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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
November 14 2020 16:04 GMT
#681
On November 15 2020 01:03 Elentos wrote:
And then game 5 is just a disappointing game where TIME goes for BC mech and dies to a roach/ravager/corruptor timing

I d be fine with that :D
I want Serral - Neeb
MaxPax
SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines895 Posts
November 14 2020 16:04 GMT
#682
so I'm doing something wrong when I defend those nat hatch block builds.. Now I know how to deal with them thanks to Time.
Don't practice until you can get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
November 14 2020 16:04 GMT
#683
Golden Wall would have been an amazing map for this g5
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Meadowlark
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States349 Posts
November 14 2020 16:05 GMT
#684
Time with the terrancraft beginner 3-1-1. never thought i'd see that in a pro match
''Three bottles of Monster in a day; I'm pumped as fuck." -Stephano
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26762 Posts
November 14 2020 16:06 GMT
#685
On November 15 2020 01:04 sneakyfox wrote:
Golden Wall would have been an amazing map for this g5

Still salty it’s gone
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-14 16:08:47
November 14 2020 16:08 GMT
#686
On November 15 2020 01:04 Xain0n wrote:

Show nested quote +
On November 15 2020 00:26 Charoisaur wrote:

and korean sc2 never looked weaker with like half of the top players from 4 years ago having retired and others being far from their best form for reasons like injuries (Dark) or lack of motivation (sOs).


I can't disagree(sOs hasn't won anything in LoTV, btw) but remember that Serral(here just as the epitome of foreign sc2, don't wanna discuss his greatness or so) emerged against a healthier korean scene and that Clem's and Reynor's skill are those of top tier players who would have had great results even if there were three times as many top korean players.

I don't disagree, Reynor, Serral and Clem are incredible players who would have gotten results in any era of the game.
I just feel like this is not mentioned enough when people hype up how much foreigners have improved.
The brackets would look differently if the korean scene was still at their peak.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
November 14 2020 16:08 GMT
#687
On November 15 2020 00:45 ilax30 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2020 00:43 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 15 2020 00:42 ilax30 wrote:
On November 15 2020 00:39 travis wrote:
On November 15 2020 00:36 Jacenoob wrote:
On November 15 2020 00:34 Penev wrote:
let's start another Serral tilt discussion


Sure! He tilted and gg'ed out of a winnable game. He was behind, but it was not over.


he really did
casters are justifying it but it really wasn't justified. he pretty much just gave up because he thought he was way more behind than he was. they talk about him not having drones but didnt he have more workers?


So Serral had 7 more drones but you have to look at the infrastructure. Serral only had a roach warren, no bane nest, still on hatch tec. He saw Time had combat shields, stim, medivacs and a 3rd CC. So its not like he can drone up massively as he was about about to be dropped by 16 stim+combat marines so he needed to make roaches to defend.

And then Time was even busy getting his 1-1 up, dunno if Serral knew about that. So all in all, the game really was over.

I stand by it, I have seen players come back from worse positions


Yes I have seen players throw insane games as well in all my years of watching. But as a Serral you are not going to stay in every game untill you have 5 supply left. The game was 95% over, so Serral just wanted to go to the next game. Barely any pro leaves when the game is 99.9% over.


I remember a WCS game in which Serral came back from a 80 supply deficit against HM, it was nearly unwinnable.
Serral is less clutch this year and evidently more prone to tilting and early gging; while it's bad for him, it may be good for Sc2.
I hope he finds his best shape in time for Katowice, by the way.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28527 Posts
November 14 2020 16:13 GMT
#688
here, have a tank :o
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28527 Posts
November 14 2020 16:15 GMT
#689
TIME is going full TY
I Protoss winner, could it be?
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4418 Posts
November 14 2020 16:15 GMT
#690
What a disappointing final game.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
November 14 2020 16:15 GMT
#691
Not 'dying to roach-ravager-corruptor timing' disappointing, but close.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
November 14 2020 16:15 GMT
#692
On November 15 2020 01:08 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2020 01:04 Xain0n wrote:

On November 15 2020 00:26 Charoisaur wrote:

and korean sc2 never looked weaker with like half of the top players from 4 years ago having retired and others being far from their best form for reasons like injuries (Dark) or lack of motivation (sOs).


I can't disagree(sOs hasn't won anything in LoTV, btw) but remember that Serral(here just as the epitome of foreign sc2, don't wanna discuss his greatness or so) emerged against a healthier korean scene and that Clem's and Reynor's skill are those of top tier players who would have had great results even if there were three times as many top korean players.

I don't disagree, Reynor, Serral and Clem are incredible players who would have gotten results in any era of the game.
I just feel like this is not mentioned enough when people hype up how much foreigners have improved.
The brackets would look differently if the korean scene was still at their peak.


