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
September 27 2021 10:50 GMT
#43
Zest just did not scout the sneaky Overlord with a tone of phoenixs he had.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
September 27 2021 10:50 GMT
#44
Zest's negligence comes back to bite him as the overlord next to his main base survived the entire game against a +1 air stargate build.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
September 27 2021 10:51 GMT
#45
this match up and these games, you cant even tell who is playing better or is a superior player, everything looks so cheese, hiding builds, all ins, sometimes they work, sometimes they dont, but everything finishes right there and we move to the next game
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
September 27 2021 10:53 GMT
#46
On September 27 2021 19:51 M2 wrote:
this match up and these games, you cant even tell who is playing better or is a superior player, everything looks so cheese, hiding builds, all ins, sometimes they work, sometimes they dont, but everything finishes right there and we move to the next game

Thats the state of PvZ currently, either all-in that win or lose. OR 40mins Skytoss vs Corruptor Broodlord Infestor army.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
September 27 2021 10:54 GMT
#47
Showtime opener into twilight hmm.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 27 2021 10:55 GMT
#48
Plus it's Clown Ziesta and Chaos Rogue
gg no re thx
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
September 27 2021 10:58 GMT
#49
These were the most useless mutas ever.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 27 2021 10:59 GMT
#50
wow 3 mutas picked off right off the bat after taking 0 probes and forcing more blink stalkers.
Zest is in a great position
Faker is the GOAT!
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
September 27 2021 11:02 GMT
#51
Rogue should get some upgrades.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
September 27 2021 11:03 GMT
#52
Rogue. Upgrades. Hello?
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
September 27 2021 11:04 GMT
#53
What a throw.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 27 2021 11:04 GMT
#54
ZEST!!!!!!!
Faker is the GOAT!
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
September 27 2021 11:05 GMT
#55
ZESTTTTT come on one more!
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
September 27 2021 11:05 GMT
#56
ZERO air upgrade Zerg die to +2 Air Attack Skytoss, who would know?
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 27 2021 11:05 GMT
#57
One more Zest!
Faker is the GOAT!
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
September 27 2021 11:06 GMT
#58
Seriously tho, rogue on 80 workers vs a turtling zest, decides to not get +2 melee or air upgrades until way too late
IndyO
Profile Joined June 2012
392 Posts
September 27 2021 11:08 GMT
#59
I hope zest does another build similar to game 1. The last few games haven't convinced me he can beat Rogue late game.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
September 27 2021 11:17 GMT
#60
Rogue actually threww??????????
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
September 27 2021 11:18 GMT
#61
What an insane throw actually
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 27 2021 11:18 GMT
#62
OMG is Zest doing it?
Faker is the GOAT!
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
September 27 2021 11:18 GMT
#63
Holy mother of throws.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
September 27 2021 11:19 GMT
#64
Rogue threw so hard.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
September 27 2021 11:19 GMT
#65
Rogue was trying to be too offensive not building the brood lords at home
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 11:20:28
September 27 2021 11:19 GMT
#66
ZEST! IS! BEST!!!


Atrocious last game by Rogue though lol
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
September 27 2021 11:19 GMT
#67
Why the hell would you morph you broods there?????????????????
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
September 27 2021 11:19 GMT
#68
ZESTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 27 2021 11:20 GMT
#69
Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT
Faker is the GOAT!
feebas
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland268 Posts
September 27 2021 11:20 GMT
#70
nice
paska peli
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 27 2021 11:20 GMT
#71
Yeah, I guess it really was a proper throw.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
September 27 2021 11:20 GMT
#72
great series
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
September 27 2021 11:20 GMT
#73
ZEST DID IT and I BELIEVED!!
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!!!
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
September 27 2021 11:20 GMT
#74
Is this first Protoss's GSL win after like 3 years?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 27 2021 11:21 GMT
#75
On September 27 2021 20:19 darklycid wrote:
Why the hell would you morph you broods there?????????????????

Idea was that from that position broods are immune to ground army.

Rogue did not consider Zest just killing him.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 27 2021 11:21 GMT
#76
First PvP in Code S since Seed vs MC if Trap wins against Cure!
THAT WAS 2 EXPANSIONS AGO!
Faker is the GOAT!
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2215 Posts
September 27 2021 11:21 GMT
#77
wow, zest is best
FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1215 Posts
September 27 2021 11:21 GMT
#78
Wowsers!
~~(,,ºº>
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
September 27 2021 11:21 GMT
#79
Zest still best huh

Well the finals should be more interesting now than if Rogue woulda won
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
September 27 2021 11:21 GMT
#80
You can't have a Zest series without a total clown fiesta
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
September 27 2021 11:21 GMT
#81
On September 27 2021 20:19 darklycid wrote:
Why the hell would you morph you broods there?????????????????

