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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-17 16:53:53
September 17 2020 16:51 GMT
#421
On September 18 2020 01:49 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2020 01:47 Elentos wrote:
On September 18 2020 01:46 sneakyfox wrote:
On September 18 2020 01:31 stilt wrote:
Eu players are probably not as good as they think but still good enough x)


There is just a massive dropoff after the first two (now three?). Marinelord is apparently the 4th best European now, if you take a look at the Code S Ro16 it's clear he wouldn't make it there. So Korea's no 16 is still better than EU's no 4.

I mean let's be real the brackets just worked out fortunately for MLorD. He's not better than Heromarine or Showtime and I think either of those are better than Zoun.


I dunno, I don't see either of those beating Innovation AND soO. The preparation format of course changes things.

Do you see Zoun doing that on more than 1 day of the year?

They're far more steady players than either Zoun or MLorD.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-17 16:53:54
September 17 2020 16:52 GMT
#422
On September 18 2020 01:50 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2020 01:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On September 18 2020 01:46 sneakyfox wrote:
On September 18 2020 01:31 stilt wrote:
Eu players are probably not as good as they think but still good enough x)


There is just a massive dropoff after the first two (now three?). Marinelord is apparently the 4th best European now, if you take a look at the Code S Ro16 it's clear he wouldn't make it there. So Korea's no 16 is still better than EU's no 4.


Marinelord is only the fourth best European in the same way that DRG is the fourth best Korean.


I compared him with the current Code S Ro16 though, which are the top 16 in the same way that Mlord is top 4.


I compared him with the latest completed Code S Ro4 though, which are the top 4 in the same way that Mlord is top 4.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8218 Posts
September 17 2020 16:53 GMT
#423
On September 18 2020 01:51 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2020 01:49 sneakyfox wrote:
On September 18 2020 01:47 Elentos wrote:
On September 18 2020 01:46 sneakyfox wrote:
On September 18 2020 01:31 stilt wrote:
Eu players are probably not as good as they think but still good enough x)


There is just a massive dropoff after the first two (now three?). Marinelord is apparently the 4th best European now, if you take a look at the Code S Ro16 it's clear he wouldn't make it there. So Korea's no 16 is still better than EU's no 4.

I mean let's be real the brackets just worked out fortunately for MLorD. He's not better than Heromarine or Showtime and I think either of those are better than Zoun.


I dunno, I don't see either of those beating Innovation AND soO. The preparation format of course changes things.

Do you see Zoun doing that on more than 1 day of the year?


Tbh no, but then again, I must confess that I didn't exactly liquibet him either
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
September 17 2020 16:54 GMT
#424
I must say in the info bar at the bottom it's hard to tell if Special is on eXoN or if he is on mouz.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
September 17 2020 16:56 GMT
#425
On September 18 2020 01:46 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2020 01:31 stilt wrote:
Eu players are probably not as good as they think but still good enough x)


There is just a massive dropoff after the first two (now three?). Marinelord is apparently the 4th best European now, if you take a look at the Code S Ro16 it's clear he wouldn't make it there. So Korea's no 16 is still better than EU's no 4.


I know but I had in mind a tweet of one of the aussie bully (Pezz) while writing it.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
September 17 2020 16:59 GMT
#426
Wait this is Central? Why was Special's micro so bad last game then
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
September 17 2020 17:00 GMT
#427
On September 18 2020 01:54 Elentos wrote:
I must say in the info bar at the bottom it's hard to tell if Special is on eXoN or if he is on mouz.

Yes indeed, but Mouz having another player than Heromarine would be something that you'd probably know. I don't know how long it has been that Heromarine is alone in Mouz but it's a couple of years for sure.
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
September 17 2020 17:00 GMT
#428
Umm why did Special donate a Raven there?
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8218 Posts
September 17 2020 17:01 GMT
#429
On September 18 2020 01:59 Elentos wrote:
Wait this is Central? Why was Special's micro so bad last game then


Maybe he lost his motivation after not making 1st. It's Reynor/Serral/Trap so maybe he's like "fuck it".
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13326 Posts
September 17 2020 17:01 GMT
#430
On September 18 2020 02:00 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2020 01:54 Elentos wrote:
I must say in the info bar at the bottom it's hard to tell if Special is on eXoN or if he is on mouz.

Yes indeed, but Mouz having another player than Heromarine would be something that you'd probably know. I don't know how long it has been that Heromarine is alone in Mouz but it's a couple of years for sure.

Fuck mouz btw, they ruined my boy Dear
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
September 17 2020 17:03 GMT
#431
right, what to do now?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
September 17 2020 17:03 GMT
#432
Gj !
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8218 Posts
September 17 2020 17:03 GMT
#433
With all that aggression, Clem managed to make those games exactly the kind that he would win.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
September 17 2020 17:03 GMT
#434
It feels bad to say but Special truly looked like an absolute budget TY this series.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
September 17 2020 17:04 GMT
#435
Not sure what I was expecting out of this group, but this wasn't it. Oh well, hopefully tomorrow's will be better.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
September 17 2020 17:04 GMT
#436
On September 18 2020 02:04 mierin wrote:
Not sure what I was expecting out of this group, but this wasn't it. Oh well, hopefully tomorrow's will be better.

You were expecting something but we got nothing.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
September 17 2020 17:04 GMT
#437
It's fine if the casters are Clem fans but I think they should be a little more impartial when commentating, no? That was a little rough to listen to
WTCO
Profile Joined September 2013
United States646 Posts
September 17 2020 17:06 GMT
#438
2 of each race so far to the Ro8. With this and the 6/6/5 in GSL, the game more balanced than ever
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
September 17 2020 17:06 GMT
#439
On September 18 2020 02:04 kaykoose wrote:
It's fine if the casters are Clem fans but I think they should be a little more impartial when commentating, no? That was a little rough to listen to

Impartial commentary isn't a thing in SC2.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 17 2020 17:06 GMT
#440
On September 17 2020 18:10 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2020 18:01 starkiller123 wrote:
On September 17 2020 13:24 tigon_ridge wrote:
On September 17 2020 10:13 Pandain wrote:
I can't help but think Special is going to just beat clem twice.


That's probably not going to happen, even if they were to play four series against each other.

idk Clem's TvT is probably his weakest matchup, he has a losing record against Heromarine and I wouldn't say Special's TvT is significantly worse than Heromarine's

Yeah, while Clem is better than Special in TvP and way better in TvZ, their TvTs are actually pretty even or maybe even slightly favoured for Special, so it could absolutly happen.
E.: they are actually 4-4 in Matches total and 3-3 in Bo3+ in 2020

1-1 in Matches as well today between Clem and Special. And nice to see Mr Baguette getting out of his group this time GGs
MaxPax
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