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[GSL 2020] Code S - Grand Finals
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Or will Artosis and Tasteless not be casting both the GSL match and ASL match? | ||
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On November 01 2020 07:56 TheLordofAwesome wrote: So does ASL actually start 4 hours after Maru vs TY? What happens if we have 7 really long TvTs? Or will Artosis and Tasteless not be casting both the GSL match and ASL match? Does ASL happen in the same studio as GSL? | ||
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not 100% sure but I don't think so? Anyways I really wouldn't want to miss Tastosis's BW commentary on Flash vs Soma. There's no one else who could do as good a job as them for that particular matchup. | ||
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But its Maru, man... | ||
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mierin
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On November 01 2020 07:56 TheLordofAwesome wrote: So does ASL actually start 4 hours after Maru vs TY? What happens if we have 7 really long TvTs? Or will Artosis and Tasteless not be casting both the GSL match and ASL match? That'd be a disaster--at the very least have Andy finish up the interview portion and have Afreeca send them a private helicopter. They really need to be there for Flash vs. Soma. | ||
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if he wins this he officially (in my heart) beats out MVP for GOAT | ||
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Lorch
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Usually GSL takes place in their old studio while ASL happens in the new afreeca "colosseum". Maybe the finals are played in their new studio? | ||
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JAG.war
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On November 01 2020 07:56 TheLordofAwesome wrote: So does ASL actually start 4 hours after Maru vs TY? What happens if we have 7 really long TvTs? Or will Artosis and Tasteless not be casting both the GSL match and ASL match? Since there's no live audience, it's feasible to just delay the broadcast for 30 minutes or however long they need to get Tastosis over there. A big-enough part of their audience will probably be watching the GSL finals anyway. In an ideal world, Rain would be in the first matchup so that for the first time in eSports history we could say "Delayed due to rain." | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
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On November 01 2020 13:53 JAG.war wrote: Since there's no live audience, it's feasible to just delay the broadcast for 30 minutes or however long they need to get Tastosis over there. A big-enough part of their audience will probably be watching the GSL finals anyway. In an ideal world, Rain would be in the first matchup so that for the first time in eSports history we could say "Delayed due to rain." I think the calendar does not take into account the DST switchback to normal time which happens in between GSL and ASL in the United States tonight. So ASL is 5 hours, not 4 hours later. | ||
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Vindicare605
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It's for real. The stakes are for real! LETS FUCKING GO! | ||
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Sif_
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On November 01 2020 13:58 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I think the calendar does not take into account the DST switchback to normal time which happens in between GSL and ASL in the United States tonight. So ASL is 5 hours, not 4 hours later. I think thats already factored into the calendar actually. Its really 4h later | ||
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Monochromatic
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Heart says Maru, head says TY. | ||
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On November 01 2020 14:56 Monochromatic wrote: I'm staying up way too late for this, but I was there when MVP attempted G5L, and I certainly can't miss it for Maru. Heart says Maru, head says TY. My sleep schedule is going down the train to watch this and ASL after. Took a caffeine pill at midnight (gsl is 3am, asl 7am)... Monday is a holiday though, im gonna have some room to catch up before going back to work  | ||
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EDIT: Tsk tsk Maru, underestimating The Caster. | ||
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On November 01 2020 15:07 Vindicare605 wrote: Their body language..... I don't believe a single thing Maru is saying. He's nervous it's all over him. He's just saying this for the entertainment. This is how Maru always looks  He also always says he's in bad form right before winning the finals | ||
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Vindicare605
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On November 01 2020 15:08 serendipitous wrote: This is how Maru always looks He also always says he's in bad form right before winning the finalsSure, he's a shy kid. But not like this. I've seen him look more confident than this before. When he's confident he looks indifferent almost. He's visibly nervous here, AND there isn't a crowd to make him stage fright. | ||