To attack the base, had Rogue made enough spine and unit to defend, those BL could slowly grind Zest base to dead, the problem was that Rogue had too many Corruptors left and had nothing to defende the ground army.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
September 27 2021 11:22 GMT
#82
Why are we ignoring maru's 4 2 win against rogue one week ago?
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
IndyO
Profile Joined June 2012
392 Posts
September 27 2021 11:22 GMT
#83
Rogue proven mortal by Zest Although I don't think either player played exceptionally well, atleast it was a fun 7 games, especially considering it's PvZ
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
September 27 2021 11:22 GMT
#84
On September 27 2021 20:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 20:19 darklycid wrote:
Why the hell would you morph you broods there?????????????????

Idea was that from that position broods are immune to ground army.

Rogue did not consider Zest just killing him.


I think Rogue should morph some in the base, leaving three or four broodlords at Zest's base.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 27 2021 11:22 GMT
#85
On September 27 2021 20:22 nojok wrote:
Why are we ignoring maru's 4 2 win against rogue one week ago?

not offline, it was online
Faker is the GOAT!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 27 2021 11:22 GMT
#86
On September 27 2021 20:22 nojok wrote:
Why are we ignoring maru's 4 2 win against rogue one week ago?

It was online, duh, Rogue's streak was always about offline Bo7s.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
September 27 2021 11:22 GMT
#87
On September 27 2021 20:22 nojok wrote:
Why are we ignoring maru's 4 2 win against rogue one week ago?


It is offline Bo7 record, not online.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
September 27 2021 11:24 GMT
#88
Still can't get over how incredibly stupid this loss was by rogue.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
September 27 2021 11:25 GMT
#89
On September 27 2021 20:24 darklycid wrote:
Still can't get over how incredibly stupid this loss was by rogue.

Makes up for the builds Zest used in the games Rogue won
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
September 27 2021 11:25 GMT
#90
On September 27 2021 20:24 darklycid wrote:
Still can't get over how incredibly stupid this loss was by rogue.


Give credit to Zest though he spotted his opportunity and he pounced, a few more seconds and all those spines would have finished enough probably to block zest.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
September 27 2021 11:27 GMT
#91
On September 27 2021 20:25 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 20:24 darklycid wrote:
Still can't get over how incredibly stupid this loss was by rogue.


Give credit to Zest though he spotted his opportunity and he pounced, a few more seconds and all those spines would have finished enough probably to block zest.

Zest did the expected play nothing exceptional imo, Rogue just went full retard.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 11:29:03
September 27 2021 11:28 GMT
#92
On September 27 2021 20:24 darklycid wrote:
Still can't get over how incredibly stupid this loss was by rogue.


When Rogue turned up very good at one event, he may appear unshaped or vulnerable at the next event. Furthermore, it is pretty bad this happens when he should keep his offline Bo7 record in tact, but he has been stopped by Zest today.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
parksonsc
Profile Joined May 2019
175 Posts
September 27 2021 11:29 GMT
#93
On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote:
Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT


He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
September 27 2021 11:29 GMT
#94
GG Zest !!!
I hope he wins it before going to military
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 11:30:59
September 27 2021 11:30 GMT
#95
I never doubted the guy!!!!!!
Zest is Best!!!! KingSlayer incoming for one more GSL before he leaves for military
Faker is the GOAT!
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 11:31:26
September 27 2021 11:30 GMT
#96
On September 27 2021 20:27 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 20:25 Zaros wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:24 darklycid wrote:
Still can't get over how incredibly stupid this loss was by rogue.


Give credit to Zest though he spotted his opportunity and he pounced, a few more seconds and all those spines would have finished enough probably to block zest.

Zest did the expected play nothing exceptional imo, Rogue just went full retard.

Rogue just mis-read Zest build in that last game, he thought Zest would commit more into Air units, seeing the triple Stargate and Fleet Beacon. Thats why he made 30+ Corruptors to smah all the Skytoss. Unfortuantely Zest already halfway transition back into ground, and Rogue was left with useless 20+ Corruptor and cant make anything else because he was supply blocked.
Zest strategy was great, although that is not shown that clear on the face value.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
September 27 2021 11:31 GMT
#97
On September 27 2021 20:30 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 20:27 darklycid wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:25 Zaros wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:24 darklycid wrote:
Still can't get over how incredibly stupid this loss was by rogue.


