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Poll: Who Advances?INnoVation & Dark (23) 68% INnoVation & PartinG (6) 18% Dark & PartinG (3) 9% Bunny & INnoVation (2) 6% PartinG & Bunny (0) 0% Dark & Bunny (0) 0% 34 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): INnoVation & Dark (Vote): PartinG & Bunny (Vote): Dark & PartinG (Vote): Bunny & INnoVation (Vote): Dark & Bunny (Vote): INnoVation & PartinG
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Innovation 2-0 Dark Parting 2-1 Bunny Innovation 2-1 Parting Dark 2-0 Bunny Dark 2-0 Parting
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curious to see how dark is looking
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Inno 2-0 Dark Parting 2-1 Bunny Inno 2-0 Parting Bunny 2-0 Dark Parting 2-1 Bunny
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Innovation 2-0 dark Parting 2-0 bunny Innovation 2-1 parting Dark 2-0 bunny Dark 2-1 parting
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Hmm? Did Tasteless just say that Zest only became very good in LotV and that INno was strong in the beta?
That's an incorrect take.
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dark vs innovation might be the most chad matchup in SC2
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Dark is dead. 22 drones for free? He has less army supply with roaches.
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i haven't been tip top for a while but is a 90 food lair typical in zvt??
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On July 18 2020 13:16 Alejandrisha wrote: i haven't been tip top for a while but is a 90 food lair typical in zvt?? 90 supply lair is late
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On July 18 2020 13:18 serendipitous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 13:16 Alejandrisha wrote: i haven't been tip top for a while but is a 90 food lair typical in zvt?? 90 supply lair is late so i doubt the 160 ling speed is timely
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dark is so ridiculously good
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if dark didn't get his lair at 90 food i think he could have had overseers in time for those banshees... what a strange way to play
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Isn't this the same build Dark used vs Taeja last season? Not a very good build...
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Inno played pretty sloppy after the 22 drone kills, but his lead was way too big.
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how did dark survived so long??!! just die xD
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Dark made it so close after 22 drones lost.
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On July 18 2020 13:23 Topin wrote: how did dark survived so long??!! just die xD
If you play really greedy and make a ton of drones you can afford to lose quite a few. Not 20+ though.
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This is a strange build from Inno. 2/1/1 with a viking? No hellions at all.
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So Dark got the quick hive for adrenal and nothing else? Weird. Especially with no 2/2. I wonder what the plan was.
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Wow, Dark showing us the next evolution of the Ultras-into-lose strat: Nothing-into-lose
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On July 18 2020 13:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote: So Dark got the quick hive for adrenal and nothing else? Weird. Especially with no 2/2. I wonder what the plan was.
I think the idea was ling/bane into hive but Inno was basically allin.
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That was a really confusing game from Dark.
On July 18 2020 13:35 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 13:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote: So Dark got the quick hive for adrenal and nothing else? Weird. Especially with no 2/2. I wonder what the plan was. I think the idea was ling/bane into hive but Inno was basically allin.
Surely you still get 2/2 though.
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i am staring at my fingers trying to figure out that last game.
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so many queens by Dark... i dont get it
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On July 18 2020 13:35 serralfan18 wrote: Innovation > Serral
Eh, Inno's mech is at Serral's level but his bio (at least with ping) definitely isn't.
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Inno machine-learning Maru's bio go-hard-or-go-home style?
Maybe Dark should have focused his lings on killing reinforcements rather than economy.
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On July 18 2020 13:35 Topin wrote: so many queens by Dark... i dont get it 8 queens rather than 6 to deflect weird things. i don't thinkk that was his mistake.
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I dont know. Ive seen alot of zergs do macro hatch ling/bane upgrades into hive pretty well. Inno just hit at the perfect time and dark decided to counter attack instead of cleaning up.
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On July 18 2020 13:36 Alejandrisha wrote:8 queens rather than 6 to deflect weird things. i don't thinkk that was his mistake.
More queens is never a mistake.
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Inno's control is incredible.
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I wonder how the game would have went if he didn't attack the Natural and went for the surround instead.
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On July 18 2020 13:36 Alejandrisha wrote:8 queens rather than 6 to deflect weird things. i don't thinkk that was his mistake.
Eight's pretty normal. But he went up to 10 while cutting drones at 52 which is less usual I think?