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On November 01 2020 15:10 Vindicare605 wrote: Sure, he's a shy kid. But not like this. I've seen him look more confident than this before. When he's confident he looks indifferent almost. He's visibly nervous here, AND there isn't a crowd to make him stage fright. Finals is being played with a crowd actually | ||
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Solar424
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On November 01 2020 14:37 Vindicare605 wrote: https://twitter.com/Artosis/status/1322774059071975424 It's for real. The stakes are for real! LETS FUCKING GO! I'm surprised they didn't lose that thing, it's been 8 years since Mvp had a chance to win that. | ||
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On November 01 2020 15:14 Solar424 wrote: I'm surprised they didn't lose that thing, it's been 8 years since Mvp had a chance to win that. They likely had a new one made. The original is probably at the bottom of a stack of paper in Mr. Chae's office. | ||
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On November 01 2020 15:14 Solar424 wrote: I'm surprised they didn't lose that thing, it's been 8 years since Mvp had a chance to win that. The base is actually a brand new. | ||
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Both of them going mech/bio lol ive never seen a T go down the tech tree like this | ||
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On November 01 2020 15:32 Sif_ wrote: Whats going on???? Both of them going mech/bio lol ive never seen a T go down the tech tree like this It feels like Maru wants to mirror TY's composition which is rather odd. Though he is keeping up with his mech upgrades, so maybe he'll transition back (or at least get thors). | ||
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On November 01 2020 15:37 HeroSandro wrote: TY has been way too aggressive. No ravens or vikings. He had the ravens but they streamed in one at a time and died due to the lack of vikings. | ||
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Also that micro with the reapers was incredible, and really prevented TY from capitalizing in the early game. | ||
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On November 01 2020 15:54 lolfail9001 wrote: Man, TY has been suppressing Maru entire game. Legit no idea how Maru has stayed in this game for so long. Can't imagine any other terran staying competitive for so long. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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And wow Maru really made TY work for converting a game that was basically won when the banshees killed 14 SCVs. | ||
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It's also worth noting TY had an incredibly successful opening harass, and he still almost lost. I think Maru can take this series. | ||
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Azurues
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it was so intense watching them fight non stop from the first reaper | ||
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On November 01 2020 16:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote: There's really no good reason that Maru has better upgrades than TY given how this game has gone. And wow Maru really made TY work for converting a game that was basically won when the banshees killed 14 SCVs. Yeah TY was neglecting upgrades for a while after getting 3/3 bio. I don't think Maru made that game as close as it looked. Yes, he pushed in and killed a bunch of bases, but TY had a massive bank that he used to convert all of those dead SCVs into a better army, and Maru's army got absolutely wiped once Maru had to turn home and defend TY's counter push. | ||
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On November 01 2020 16:07 Vindicare605 wrote: When this series is over, I don't wanna hear nothing about how TvT isn't the best mirror anymore. Show me a PvP or ZvZ final that have had games this good this year, and we're only tied at 1-1 so far. Yeah. The other 2 mirrors are just coin flips. | ||
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Monochromatic
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On November 01 2020 16:06 StasisField wrote: Yeah TY was neglecting upgrades for a while after getting 3/3 bio. I don't think Maru made that game as close as it looked. Yes, he pushed in and killed a bunch of bases, but TY had a massive bank that he used to convert all of those dead SCVs into a better army, and Maru's army got absolutely wiped once Maru had to turn home and defend TY's counter push. I disagree. If Maru killed the air army, he had that game with a superior viking count and superior tank count. Money doesn't really matter if the opponent has units that kill entire armies efficiently - and this case vikings and tanks are critical. Ravens and tanks are very expensive, so his bank doesn't go very far. One thing I want to point out where Maru is drawing a pretty major edge is the air engagements. One of my favorite parts of TvT is keeping medivacs alive. Medivacs greatly increase value of the marines, but they take production away from vikings or ravens (and if you lose your medivacs, you usually have lost your vikings). So far Maru has done a great job killing TY's medivacs. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On November 01 2020 16:07 Vindicare605 wrote: When this series is over, I don't wanna hear nothing about how TvT isn't the best mirror anymore. Show me a PvP or ZvZ final that have had games this good this year, and we're only tied at 1-1 so far. That's a bit of a rigged challenge. To begin with you'd have to find a PvP finals... | ||