Give credit to Zest though he spotted his opportunity and he pounced, a few more seconds and all those spines would have finished enough probably to block zest.

Zest did the expected play nothing exceptional imo, Rogue just went full retard.

Rogue just mis-read Zest build in that last game, he thought Zest would commit more into Air units, seeing the triple Stargate and Fleet Beacon. Thats why he made 30+ Corruptors to smah all the Skytoss. Unfortuantely Zest already halfwat transition back into ground, and Rogue was left with useless 20+ Corruptor and cant make anything else because he was supply blocked.
Zest strategy was great, although that is not shown that clear on the face value.

There's misreading the game, and there is killing all the Stargates with your corruptors.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
September 27 2021 11:31 GMT
#98
On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote:
Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT


He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7

Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt"
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
September 27 2021 11:31 GMT
#99
On September 27 2021 20:20 swarminfestor wrote:
Is this first Protoss's GSL win after like 3 years?

last protoss Code S champ was Stats over soO in 2017 season 1
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
September 27 2021 11:31 GMT
#100
On September 27 2021 20:21 AzAlexZ wrote:
First PvP in Code S since Seed vs MC if Trap wins against Cure!
THAT WAS 2 EXPANSIONS AGO!


It's the last good shot we have at a pvp final, Trap better deliver.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
September 27 2021 11:32 GMT
#101
On September 27 2021 20:31 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 20:30 tigera6 wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:27 darklycid wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:25 Zaros wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:24 darklycid wrote:
Still can't get over how incredibly stupid this loss was by rogue.


Give credit to Zest though he spotted his opportunity and he pounced, a few more seconds and all those spines would have finished enough probably to block zest.

Zest did the expected play nothing exceptional imo, Rogue just went full retard.

Rogue just mis-read Zest build in that last game, he thought Zest would commit more into Air units, seeing the triple Stargate and Fleet Beacon. Thats why he made 30+ Corruptors to smah all the Skytoss. Unfortuantely Zest already halfwat transition back into ground, and Rogue was left with useless 20+ Corruptor and cant make anything else because he was supply blocked.
Zest strategy was great, although that is not shown that clear on the face value.

There's misreading the game, and there is killing all the Stargates with your corruptors.

What else hes supporsed to do with those Corruptors? There is a reason why people dont over-produce Corruptors.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 11:33:37
September 27 2021 11:32 GMT
#102
On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote:
Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT


He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7

Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt"

love the Scottish specifics
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
September 27 2021 11:33 GMT
#103
On September 27 2021 20:31 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 20:20 swarminfestor wrote:
Is this first Protoss's GSL win after like 3 years?

last protoss Code S champ was Stats over soO in 2017 season 1

This was also the first Code S Bo7 win for a Protoss over a Zerg since 2019 season 1 when Classic beat Dark 4-3.
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 11:36:55
September 27 2021 11:33 GMT
#104
On September 27 2021 20:31 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 20:20 swarminfestor wrote:
Is this first Protoss's GSL win after like 3 years?

last protoss Code S champ was Stats over soO in 2017 season 1


It has been four years since then. Protoss fans must be happy. I am cheering for Zest to win now instead of Trap.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12172 Posts
September 27 2021 11:36 GMT
#105
On September 27 2021 20:33 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 20:31 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:20 swarminfestor wrote:
Is this first Protoss's GSL win after like 3 years?

last protoss Code S champ was Stats over soO in 2017 season 1


It was four years since then. Protoss fans must be happy. I am cheering for Zest to win now instead of Trap.


I am happy of course but also it was more Rogue losing this than Zest winning so it doesn't feel super satisfying
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12880 Posts
September 27 2021 11:37 GMT
#106
I had to miss the games from 3 onwards, how was it? As epic as the scoreline suggests? :D will watch the vods ASAP either way, fucking glad Zest did it!
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
September 27 2021 11:46 GMT
#107
On September 27 2021 20:37 Poopi wrote:
I had to miss the games from 3 onwards, how was it? As epic as the scoreline suggests? :D will watch the vods ASAP either way, fucking glad Zest did it!

First 5 games were bops, on either side. Last 2 games were pretty good mid-game PvZ, but Zest was playing very solid in the end while Rogue made the wrong read a couple times.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 12:37:22
September 27 2021 12:36 GMT
#108
On September 27 2021 20:36 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 20:33 swarminfestor wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:31 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:20 swarminfestor wrote:
Is this first Protoss's GSL win after like 3 years?

last protoss Code S champ was Stats over soO in 2017 season 1


It was four years since then. Protoss fans must be happy. I am cheering for Zest to win now instead of Trap.