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On July 18 2020 13:36 Baffels wrote: I dont know. Ive seen alot of zergs do macro hatch ling/bane upgrades into hive pretty well. Inno just hit at the perfect time and dark decided to counter attack instead of cleaning up. yeah i agree. dark's cleans were good but the lings and banes to the econ never could outdo the early damage. that's why dark is dark. most zergs would crumble after the first push but he was able to stretch it out, making the would-be kill push look like a joke
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On July 18 2020 13:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 13:36 Alejandrisha wrote:On July 18 2020 13:35 Topin wrote: so many queens by Dark... i dont get it 8 queens rather than 6 to deflect weird things. i don't thinkk that was his mistake. Eight's pretty normal. But he went up to 10 while cutting drones at 52 which is less usual I think? hell i would make 12. i don't think the queen production was his downfall.
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Is it just me, or is Inno smirking more than usual?
Pretty confident use of excess disk space on emotional algorithms...
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On July 18 2020 13:39 RKC wrote: Is it just me, or is Inno smirking more than usual?
Pretty confident use of excess disk space on emotional algorithms...
He's loosened up a lot after Kesa.
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he sniffed those flowers and figured it out
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don't know how people dont consider innovation the GOAT yet.
His peak was the greatest proleague player of all time, and he's won and contended in different eras too
this dude is nuts
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On July 18 2020 13:40 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 13:39 RKC wrote: Is it just me, or is Inno smirking more than usual?
Pretty confident use of excess disk space on emotional algorithms... He's loosened up a lot after Kesa.
Uncle Innovation just out here having fun
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Not sure why some of the players keep wearing masks while playing. There's some space and a divider between them. I guess they don't find it distracting.
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On July 18 2020 13:41 BerserkSword wrote: don't know how people dont consider innovation the GOAT yet.
His peak was the greatest proleague player of all time, and he's won and contended in different eras too
this dude is nuts
INno has the most impressive Aliguilac profile too
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Bunny pulling out the weird builds right away.
I'm a huge fan of the early supply depot though, you can go 1 base or 3CC behind it and Protoss has no way to scout it.
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Strangest proxy execution I've seen in a while.
edit: Oh boy it's one of those series.
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On July 18 2020 13:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Strangest proxy execution I've seen in a while.
Fastest scv pull too.
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BITBYBITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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bunny doing the 12 pool drone pull in tvp
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Blizzard: We'd like to see more lategame TvP.
Terrans: Imma pull scvs off 1base.
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didnt TY did something like this sometime ago?
edit: nice by Bunny to bring something like this
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If he kept the sentry alive at the ramp I think he would have defended it
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On July 18 2020 13:47 geokilla wrote: Why the Sentry?
FF the ramp, but he was too late.
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Gisado calling this the 4k MMR build of Korean ladder 
On July 18 2020 13:47 geokilla wrote: Why the Sentry?
I think it was was a blind sentry (pre-scouting) for whatever strat he had originally prepared.
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On July 18 2020 13:43 Alucen-Will- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 13:41 BerserkSword wrote: don't know how people dont consider innovation the GOAT yet.
His peak was the greatest proleague player of all time, and he's won and contended in different eras too
this dude is nuts INno has the most impressive Aliguilac profile too
that i did not know
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On July 18 2020 13:47 geokilla wrote: Why the Sentry? would have been a great play to forcefield the nat ramp but he never did it. so the sentry was a total botch job
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On July 18 2020 13:47 Waxangel wrote:Gisado calling this the 4k MMR build of Korean ladder  I feel personally attacked
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On July 18 2020 13:48 fastr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 13:47 Waxangel wrote:Gisado calling this the 4k MMR build of Korean ladder  I feel personally attacked
If you do something dumb but it works it wasn't dumb.
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On July 18 2020 13:47 Waxangel wrote:Gisado calling this the 4k MMR build of Korean ladder 
Really shows the superiority of the Korean ladder. Plebeians like us only do sensible stuff like proxy marauders.
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In the qualifier of ESL Summer, Coffee used this method to win Cloudy.
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I guess the gas steal is to delay the siege tank timing
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That didn't really work out for Parting, he's behind on eco now.
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On July 18 2020 13:50 thickertom wrote:In the qualifier of ESL Summer, Coffee used this method to win Cloudy.