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That day of TSL where Day9 came back and casted with Rotti and every game was an upset. That was the greatest day of SC2 of 2020. | ||
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On November 01 2020 16:24 Vindicare605 wrote: Ugh, spawn luck here benefitting TY big time. Spawn position had nothing to do with how much damage Maru was going to take from that or from TY sniping a lot of tanks. TY had a much bigger army than Maru did when he tried to do the same thing so he did WAY more damage. | ||
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nojok
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2 tanks could siege at that spot? game over | ||
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On November 01 2020 16:48 Estraizher wrote: TY still on +1 Air Oh fuck that's so huge | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
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Maru takes game 1. Maru loses game 2 and 3. Maru win game 4 after a massive long BC/viking/raven/marine tank war So the series will end with Maru winning 4-3. | ||
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On November 01 2020 16:54 Sif_ wrote: anti armor missile doesnt stack, right? It doesn't. | ||
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On November 01 2020 16:54 Sif_ wrote: anti armor missile doesnt stack, right? It does not (and thank goodness for that). | ||
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How can anyone not say TvT is the best matchup. I wonder if TY is demoralized after that loss. | ||
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This seems like there is a potential for it | ||
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On November 01 2020 16:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It does not (and thank goodness for that). It would be stupid as hell if it did. The reason Seeker Missile got replaced was because its fundamental design meant that you could stack it. Spells in Starcraft are not meant to be stacked like that. The only exception has been EMP which has a limit to how much damage it can do. | ||
[Phantom]
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It's ok to watch but what a god awful match to play. It's really annoying when you play ladder and get two in a row and you just know you'll have two one hour games ahead of you. I can't even imagine how stressful it must be for these players that actually have something on the line to play and prepare for a best of 7 TVT. Both. Excellent players. Both with strong minds. But I think we will see more proxies/all ins going forward now. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On November 01 2020 17:02 [Phantom] wrote: I've been playing Terran lately which gave me renewed hate for TvT. It's ok to watch but what a god awful match to play. It's really annoying when you play ladder and get two in a row and you just know you'll have two one hour games ahead of you. I can't even imagine how stressful it must be for these players that actually have something on the line to play and prepare for a best of 7 TVT. Both. Excellent players. Both with strong minds. But I think we will see more proxies/all ins going forward now. Based on the way both of them have BEEN playing TvT all year long, I doubt that. Maybe one proxy, but not more than that. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:02 [Phantom] wrote: I've been playing Terran lately which gave me renewed hate for TvT. It's ok to watch but what a god awful match to play. It's really annoying when you play ladder and get two in a row and you just know you'll have two one hour games ahead of you. I can't even imagine how stressful it must be for these players that actually have something on the line to play and prepare for a best of 7 TVT. Both. Excellent players. Both with strong minds. But I think we will see more proxies/all ins going forward now. agreed 100% | ||
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On November 01 2020 17:02 [Phantom] wrote: I've been playing Terran lately which gave me renewed hate for TvT. It's ok to watch but what a god awful match to play. It's really annoying when you play ladder and get two in a row and you just know you'll have two one hour games ahead of you. I can't even imagine how stressful it must be for these players that actually have something on the line to play and prepare for a best of 7 TVT. Both. Excellent players. Both with strong minds. But I think we will see more proxies/all ins going forward now. 100%. The mental stamina required for even one late game TvT is insane, no idea how these two have managed to maintain their composure and decision making for 4 games so far. | ||
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But watching pros go at it is awesome | ||
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On November 01 2020 17:10 Morbidius wrote: TvT is a nightmare to play. Most times i decided to stop playing SC2 were after 30 minutes + TvTs. Same. Win or lose, I'm just too mentally exhausted to queue up again. | ||
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On November 01 2020 17:21 outscar wrote: Wowowow! These guys make mirror look better than TvZ! Because it is. One of many series that have made the case that TvT is not only easily the best mirror, but the best match up period at the pro level. | ||
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Just something interesting I noticed wonder if you guys agree. | ||