I am happy of course but also it was more Rogue losing this than Zest winning so it doesn't feel super satisfying


Well, if you look at it this way you should also agree Dream was the one losing the ro4 last time.
I am super satisfied, personally!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
September 27 2021 12:40 GMT
#109
On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote:
Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT


He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7

Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt"


all of our interesting records are getting actively killed off with time; need to invent more
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neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
September 27 2021 12:56 GMT
#110
I'm not even a Zest fan and I was rooting for him today. Well done. I'm happy with anyone winning from here on out.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
September 27 2021 12:58 GMT
#111
On September 27 2021 21:40 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote:
Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT


He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7

Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt"


all of our interesting records are getting actively killed off with time; need to invent more

eventually G5L will happen
then I guess we can talk about G6L
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12880 Posts
September 27 2021 13:06 GMT
#112
On September 27 2021 21:58 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 21:40 Waxangel wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote:
Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT


He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7

Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt"


all of our interesting records are getting actively killed off with time; need to invent more

eventually G5L will happen
then I guess we can talk about G6L

Might not if there is no GSL after the ESL deal -> Rogue needs to win 2 out of 3 (even if it continues due to military?), Maru might lose to Trap or Rogue over and over.
WriterMaru
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
September 27 2021 13:53 GMT
#113
On September 27 2021 21:58 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 21:40 Waxangel wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote:
Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT


He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7

Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt"


all of our interesting records are getting actively killed off with time; need to invent more

eventually G5L will happen
then I guess we can talk about G6L

But the whole thing with G5L is that 5 can be read as S. We'd have to come up with a new thing for 6 titles.

Luckily GSL is sponsored by Hot6.
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1237 Posts
September 27 2021 14:00 GMT
#114
This is a perfect opportunity for Trap, would love for him to win this season but Zest winning his final season would be epic too. Cure is the least interesting champion, but a new champion would still be cool.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
September 27 2021 14:14 GMT
#115
On September 27 2021 22:53 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 21:58 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 27 2021 21:40 Waxangel wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote:
Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT


He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7

Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt"


all of our interesting records are getting actively killed off with time; need to invent more

eventually G5L will happen
then I guess we can talk about G6L

But the whole thing with G5L is that 5 can be read as S. We'd have to come up with a new thing for 6 titles.

Luckily GSL is sponsored by Hot6.

They do have a separate G5L trophy, so it means quite a lot to the GSL and the players.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19237 Posts
September 27 2021 14:16 GMT
#116
Rogue's recent bo7 loss to Maru kind of took the wind out of Rogue losing a bo7 series. Impressive series from Zest though.
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parksonsc
Profile Joined May 2019
175 Posts
September 27 2021 14:20 GMT
#117
On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote:
Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT


He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7

Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt"


I get the point but I think it firstly originated as offline Bo7 finals before someone realized it was also offline Bo7 overall. And given that most legit tournaments end with a Bo7 finals so It's fair to say Rogue never lost a premier finals and it's really a record.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 27 2021 14:28 GMT
#118
On September 27 2021 23:20 parksonsc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote:
Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT


He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7

Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt"


I get the point but I think it firstly originated as offline Bo7 finals before someone realized it was also offline Bo7 overall. And given that most legit tournaments end with a Bo7 finals so It's fair to say Rogue never lost a premier finals and it's really a record.


Exactly. Besides, it's always more about the clutch factor of finals, less about the BO7 factor. The record extension of BO7 semi-final was more of a bonus.

Not sure if Rogue has lost BO5 semi-final in the past (Super Tourney?). But if he has, I don't see why BO7 becomes a distinguishing factor.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
September 27 2021 15:50 GMT
#119
On September 27 2021 23:14 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2021 22:53 Elentos wrote:
On September 27 2021 21:58 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 27 2021 21:40 Waxangel wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:31 Elentos wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:29 parksonsc wrote:
On September 27 2021 20:20 AzAlexZ wrote:
Rogue bo7 streak is broken finally! HOLY SHIT


He still has the record of never losing an offline final Bo7

Well we can make the records increasingly more specific sure but that just takes away meaning. The next step is gonna be "offline final bo7 against a non-Korean" followed by "offline final Bo7 on a Wednesday night while wearing a kilt"


all of our interesting records are getting actively killed off with time; need to invent more

eventually G5L will happen
then I guess we can talk about G6L

But the whole thing with G5L is that 5 can be read as S. We'd have to come up with a new thing for 6 titles.