When the Korean pool is aging and depleting, and there are more young foreign blood than Korean blood coming into the scene... eventually foreigners will catch up.
gg no re thx
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
November 14 2020 16:15 GMT
#693
why has TIME not made a single thor before mutas come out?
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17732 Posts
November 14 2020 16:16 GMT
#694
what server is this game 5 being played on?
"Expert" mods4ever.com
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
November 14 2020 16:18 GMT
#695
On November 15 2020 01:16 Die4Ever wrote:
what server is this game 5 being played on?

Same as 1 and 3, i guess.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4081 Posts
November 14 2020 16:18 GMT
#696
On November 15 2020 01:08 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2020 00:45 ilax30 wrote:
On November 15 2020 00:43 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 15 2020 00:42 ilax30 wrote:
On November 15 2020 00:39 travis wrote:
On November 15 2020 00:36 Jacenoob wrote:
On November 15 2020 00:34 Penev wrote:
let's start another Serral tilt discussion


Sure! He tilted and gg'ed out of a winnable game. He was behind, but it was not over.


he really did
casters are justifying it but it really wasn't justified. he pretty much just gave up because he thought he was way more behind than he was. they talk about him not having drones but didnt he have more workers?


So Serral had 7 more drones but you have to look at the infrastructure. Serral only had a roach warren, no bane nest, still on hatch tec. He saw Time had combat shields, stim, medivacs and a 3rd CC. So its not like he can drone up massively as he was about about to be dropped by 16 stim+combat marines so he needed to make roaches to defend.

And then Time was even busy getting his 1-1 up, dunno if Serral knew about that. So all in all, the game really was over.

I stand by it, I have seen players come back from worse positions


Yes I have seen players throw insane games as well in all my years of watching. But as a Serral you are not going to stay in every game untill you have 5 supply left. The game was 95% over, so Serral just wanted to go to the next game. Barely any pro leaves when the game is 99.9% over.


I remember a WCS game in which Serral came back from a 80 supply deficit against HM, it was nearly unwinnable.
Serral is less clutch this year and evidently more prone to tilting and early gging; while it's bad for him, it may be good for Sc2.
I hope he finds his best shape in time for Katowice, by the way.


Nah, I feel like Reynor really created a dent in Serral's mental strength this year and that shows across the board with a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes, weird build orders, tilts and miscalculations. I do believe, that getting back to offline environment will make things look different, one way or another.
Drone is a way of living
parksonsc
Profile Joined May 2019
175 Posts
November 14 2020 16:19 GMT
#697
Does Time always disappoint in the deciding game?
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
November 14 2020 16:20 GMT
#698
On November 15 2020 01:19 parksonsc wrote:
Does Time always disappoint in the deciding game?


I mean did he dissapoint? Serral just played standard, finally ditched the roaches. It went to a macroish game and Serral dominated like you would expect. Maybe Time could of tried to trick him I guess
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 14 2020 16:20 GMT
#699
On November 15 2020 01:18 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2020 01:08 Xain0n wrote:
On November 15 2020 00:45 ilax30 wrote:
On November 15 2020 00:43 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 15 2020 00:42 ilax30 wrote:
On November 15 2020 00:39 travis wrote:
On November 15 2020 00:36 Jacenoob wrote:
On November 15 2020 00:34 Penev wrote:
let's start another Serral tilt discussion


Sure! He tilted and gg'ed out of a winnable game. He was behind, but it was not over.


he really did
casters are justifying it but it really wasn't justified. he pretty much just gave up because he thought he was way more behind than he was. they talk about him not having drones but didnt he have more workers?


So Serral had 7 more drones but you have to look at the infrastructure. Serral only had a roach warren, no bane nest, still on hatch tec. He saw Time had combat shields, stim, medivacs and a 3rd CC. So its not like he can drone up massively as he was about about to be dropped by 16 stim+combat marines so he needed to make roaches to defend.

And then Time was even busy getting his 1-1 up, dunno if Serral knew about that. So all in all, the game really was over.

I stand by it, I have seen players come back from worse positions


Yes I have seen players throw insane games as well in all my years of watching. But as a Serral you are not going to stay in every game untill you have 5 supply left. The game was 95% over, so Serral just wanted to go to the next game. Barely any pro leaves when the game is 99.9% over.


I remember a WCS game in which Serral came back from a 80 supply deficit against HM, it was nearly unwinnable.
Serral is less clutch this year and evidently more prone to tilting and early gging; while it's bad for him, it may be good for Sc2.
I hope he finds his best shape in time for Katowice, by the way.


Nah, I feel like Reynor really created a dent in Serral's mental strength this year and that shows across the board with a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes, weird build orders, tilts and miscalculations. I do believe, that getting back to offline environment will make things look different, one way or another.



it might be this, but it might also just be stagnation. when someone hits the top, it can be tough to stay motivated to continue to find edges.. particularly in a mental game. it's easier to climb than to stay on top I guess, because those above you push you forward. just my take on it.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
November 14 2020 16:20 GMT
#700
Next TIME Li Peinan, next TIME you'll get him
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