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On November 01 2020 17:23 Vindicare605 wrote: Because it is. One of many series that have made the case that TvT is not only easily the best mirror, but the best match up period at the pro level. When TvT's good it's really good. When TvT's bad it's really fucking bad. TvT and TvZ have similar ceilings, but TvT's floor is much lower. | ||
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On November 01 2020 17:25 [Phantom] wrote: The games Maru has won he has seem like the better player. The games TY has won have seemed like he barely edges out Maru. Just something interesting I noticed wonder if you guys agree. Yeah I'd kinda agree with that, good call. | ||
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On November 01 2020 17:25 [Phantom] wrote: The games Maru has won he has seem like the better player. The games TY has won have seemed like he barely edges out Maru. Just something interesting I noticed wonder if you guys agree. It's hard to explain. My take: Maru is the better player, but TY is the deeper player. | ||
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On November 01 2020 17:25 Waxangel wrote: Maru with the self-scan mistake He had to check his privileges | ||
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Tremendously good series. | ||
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This has to be the series of the year. I really wish it went to G7 though. I genuinely hope Maru gets the G5L in 2021, because I see the clock ticking down for GSL. There's only 6 left confirmed, and I would not be surprised if Blizzard backs out early. Now I have to decide if I stay up for Flash or go to bed. | ||
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On November 01 2020 17:40 serralfan18 wrote: Gotta say that this GSL 2020 season 3 and season 1 finals were the absolute worst finals in all of esports history. The loser of the both throwing games that were easy wins. You don't remember much, do you? >< | ||
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On November 01 2020 17:40 serralfan18 wrote: Gotta say that this GSL 2020 season 3 and season 1 finals were the absolute worst finals in all of esports history. The loser of the both throwing games that were easy wins. Oh my poor sweet summer child, you must not have seen Inca vs. NesTea | ||
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On November 01 2020 17:40 serralfan18 wrote: Gotta say that this GSL 2020 season 3 and season 1 finals were the absolute worst finals in all of esports history. The loser of the both throwing games that were easy wins. How is this joke account still capable of posting? | ||
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On November 01 2020 17:41 Zambrah wrote: I look forward to the next Power Rank where Maru will somehow be listed as number 1. "He lost but he really felt like the better player in his wins vs TY in GSL's Season 3 Finals. TY just kind of eeked his wins out and never felt in control. S3 could have easily been a 4-0 for Maru if just a couple things had gone differently. For that, Maru takes the number 1 spot." | ||
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Maru is on match point and he's still dominant. He'll have a chance to get it next year, and each time this trophy gets denied, the more valuable it will be when Maru finally does claim it. | ||
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On November 01 2020 17:45 Vindicare605 wrote: As a Maru fan, this hurts, I wanted this bad. But I have to remind myself, no one else is close. TY is great but this is only his second. The next closest is Innovation with 3. Maru is on match point and he's still dominant. He'll have a chance to get it next year, and each time this trophy gets denied, the more valuable it will be when Maru finally does claim it. It hurts but when I saw him smiling even in defeat I felt better | ||
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Waxangel
United States33392 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:45 StasisField wrote: "He lost but he really felt like the better player in his wins vs TY in GSL's Season 3 Finals. TY just kind of eeked his wins out and never felt in control. S3 could have easily been a 4-0 for Maru if just a couple things had gone differently. For that, Maru takes the number 1 spot." wow are you interested in writing for TL ? | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:45 Vindicare605 wrote: As a Maru fan, this hurts, I wanted this bad. But I have to remind myself, no one else is close. TY is great but this is only his second. The next closest is Innovation with 3. Maru is on match point and he's still dominant. He'll have a chance to get it next year, and each time this trophy gets denied, the more valuable it will be when Maru finally does claim it. Maru still has a tone of years coming unless he decides to retire. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Where's the ignore button? Seriously, if everybody knows this is a troll account, where's the banhammer? | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:47 swarminfestor wrote: Maru still has a tone of years coming unless he decides to retire. Theres also the fact that GSL might end in 2 years lol | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:45 Vindicare605 wrote: As a Maru fan, this hurts, I wanted this bad. But I have to remind myself, no one else is close. TY is great but this is only his second. The next closest is Innovation with 3. Maru is on match point and he's still dominant. He'll have a chance to get it next year, and each time this trophy gets denied, the more valuable it will be when Maru finally does claim it. Imagine if TY hadn't fumbled that game 7 against Maru in 2018, where he was so far ahead and only lost because he failed to see Maru's hail mary coming. Then TY and Maru would both be at three championships today. It's funny how little actually separates these players in the end. (off-topic, but imo that is also Starcraft's major flaw compared to e.g. football) | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:45 StasisField wrote: "He lost but he really felt like the better player in his wins vs TY in GSL's Season 3 Finals. TY just kind of eeked his wins out and never felt in control. S3 could have easily been a 4-0 for Maru if just a couple things had gone differently. For that, Maru takes the number 1 spot." Nah, TL Power Rank will only mysteriously appear when Byun or Taeja is on the upswing. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:48 Sif_ wrote: Theres also the fact that GSL might end in 2 years lol I would be surprised if the GSL would continue considering the recent Blizzard moves and the state of SC2/1 in Korea. | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
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Moonerz
United States445 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:50 sneakyfox wrote: Imagine if TY hadn't fumbled that game 7 against Maru in 2018, where he was so far ahead and only lost because he failed to see Maru's hail mary coming. Then TY and Maru would both be at three championships today. It's funny how little actually separates these players in the end. (off-topic, but imo that is also Starcraft's major flaw compared to e.g. football) What do you mean? Real sports are often times decided by weird one off situations Patriots vs Giants the helmet catch. Tottenham vs West Ham that wonder goal by Lanzini. All these things can be decided by amazing moments that don't always make a ton of sense lol. | ||
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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:51 deacon.frost wrote: I would be surprised if the GSL would continue considering the recent Blizzard moves and the state of SC2/1 in Korea. What exactly is the state of SC2/1 in Korea currently? | ||
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Zambrah
United States7306 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:45 StasisField wrote: "He lost but he really felt like the better player in his wins vs TY in GSL's Season 3 Finals. TY just kind of eeked his wins out and never felt in control. S3 could have easily been a 4-0 for Maru if just a couple things had gone differently. For that, Maru takes the number 1 spot." If I was in possession of money I'd TL+ this, sadly youll have to settle for the moral TL+ from my poor ass. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:53 Moonerz wrote: What do you mean? Real sports are often times decided by weird one off situations Patriots vs Giants the helmet catch. Tottenham vs West Ham that wonder goal by Lanzini. All these things can be decided by amazing moments that don't always make a ton of sense lol. I should say that by "football" I mean the sport that is actually played with the feet  And in the football leagues, stuff like what happened in Tottenham vs West Ham evens out over a whole season where you play 36-38 games. (doesn't apply for a CL finals obviously) | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:53 Moonerz wrote: What do you mean? Real sports are often times decided by weird one off situations Patriots vs Giants the helmet catch. Tottenham vs West Ham that wonder goal by Lanzini. All these things can be decided by amazing moments that don't always make a ton of sense lol. Maradona's hand of god (good think to mention considering his recent birthday)On November 01 2020 17:58 sneakyfox wrote: I should say that by "football" I mean the sport that is actually played with the feet And in the football leagues, stuff like what happened in Tottenham vs West Ham evens out over a whole season where you play 36-38 games. (doesn't apply for a CL finals obviously)You cannot compare a real league system to a tournament system. GSL isn't a league per se thus it will be decided by funky business. | ||
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Crocolisk Dundee
870 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:45 StasisField wrote: "He lost but he really felt like the better player in his wins vs TY in GSL's Season 3 Finals. TY just kind of eeked his wins out and never felt in control. S3 could have easily been a 4-0 for Maru if just a couple things had gone differently. For that, Maru takes the number 1 spot." Haha, nice.  | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:47 swarminfestor wrote: Maru still has a tone of years coming unless he decides to retire. That trophy is his. I'm convinced of it. The fact that he won SILVER after winning 4 golds so that now he has 4 golds and a SIlver in GSL Code S and somehow now THAT is a disappointment is a testament to how great he is in the world's finest SC2 tournament, and that's without mentioning his Super Tournament gold, which WOULD have counted if we were counting GSLs the way we did when Mvp was up for his G5L. No matter how I look at it. TY was the toughest opponent Maru can ask for. He's the best in the world at the match up that Maru is weakest at. I always knew this would be a coin flip and this series confirmed that for me. Maru will get another chance, probably 2 more. That trophy is his. I don't see TY winning 3 more before he gets one or Inno winning 2 before he gets one. He'll win the first G5L. It's not a matter of IF, but when. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4009 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:54 marcesr wrote: What exactly is the state of SC2/1 in Korea currently? look up Snow’s interview with TY and Stats on YT (its subtitled) | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On November 01 2020 18:20 RKC wrote: Rogue will clinch G5L at the very last GSL #theswarmalwayswins Does it mean Rogue will win the next Code S no matter what? | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 01 2020 18:24 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: look up Snow’s interview with TY and Stats on YT (its subtitled) Let's say it this way - there can't be both and the majority of people is watching the BW. Edit> Arty talked about this on the last episode of the Pylon Show | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4009 Posts
On November 01 2020 18:37 deacon.frost wrote: Let's say it this way - there can't be both and the majority of people is watching the BW. Edit> Arty talked about this on the last episode of the Pylon Show That's an oversimplification and does not relate to my comment, so i'm surprised to see this response to my post. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 01 2020 19:08 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: That's an oversimplification and does not relate to my comment, so i'm surprised to see this response to my post. It was meant as an addition to the post. And yes, it's oversimplification, but the sources arethere. | ||
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parksonsc
175 Posts
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stilt
France2749 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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Decendos
Germany1338 Posts
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
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esdf
Croatia736 Posts
Holy shit. Give me TY vs Maru finals for the remaining 6 GSLs please. If their first 2 finals were this good, I can't wait to see more. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
Too bad Maru lost | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
I think Maru was slower than usual with his army movements and allow TY to do those crazy boosts to the main. That and a weak defense vs banshees, it seems Maru never expected TY to open banshee, gave TY an early advantage in almost every game. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:48 Sif_ wrote: Theres also the fact that GSL might end in 2 years lol There's also the fact GSL is now over so Apollo can find new ways to fuck over Korea User was warned for this post | ||
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MajiN1
113 Posts
Never bet again Ty when he's able to prepare his match... Gl this was a very good year for our Baby | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
TY is just unstoppable in GSL. His ability to get build order wins this year is something else. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
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kaykoose
United States2302 Posts
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
On November 01 2020 17:54 marcesr wrote: What exactly is the state of SC2/1 in Korea currently? SC1 looks kinda healthy. Old pros still are dominating, but streaming is a viable source of income. There are some talented younger players. Viewership still is amazing if some old heroes play. SC2 on the other hand, looks on the brink of death again. Lots of players have retired, some are going to the military. There are younger players, but the tournament scene is a shell of former glory. Streaming only works if you have lots of foreign fans, because korean viewers prefer BW. Once ESL pulls out, it'll be back to grassroots level, which SC2 has never been. But it's too soon to even make an informed guess. Let's enjoy it while it lasts. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1689 Posts
G5L is cursed | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
Unfortunately if they are not the absolute best of the best it's really not the case. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 02 2020 02:14 virpi wrote: SC1 looks kinda healthy. Old pros still are dominating, but streaming is a viable source of income. There are some talented younger players. Viewership still is amazing if some old heroes play. SC2 on the other hand, looks on the brink of death again. Lots of players have retired, some are going to the military. There are younger players, but the tournament scene is a shell of former glory. Streaming only works if you have lots of foreign fans, because korean viewers prefer BW. Once ESL pulls out, it'll be back to grassroots level, which SC2 has never been. But it's too soon to even make an informed guess. Let's enjoy it while it lasts. Also Arty mentioned that there are far more players coming to try the ASL qualis but almost none for the GSL qualis. Which is probably the most horryfying thing considering the longevity. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25388 Posts
Hopefully someone got them and they won’t be lost to time | ||
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ilax30
720 Posts