Luckily GSL is sponsored by Hot6.

They do have a separate G5L trophy, so it means quite a lot to the GSL and the players.


Plus it's flat so you can make a podium with the 4 GSL trophy and put the G5L trophy on top, save a lot of place on the trophy shelf.
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[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 15:59:42
September 27 2021 15:59 GMT
#120
Can't believe some people here are saying Rogue "misread" Zest in the last game.

No. That was his plan all along. Make a ton of Corruptors, kill all air, then make BL and kill the ground cause air takes too long to remake (specially since he killed the stargates) so he knew zests wouldn't go air.

He didn't misread the build. He literally dictated what zest would do.

The reason he lost is he made BL at the top left of the map instead of basically anywhere else. If he makes them at his third? He wins. At his fourth? He wins. At the middle right? He wins.

He literally lost because he foolishly made his BL in literally the worst place possible because he was planning on a quick attack, but didn't consider Zest would attack him slightly sooner and through the right. If zest takes literally 10 seconds more before attacking Zest loses.
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
September 27 2021 16:20 GMT
#121
Fuck. That result really makes me depressed. I don't even want to catch up on the series. Starcraft is harsh, I hope Rogue can find in that first offline bo7 loss the motivation he will need to wreck faces at Katowice.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
September 27 2021 16:24 GMT
#122
On September 28 2021 00:59 [Phantom] wrote:
Can't believe some people here are saying Rogue "misread" Zest in the last game.

No. That was his plan all along. Make a ton of Corruptors, kill all air, then make BL and kill the ground cause air takes too long to remake (specially since he killed the stargates) so he knew zests wouldn't go air.

He didn't misread the build. He literally dictated what zest would do.

The reason he lost is he made BL at the top left of the map instead of basically anywhere else. If he makes them at his third? He wins. At his fourth? He wins. At the middle right? He wins.

He literally lost because he foolishly made his BL in literally the worst place possible because he was planning on a quick attack, but didn't consider Zest would attack him slightly sooner and through the right. If zest takes literally 10 seconds more before attacking Zest loses.

No, Rogue clearly mis-read the army from Zest. He expected Zest was having a more sky-centric army, and expected the Corruptor to wipe them out, then his ling and Queen could have done the rest of the job. But Zest was growing his ground army a bit, unbeknown to Rogue. Thats why Rogue was making 16 Roach right after that, and START a greater hive to finish the job.
If Rogue was planning to get the BL out all along, he should have made the Greater Spire BEFORE the fight start, and could have morphed them right on top of Zest main base after all the Carrier/VR have been destroyed. And he wouldnt have made 16 more Roach to save the supply for more BL.
In the end, Rogue ended up with 8BL, which is not scary enough, while all of his Roach/Ravager died to the fight at the 4th base of Zest, forcing Rogue to make bunch of Spine because he did not have supply with 30 of them tied to the Corruptors. You cant tell me that Rogue was planning that all along and the only thing went wrong was the BL morphing elsewhere.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
September 27 2021 16:32 GMT
#123
On September 28 2021 01:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Fuck. That result really makes me depressed. I don't even want to catch up on the series. Starcraft is harsh, I hope Rogue can find in that first offline bo7 loss the motivation he will need to wreck faces at Katowice.

Maybe look at it from the bright side in that Zest is in the finals of the last GSL he gets to play before going to the military. And now that Rogue isn't in the finals, there's a 10% chance the games may be watchable.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25314 Posts
September 27 2021 16:44 GMT
#124
That was fun, in a kind of intriguing way! Not just because a Protoss won for once in one of these high stakes PvZs.

Last game was super tight, both Rogue and Zest had the right plan, formulated quickly in a changing scenario, the timing just worked in Zest’s favour.

One of those scenarios I think both players made smart moves with their decision-making processes, but hey one has to lose.

It’s impressive, I mean obviously they’re high level pros, but with the observer’s eye it can take many of us a moment, if we even get there to process what the play is here, and these folks can do it with imperfect information and the not small obstacles of having to be the ones to play the game.

Zest sniffed a potential kill timing if he threw down multiple robos and just went, Rogue sniffed out that Zest was likely going for this, but made sure to wipe the Stargates to force him 100% into it and counter the counter by delaying the Zest push with a static D wall. Zest just hit slightly too quickly and hard.