Has did it to not-beat Cure
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If Bunny didn't send out that double drop I think he would've deflected that pretty easily. Even now, he's got a pretty big opportunity.
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What a disappointing group already :/
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Bunny controlled that well.
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"Close all your orifices cuz Bunny's coming for you!"
Lol.
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Bunny should just soft contain, he has a huge tech lead and they're roughly even on eco. All Parting has is charge.
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Bunny dropping a 2 base protoss trying to achieve what exactly? He should have just kept chasing units and rally push, what a missed opportunity
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If it was Maru he would just have attacked the natural and won the game
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On July 18 2020 13:57 fastr wrote: Bunny dropping a 2 base protoss trying to achieve what exactly? He should have just kept chasing units and rally push, what a missed opportunity
He could've won the game if not for the overcharge.
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On July 18 2020 13:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 13:57 fastr wrote: Bunny dropping a 2 base protoss trying to achieve what exactly? He should have just kept chasing units and rally push, what a missed opportunity He could've won the game if not for the overcharge.
Army supply was like 30 to 4 at some point, I think you just focus the battery at that point
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Bunny decides he's not all-in after all? armory and upgrades again
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On July 18 2020 14:01 Waxangel wrote: Bunny decides he's not all-in after all? armory and upgrades again
Somehow this managed to become a macro game I guess. Felt like Bunny missed a big opportunity to win though.
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As bio Terran, is storm or disruptor more annoying to deal with?
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On July 18 2020 14:02 RKC wrote: As bio Terran, is storm or disruptor more annoying to deal with?
Disruptors are way more tilting, no question.
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On July 18 2020 14:02 RKC wrote: As bio Terran, is storm or disruptor more annoying to deal with?
Disruptors by far.
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I think I watched Maru having good marine splits against Astrea during ESL. How did Inno do against Neeb?
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On July 18 2020 14:06 RKC wrote: I think I watched Maru having good marine splits against Astrea during ESL. How did Inno do against Neeb?
Neeb played some offbeat phoenix into quick carrier stuff, so it's a bit hard to judge INno's TvP from those games.
It probably doesn't tell us anything about how PartinG vs INno would go.
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Ah Bunny shouldn't have gone in with those medivacs in the main. The threat of those medivacs keeping a bunch of stalkers is so much more valuable than actually sending those medivacs in.
He would have lost even with that though.
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Bunny's mechanics seem stronger but he's still making questionable decisions.
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Innovation should win against PartinG. All Innovation has to do is defend since PartinG is almost always cheesing or playing aggressive. Will be interesting to see what strategy Bunny pulls out to try and upset Dark.
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I would much rather play DRG than TY in the quarters
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On July 18 2020 14:34 Alucen-Will- wrote: I would much rather play DRG than TY in the quarters
With how TY's been playing recently I wouldn't agree.
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Does Parting think that Inno was sleeping through the last series or something?
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So PartinG's doing the exact same thing except with fewer immortals and more gas?
edit: Oh storm is nice.
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PartinG going full PartinG this game
.. then watching the drop leave and be totally out of position....
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This is the right type of weird game just like the series against Bunny, but unlike the weird games that Dark showed us.
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Such a hot mess of a game
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PartinG should've taken the other rich gas base. What would INno have done about it? Pushed out?
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As a terran... this is the most tilting game Ive ever seen :D :D: D
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jesus christ those storms
it's almost enough to convince me to make an afreecaTV account so I can clip it (yes, they have that function now)
almost
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That was the literal best engagement PartinG could possibly have taken. And now INno doesn't even have 2/2 started.
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On July 18 2020 14:48 BabyMozart wrote: As a terran... this is the most tilting game Ive ever seen :D :D: D
I can totally see Terran not reach the Ro4 after all the terran domination lmao.
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20 years of starcraft still unsieging and sieging all tanks at same time.
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TBH tanks have proven to be a shit option against zealot/archon
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On July 18 2020 14:49 Lexender wrote: TBH tanks have proven to be a shit option against zealot/archon
It's not great, but you really don't need to give them help by collecting all the tanks in the smallest area possible for storms.
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PartinG's back to being up three upgrades, but who the hell knows if that even matters in this game.
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wtf why did inno gg out????
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clumped tanks devoured by the storms was the best meal so far.
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Observers, Mass zealot, Blink DTs, Parting abuses the more bullshit of the protoss race and it really makes you think if other protoss do bad because they keep getting stuck trying to play in old ways.