On November 02 2020 04:26 mierin wrote: Good on TY! TvT can be an amazing matchup in the hands of the best players...this series definitely proved that. Unfortunately if they are not the absolute best of the best it's really not the case. Dont really agree with that, in eu especially ive mostly enjoyed the tvts between the top terrans which has delivered tons of lategame matches which are action packed the whole way through. In zvz most people only get hyped when its serral v reynor. And while that matchup can be interesting, muta's just seem too strong atm and its all about scouting it in time and then A just camping untill you get the perfect army comp or B nydus the hell out of the muta player and try to end the game or die trying. And then pvp was quite fun for a while with the stalker disruptor, but that matchup is too stagnant atm with 30% of the matches ending because 2 adepts shade in the mineral line, 60% of the matches going into disruptor/stalker and then 10% of the time we get some sort of interesting lategame comp which can still evolve into both players massing shield battery's and camping while tempest shoot each other and random zealots run across the map with a observer on top of them. Ofc TvT can be boring the first 8 minutes or so if both players want to play defensive. But after that the diversity in this matchup is immense, and the choices in the army comp are quite diverse. Hell we even saw Maru going for both mech and bio upgrades at the same time in one game trying to mindgame TY which just never happens.. TvT has been in a good state for a while, and long may it last. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25388 Posts
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bela.mervado
Hungary390 Posts
On November 02 2020 09:22 WombaT wrote: Please tell me someone did get the FPVoDs of this, would be a crime against humanity if they were lost in time like tears in rain i've seen things you people wouldn't believe.. (grats TY) | ||
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tennisl
United Kingdom44 Posts
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maitiky
Czech Republic54 Posts
On November 02 2020 17:27 tennisl wrote: Better player lost. G5S postponed for the next time I guess If he lost, he was not a better player (at least not that day). TY simply outplayed Maru in that series. We can debate for long hours about what could have been and what should have him or him done, but that won't change the fact that TY played better and won. He wasn't going for some super cheesy builds or any sort of weird stuff, he just played standard (if there even is such thing in TvT nowadays) and beat the hell out of Maru. Good series overall and deserved win for TY. And speaking for myself, the narrative of G5L as a never achieved myth and elusive dream is far more interesting than one player simply acomplishing that feat. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On November 02 2020 17:27 tennisl wrote: Better player lost. G5S postponed for the next time I guess Yeah, too bad for Armani, but that's how ZvT is | ||
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Slydie
1920 Posts
Ofc TvT can be boring the first 8 minutes or so if both players want to play defensive. But after that the diversity in this matchup is immense, and the choices in the army comp are quite diverse. Hell we even saw Maru going for both mech and bio upgrades at the same time in one game trying to mindgame TY which just never happens.. TvT has been in a good state for a while, and long may it last. Yes, it TvT is good, and I enjoy watching it! However, every composition has tanks and marines as core units, while the tech choice is really about which and how many starport units you make: medivacs, vikings, ravens, liberators or eventually BCs. Mech is a niche, and going hyper-mobile on pure bio has not been an option for a very long time. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 02 2020 18:00 Durnuu wrote: Yeah, too bad for Armani, but that's how ZvT is That's what you get for not being a patchzerg | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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-KG-
Denmark1215 Posts
Grats to TY and hopefully Maru will get that G5L soon! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25388 Posts
On November 02 2020 15:42 bela.mervado wrote: i've seen things you people wouldn't believe.. (grats TY) What a monologue. TY surely has to be rising up the GOAT rankings given his 2020 so far. 2 GSL titles and he’s seized the highest GSL win rate off Mvp, along with holding on to his highest TvT winrate accolade (which iirc is maybe the highest vX of anyone’s individual matchups in GSL) | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On November 03 2020 01:12 WombaT wrote: What a monologue. TY surely has to be rising up the GOAT rankings given his 2020 so far. 2 GSL titles and he’s seized the highest GSL win rate off Mvp, along with holding on to his highest TvT winrate accolade (which iirc is maybe the highest vX of anyone’s individual matchups in GSL) Fun fact: TY's TvT winrate actually dropped after beating Maru 4-2. That's how high it is. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9651 Posts
gratz TY, deserved win. Both players were great though. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On November 02 2020 18:41 Phredxor wrote: Wheres ya boi Noonius at to da suicide watchhh!! | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Suicide watch? More like overdosing-in-exaltation watch or smt | ||
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