Cool stuff. I usually dislike PvZ rather a lot but I do enjoy that kind of bluff and counter bluff stuff.

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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
September 27 2021 16:48 GMT
#125
On September 28 2021 01:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Fuck. That result really makes me depressed. I don't even want to catch up on the series. Starcraft is harsh, I hope Rogue can find in that first offline bo7 loss the motivation he will need to wreck faces at Katowice.


Don't worry, Rogue will comeback for sure.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
September 27 2021 16:55 GMT
#126
On September 28 2021 01:32 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2021 01:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Fuck. That result really makes me depressed. I don't even want to catch up on the series. Starcraft is harsh, I hope Rogue can find in that first offline bo7 loss the motivation he will need to wreck faces at Katowice.

Maybe look at it from the bright side in that Zest is in the finals of the last GSL he gets to play before going to the military. And now that Rogue isn't in the finals, there's a 10% chance the games may be watchable.

don't get me wrong I'm happy for Zest, the guy deserves it and it's great to probably have a Protoss GSL champion again. But I'm still a Rogue fan, so that one hurts. Bad.
Solio
Profile Joined June 2016
France145 Posts
September 27 2021 17:16 GMT
#127
On September 27 2021 17:22 Solio wrote:
Zest will win


Called it [image loading]

angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
314 Posts
September 27 2021 17:55 GMT
#128
Will Zest being going to military before IEM katowice?
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
September 27 2021 17:59 GMT
#129
On September 28 2021 01:24 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2021 00:59 [Phantom] wrote:
Can't believe some people here are saying Rogue "misread" Zest in the last game.

No. That was his plan all along. Make a ton of Corruptors, kill all air, then make BL and kill the ground cause air takes too long to remake (specially since he killed the stargates) so he knew zests wouldn't go air.

He didn't misread the build. He literally dictated what zest would do.

The reason he lost is he made BL at the top left of the map instead of basically anywhere else. If he makes them at his third? He wins. At his fourth? He wins. At the middle right? He wins.

He literally lost because he foolishly made his BL in literally the worst place possible because he was planning on a quick attack, but didn't consider Zest would attack him slightly sooner and through the right. If zest takes literally 10 seconds more before attacking Zest loses.

No, Rogue clearly mis-read the army from Zest. He expected Zest was having a more sky-centric army, and expected the Corruptor to wipe them out, then his ling and Queen could have done the rest of the job. But Zest was growing his ground army a bit, unbeknown to Rogue. Thats why Rogue was making 16 Roach right after that, and START a greater hive to finish the job.
If Rogue was planning to get the BL out all along, he should have made the Greater Spire BEFORE the fight start, and could have morphed them right on top of Zest main base after all the Carrier/VR have been destroyed. And he wouldnt have made 16 more Roach to save the supply for more BL.
In the end, Rogue ended up with 8BL, which is not scary enough, while all of his Roach/Ravager died to the fight at the 4th base of Zest, forcing Rogue to make bunch of Spine because he did not have supply with 30 of them tied to the Corruptors. You cant tell me that Rogue was planning that all along and the only thing went wrong was the BL morphing elsewhere.


I guess we're reading the situationvery differently. What I see is that he didn't wait util greater spire because he needed upgrades and greater spire takes forever, it would have delayed his push a lot letting Zest build the ultimate skytoss disruptor army he was doing. Roach ravager queen was good, and worked quite well. Like you said he expected the corruptors to wipe everything out, and they did. It wasn't an all in push in any way, he had 4 bases (I think he was building a fifth), and 86 drones, so there was no need to break Zest with just 1 push. He made some roaches after that because BL withouth any support suck.

If you are expecting your enemy to continue to go air, you don't go BL because they straight up die. He knew Zest wouldn't be going air anymore. The problem is he thought he would stay at his base. You're right in that he misjudged how much ground army Zest would make, as he had quite a bit more gateways than he expected. But he knew he was going ground. He lost because he wanted to push Zest (that's why he morphed the BL there), and wasn't ready when Zest pushed him faster.

I'm 100% sure if he had his BL with him at his base he would have won.
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Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
September 27 2021 18:10 GMT
#130
Zest, Trap or Cure - any of these as the new GSL champion would be an interesting storyline. Zest: Wins his last GSL before military service. Trap: Finally manages to win a GSL after three defeats in the finals. Cure: First premier tournament win of his career.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
September 27 2021 18:27 GMT
#131
I'm so excited to see Zest get a shot at the championship. I'm super happy to see Zest still using Stasis Traps more than any other player I've seen, since those were what originally made me a fan of him, and made this more exciting than most PvZs. And this means no crushing Rogue vs Trap grand finals, which is fantastic news. I'm really looking forward to the end of this tournament.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
September 27 2021 18:33 GMT
#132
On September 28 2021 02:55 angry_maia wrote:
Will Zest being going to military before IEM katowice?