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On July 18 2020 14:55 BerserkSword wrote: wtf why did inno gg out????
40 supply and a base or 2 down, one of his bases vulnerable with no defenses and a smaller army, down 3 upgrades, and the bases that he did have were mined out due to heavy muling
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On July 18 2020 14:56 Kitai wrote:40 supply and a base or 2 down, one of his bases vulnerable with no defenses and a smaller army, down 3 upgrades, and the bases that he did have were mined out due to heavy muling
why early gg out against a cowboy protoss like parting though.
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LOL going pure marauder-tank against the blink stalker player.
is it big brain from innovation, or is this small brain from parting?
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Ah, the ol' Proxy Rax into Proxy Factory into another Proxy Rax opening.
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LOL Probes were the counter to Marauder-Tank
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battery over charge pretty good against the a-move :D
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F.A.Q.
What counters stalkers? Marauders and Tanks!
What counters marauders and tanks? Probes, apparently!
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Shield battery overcharge is always there for you no matter what bs the opponent comes up with.
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battery overcharge is really really good
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Should've pulled the bois
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Innovation is playing pretty poorly.
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Paraphrasing Heromarine "of course Imba battery" xD
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omg parting gets out again
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that was an interesting game o.o
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Observers won both games for parting
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On July 18 2020 15:02 Garnet wrote: Innovation is playing pretty poorly.
The TvP meta doesn't favors him TBH, its either the terran does some fast aggresion or the protoss does, nobody wants to play the midgame.
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Parting get the revenge against TY please
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Weird series but glad PartinG advanced. Don't think he will choke as hard against TY this time
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That was one of the funniest, strangest, and most interesting Bo3s I've seen in a very long time. Glad I stayed up for it!
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Inno must survive, so that he has willpower to fight against Reynor after this.
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Inno built tanks in both games and completely botched them...just ugly play from one of the best.
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So did PartinG roll out of bed yesterday and mess around in Dreamhack?
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innovation played arrogantly tbh
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On July 18 2020 15:05 BerserkSword wrote: innovation played arrogantly tbh
I disagree. He's been going for a lot of strange builds over the past few months. Sometimes they work out, and sometimes they fail and look really bad.
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incoming Parting vs DRG finals lol
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On July 18 2020 15:09 Waxangel wrote:Leaving this note for those of you who will end up finding it (you know who you are  ) In his interview, regarding the DH Season Finals, PartinG said he doesn't care about online tournaments and goes all-in on GSL  not surprising for anyone who's watched koreans in online tournaments any time in the past 10 years
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On July 18 2020 15:09 Waxangel wrote:Leaving this note for those of you who will end up finding it (you know who you are  ) In his interview, regarding the DH Season Finals, PartinG said he doesn't care about online tournaments and goes all-in on GSL 
Nice.
We can add that to the list right after the ping, and the unfavorable time zones.
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On July 18 2020 15:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 15:09 Waxangel wrote:Leaving this note for those of you who will end up finding it (you know who you are  ) In his interview, regarding the DH Season Finals, PartinG said he doesn't care about online tournaments and goes all-in on GSL  Nice. We can add that to the list right after the ping, and the unfavorable time zones. <astronauts always has been meme>
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On July 18 2020 15:12 Die4Ever wrote: incoming Parting vs DRG finals lol Considering that would involve PartinG getting revenge on TY and DRG winning a bo5 v Inno that would be damn ideal.
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On July 18 2020 15:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote:I disagree. He's been going for a lot of strange builds over the past few months. Sometimes they work out, and sometimes they fail and look really bad.
Isn't that every existing pro terran player currently?
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On July 18 2020 15:17 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 15:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 18 2020 15:05 BerserkSword wrote: innovation played arrogantly tbh I disagree. He's been going for a lot of strange builds over the past few months. Sometimes they work out, and sometimes they fail and look really bad. Isn't that every existing pro terran player currently?
Not really. When Cure for example cheeses it's mostly been really normal cheeses.
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That was a very normal game. By far the most normal of the day so far. Bunny just didn't manage to pressure Dark in any meaningful way.
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Hard to believe that Bunny's GSL gameplan involves playing standard games against dark
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Oh man, what a feeling it must be that your last act in a GSL is losing a banshee to Ravagers.
