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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28527 Posts
November 11 2020 15:50 GMT
#201
laglings are tough to deal with
I Protoss winner, could it be?
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
November 11 2020 15:54 GMT
#202
More like if you give zerg NR15, he has a good shot at winning.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
slant
Profile Joined February 2020
Romania95 Posts
November 11 2020 15:54 GMT
#203
On November 12 2020 00:50 Penev wrote:
laglings are tough to deal with


They are playing all games on US West.
Fortuna.424
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany174 Posts
November 11 2020 15:54 GMT
#204
Ping tournament mvp
I like Zerglings... and Banelings... and also Roaches... well, i like ZERG
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
November 11 2020 15:55 GMT
#205
Pretty easy win for Reynor as expected at this stage with his ZvT. Avoiding the terran army, multiple runby's, killing terran eco forcing them to be all in. Then re-expand elsewhere after losing bases to finish the terran army off when they have to commit on creep to try and kill the zerg. Textbook stuff
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
November 11 2020 15:56 GMT
#206
Man, it's so unfortunate Inno was injured, tired, and facing extreme lag. Otherwise Reynor's wins might be considered legitimate. Did I do that right?
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
November 11 2020 15:57 GMT
#207
No realy big mistakes by Inno, bust insane good tournamnet planning and execution by Reynor, well deserved first place
MaxPax
encoded_evil
Profile Joined May 2020
29 Posts
November 11 2020 15:57 GMT
#208
inno learned a lot here, dont get fooled by his loss guys
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
November 11 2020 15:57 GMT
#209
A bit messy but very fun nonetheless
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
November 11 2020 15:58 GMT
#210
On November 12 2020 00:56 mierin wrote:
Man, it's so unfortunate Inno was injured, tired, and facing extreme lag. Otherwise Reynor's wins might be considered legitimate. Did I do that right?


He also doesn t care about earning money and actually admitted, he s on an off week. That 100% has to mean, he didn t play a single game for 7 days straight and also was drunk while playing.
MaxPax
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28527 Posts
November 11 2020 15:59 GMT
#211
On November 12 2020 00:54 slant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2020 00:50 Penev wrote:
laglings are tough to deal with


They are playing all games on US West.

Really? Do you know why they changed from alternating west and central?

You'll still have laglings on west btw
I Protoss winner, could it be?
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-11 16:09:31
November 11 2020 16:07 GMT
#212
Shoutout to Soul!!
MaxPax
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
November 11 2020 16:09 GMT
#213
EPT ranks don t make any sense on that screen. Time #1 (wich is true for his region) and Special as #3, while he s #1 in his region.
MaxPax
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33596 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-11 16:10:29
November 11 2020 16:09 GMT
#214
Kinda surprised INnoVation's head-to-head vs Reynor is as good as it is, given how much he struggles against Serral :0 (and I'd consider Reynor and Serral's ZvT to be in the same neighborhood).
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-11 16:13:29
November 11 2020 16:13 GMT
#215
3 of Inno's wins over Reynor come from 2018 though and since Reynor has been crushing Inno. That 3-2 Inno win in TSL also shouldnt really have happened. Reynor was 2-0 up crushing him in macro games, and then Inno went for a proxy rax that got scouted yet still won. Then went for a fake proxy and Reynor pulled 10ish drones and lost. And then the last game finally was a macro game which Inno won. The h2h should only get more onesided from here on out
lostusername123
Profile Joined October 2020
47 Posts
November 11 2020 16:14 GMT
#216
On November 12 2020 01:09 Waxangel wrote:
Kinda surprised INnoVation's head-to-head vs Reynor is as good as it is, given how much he struggles against Serral :0 (and I'd consider Reynor and Serral's ZvT to be in the same neighborhood).



Well, Reynor has really just recently started taking down top koreans, most of the matches I assume are old.

Innovation just has played Serral way more since 2018, since he manages to perform well outside and inside Korea.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
November 11 2020 16:15 GMT
#217
On November 12 2020 01:09 Waxangel wrote:
Kinda surprised INnoVation's head-to-head vs Reynor is as good as it is, given how much he struggles against Serral :0 (and I'd consider Reynor and Serral's ZvT to be in the same neighborhood).


Well, Inno was one of Serral's fiercest opponents in 2019, he was ahead for most of the year but after that Serral won all of their series; kind of what happened to soO.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33596 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-11 16:18:55
November 11 2020 16:18 GMT
#218
TBH it's really hard to calibrate expectations these days.

Stuff that I thought was nearly unwinnable suddenly produce coinflip series or stomps (Trap vs Reynor, Cure vs Serral). The lesson, as always—and fans should really keep this in mind more often—is that StarCraft II is more variance prone than we'd like to think.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
November 11 2020 16:26 GMT
#219
On November 12 2020 01:18 Waxangel wrote:
TBH it's really hard to calibrate expectations these days.

Stuff that I thought was nearly unwinnable suddenly produce coinflip series or stomps (Trap vs Reynor, Cure vs Serral). The lesson, as always—and fans should really keep this in mind more often—is that StarCraft II is more variance prone than we'd like to think.


I think we have been spoiled by the extremely dominant performance of some players these last years(Serral's consistency then, Maru in GSL, Rogue in bo7), Sc2 always was a quite volatile game.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 11 2020 16:29 GMT
#220
On November 12 2020 00:37 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2020 00:34 Xain0n wrote:
On November 12 2020 00:29 AzAlexZ wrote:
Why are we making excuses for Maru? There's no need to make any stupid excuses. He was outclassed, end of story. It happens.
This is not the first time we've seen unfamiliar play styles beat historically better players. Snute and Stephano did that in HOTS, Neeb started winning like that in 2016, now he is joined by Serral, Reynor, and now Clem. It's not just Maru, it's many Korean players that have lost to Foreigners
We can all make theories but at the end of the day, Maru decided not to show up against Clem. if you disrespect Clem like that now, he will just beat anyone.
Neeb even talked about it, he prepared for Clem. And look at that, Neeb beat Clem, because he respects Clem.


It's not like koreans are superior by themselves and you need to play unorthodoxically to beat them; not anymore, at least.
Clem is winning by micro, macro and multitasking, Serral dominated by almost never cheesing and straight out outplaying koreans; it just happens that foreigners can be as strong or even stronger than koreans nowadays.

I mean I said historically better (more trophies, better resume etc.) for a reason...
but yes, you are right, that doesn't mean that you should be giving excuses to players, they just don't show up, that's it. There is no need to speculate because then you end up making players sound worse than they are or for lack of a better term, lazy, or that bs thing you guys say known as 'they don't care', that's not helpful at all.

Of course Maru and all the other pros care, that's not for us to decide. Saying this just diminishes their value, and it is not helpful to anyone

Nobody ever said they really don't care, but that it looked like Maru don't care. Care to read what people write or just react? (there's a reason why I don't reply to the other one)
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
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