Unfortunately, yes, according to the history of it. I dont even know if Zest can play in the DH Global Final in Nov.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 18:44:24
September 27 2021 18:44 GMT
#133
On September 28 2021 02:59 [Phantom] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2021 01:24 tigera6 wrote:
On September 28 2021 00:59 [Phantom] wrote:
Can't believe some people here are saying Rogue "misread" Zest in the last game.

No. That was his plan all along. Make a ton of Corruptors, kill all air, then make BL and kill the ground cause air takes too long to remake (specially since he killed the stargates) so he knew zests wouldn't go air.

He didn't misread the build. He literally dictated what zest would do.

The reason he lost is he made BL at the top left of the map instead of basically anywhere else. If he makes them at his third? He wins. At his fourth? He wins. At the middle right? He wins.

He literally lost because he foolishly made his BL in literally the worst place possible because he was planning on a quick attack, but didn't consider Zest would attack him slightly sooner and through the right. If zest takes literally 10 seconds more before attacking Zest loses.

No, Rogue clearly mis-read the army from Zest. He expected Zest was having a more sky-centric army, and expected the Corruptor to wipe them out, then his ling and Queen could have done the rest of the job. But Zest was growing his ground army a bit, unbeknown to Rogue. Thats why Rogue was making 16 Roach right after that, and START a greater hive to finish the job.
If Rogue was planning to get the BL out all along, he should have made the Greater Spire BEFORE the fight start, and could have morphed them right on top of Zest main base after all the Carrier/VR have been destroyed. And he wouldnt have made 16 more Roach to save the supply for more BL.
In the end, Rogue ended up with 8BL, which is not scary enough, while all of his Roach/Ravager died to the fight at the 4th base of Zest, forcing Rogue to make bunch of Spine because he did not have supply with 30 of them tied to the Corruptors. You cant tell me that Rogue was planning that all along and the only thing went wrong was the BL morphing elsewhere.


I guess we're reading the situationvery differently. What I see is that he didn't wait util greater spire because he needed upgrades and greater spire takes forever, it would have delayed his push a lot letting Zest build the ultimate skytoss disruptor army he was doing. Roach ravager queen was good, and worked quite well. Like you said he expected the corruptors to wipe everything out, and they did. It wasn't an all in push in any way, he had 4 bases (I think he was building a fifth), and 86 drones, so there was no need to break Zest with just 1 push. He made some roaches after that because BL withouth any support suck.

If you are expecting your enemy to continue to go air, you don't go BL because they straight up die. He knew Zest wouldn't be going air anymore. The problem is he thought he would stay at his base. You're right in that he misjudged how much ground army Zest would make, as he had quite a bit more gateways than he expected. But he knew he was going ground. He lost because he wanted to push Zest (that's why he morphed the BL there), and wasn't ready when Zest pushed him faster.

I'm 100% sure if he had his BL with him at his base he would have won.

Yeah, I think we just have different read on the situation. To me, it was more of an all-in from Rogue, especially when he moved all the Queen along as well. After wiping Zest initial air army, Rogue can just go home and keep expanding, it would have been great for him imo. Instead Rogue tried to stay around for too long, losing all the Queens and Lings (he did not make Roach with the original Corruptors push) and then making more effort to kill Zest on-point with more Roach-Ravager, and then the Greater Spire, all the while leaving Zest free to build up his ground army. That look like a failed all-in to me, but yeah, we can agree to dis-agree on this/

deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
September 27 2021 19:19 GMT
#134
On September 28 2021 00:59 [Phantom] wrote:
Can't believe some people here are saying Rogue "misread" Zest in the last game.

No. That was his plan all along. Make a ton of Corruptors, kill all air, then make BL and kill the ground cause air takes too long to remake (specially since he killed the stargates) so he knew zests wouldn't go air.

He didn't misread the build. He literally dictated what zest would do.

The reason he lost is he made BL at the top left of the map instead of basically anywhere else. If he makes them at his third? He wins. At his fourth? He wins. At the middle right? He wins.

He literally lost because he foolishly made his BL in literally the worst place possible because he was planning on a quick attack, but didn't consider Zest would attack him slightly sooner and through the right. If zest takes literally 10 seconds more before attacking Zest loses.

He could have made them behind the main base in the top right corner. That's the worst possible place. you're wellcome.
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Gilgamesh_
Profile Joined September 2021
36 Posts
September 27 2021 20:25 GMT
#135
In my eyes game 6 was more painful to watch than game 7. Those undergraded lings failing to kill much of anything gave me flashbacks of Reynor vs Cure at season finals.
Game 7 was kind of fun and I think too unorthodox to be judgemental of the decisionmaking on either side.
Gottingen
Profile Joined February 2018
United States27 Posts
September 27 2021 20:47 GMT
#136
On September 28 2021 02:55 angry_maia wrote:
Will Zest being going to military before IEM katowice?

Yes
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
314 Posts
September 27 2021 21:32 GMT
#137
On September 28 2021 05:47 Gottingen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2021 02:55 angry_maia wrote:
Will Zest being going to military before IEM katowice?

Yes


Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7297 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 22:24:54
September 27 2021 22:24 GMT
#138
Holy shit, a chance Protoss might win a GSL, this is a hallucination right? Cure is going to stomp Trap and Zest right??

Am I dreaming, or is Protoss legitimately close to winning a GSL?

Also, Zest leaving the game after being the first person to beat Rogue in an offline Bo7 is the most Mic Drop way to go out of all time.
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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
September 27 2021 22:35 GMT
#139
On September 28 2021 07:24 Zambrah wrote:
Holy shit, a chance Protoss might win a GSL, this is a hallucination right? Cure is going to stomp Trap and Zest right??

Am I dreaming, or is Protoss legitimately close to winning a GSL?

Also, Zest leaving the game after being the first person to beat Rogue in an offline Bo7 is the most Mic Drop way to go out of all time.


I want the fairly tale zest ending so bad, he's got to be the favourite of the 3 players left now.

To break clear of MC and get that 3rd GSL win would really cement him as the Protoss GOAT, and what a career since royal roading back in 2014 I don't think anyone other than Maru has the longevity and sustained success over such a time period and to think he has been nearly solely defining the meta for Protoss these past 5 years
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12880 Posts
September 27 2021 23:34 GMT
#140
Didn’t he win the first GSL of LotV versus TY as well?
Winning right before leaving would be awesome
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StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
September 28 2021 01:49 GMT
#141
On September 28 2021 08:34 Poopi wrote:
Didn’t he win the first GSL of LotV versus TY as well?
Winning right before leaving would be awesome

That is one of my favorite GSLs. Definitely my favorite in LotV. TY and Zest looked scary good in that series, especially game 1.
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
September 28 2021 08:58 GMT
#142
On September 28 2021 10:49 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2021 08:34 Poopi wrote:
Didn’t he win the first GSL of LotV versus TY as well?
Winning right before leaving would be awesome

That is one of my favorite GSLs. Definitely my favorite in LotV. TY and Zest looked scary good in that series, especially game 1.


The adpets at the time were so obnoxious
But zest was super strong for sure
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
September 28 2021 09:59 GMT
#143
This was insane. I was sure Rogue had the last game in the bag but he didn't expect Zests ground transition was in such advanced state already. Well that is Zest for you, always was the master of timing attacks and he timed that one perfectly. 10s later and he wouldn't have went so easily through the spines. Or if Rogue morphed those broods defensively no chance that attack works.

Congrats to Zest, he really seemed to up his game recently and deserves to go out with a bang and cement his status as the protoss Sc2 GOAT
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buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
445 Posts
September 28 2021 10:28 GMT
#144
On September 28 2021 18:59 MarianoSC2 wrote:
10s later and he wouldn't have went so easily through the spines. Or if Rogue morphed those broods defensively no chance that attack works.

Congrats to Zest, he really seemed to up his game recently and deserves to go out with a bang and cement his status as the protoss Sc2 GOAT


Exactly. I think most people didn't realize how close the last game was. A mere 10-15 seconds later, Rogue would have had 10+ spine crawlers which would slow down Zest's army considerably, and allow the Broods to fly back home. But since it didn't finish, Rogue had to try to base trade, but Broods are just too slow.

But I also think that Zest had his ground army transition ready from SkyToss. It was great play from him honestly - trade out his Sky army, and immediately transition into ground, knowing that it wouldn't be easy for Rogue to do the same with his huge amount of corruptors.
v1p3r52
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand182 Posts
September 29 2021 01:30 GMT
#145
the spines coming out a bit to late and the big pile of corrupters doing nothing must of sucked for rouge
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