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a sad day for honorable macro terrans
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Yeah w/e, let's get back to seeing if Dark does anything sensible against INnoVation.
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GSL without either Inno or Dark for RO8....
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Anyone know why Life isn't in the hype video for being the first royal reader in the gsl?
User was temp banned for this post.
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On July 18 2020 15:47 serralfan18 wrote: Anyone know why Life isn't in the hype video for being the first royal reader in the gsl? Cos he got banned
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watching a clump of 8 queens die to stim marines is so satisfying insane how inno makes this kind of push work vs dark, so strong
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Tough game for Dark. He played much more normally and solidly this time, but INno was just too strong.
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2 best players in the world are EU. In 1 year 3 best players are EU.
In 2 years EU > Korea region.
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On July 18 2020 15:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Tough game for Dark. He played much more normally this time, but INno was just too strong.
Did Inno ever get a third or was that a 2base allin? Because it felt like a 2base allin.
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On July 18 2020 15:58 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 15:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Tough game for Dark. He played much more normally this time, but INno was just too strong. Did Inno ever get a third or was that a 2base allin? Because it felt like a 2base allin.
2 base and dark didn't adjust for it
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On July 18 2020 15:58 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 15:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Tough game for Dark. He played much more normally this time, but INno was just too strong. Did Inno ever get a third or was that a 2base allin? Because it felt like a 2base allin.
I think it was off 2 bases. Dark overdroned I guess.
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Dropping on top of the banes with marines is like super worth though
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is "good biles" the new "amazing fungals"? :D
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On July 18 2020 16:09 Andi_Goldberger wrote: is "good biles" the new "amazing fungals"? :D
Money biles?
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On July 18 2020 16:09 sudete wrote:Dropping on top of the banes with marines is like super worth though 
Ideally you'd be dropping from a single medivac at a time rather than both in the exact same area though.
Dark's macro's pretty sick. He seems to be consistently producing 70 lings at a time.
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Good to see dark getting annihilated by widowmines just like i do
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Yknow I was gonna say that Inno keeps going for allins because he must think he can't win a macro game. Then he goes and dominates a macro game.
Also, I kinda suspect that Inno is very happy to be facing DRG instead of TY in the Ro8.
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It killed me to see Dark not get any overseers at all... widow mines just wrecked his ass in game 2
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Submarine's a very hard map for ZvT. I wonder what Dark's veto strategy was. Maybe he doesn't mind it as much as most zerg since he's a fan of the ravager push.
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Inno's last 4 series against dark: 5-2, 4-1, 2-0, 2-0
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On July 18 2020 16:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Submarine's a very hard map for ZvT. I wonder what Dark's veto strategy was. Maybe he doesn't mind it as much as most zerg since he's a fan of the ravager push.
He vetoed in the first time around though. And he did go for the roach attack.
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Remember when Dark had the best ZvT in the world and didnt lose to anyone for more than a year? Well thats gone. Obviously Terran is stronger now, but still pretty surprising.
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DRG vs Inno TY vs Parting its 2014 right????
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Dark I'm a relatively new fan and fell in love with Dark style last year, seeing him getting crushed again and again lately really hurts.
Good thing we got that Super Tournament finals, even if he lost that was a great game
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Dark honestly looked lost in those games vs innovation today. In the first match he lost 20 drones to banshees he saw on innovation's side of the map because he didn't make spores. In the second game, he kept doing economic damage until he literally didn't have a big enough army to fight Innovation's push. In this second series in game one, he built a spire, banked like 1200/1200 and didn't build a single muta until he had already lost among other awful mistakes. In this last game, he tech'd up to hive almost immediately and then sat on ling bane ravager for almost the entire game while also constantly losing his only overseer and taking massive damage to mines. He just looked bad.
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On July 18 2020 15:49 v1p3r52 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 15:47 serralfan18 wrote: Anyone know why Life isn't in the hype video for being the first royal reader in the gsl? Cos he got banned
What did he do that GSL banned him? Map hacked or something?
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wow insane how the bracket played out that we get the TY-Parting rematch again :D
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On July 18 2020 16:16 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 16:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Submarine's a very hard map for ZvT. I wonder what Dark's veto strategy was. Maybe he doesn't mind it as much as most zerg since he's a fan of the ravager push. He vetoed in the first time around though. And he did go for the roach attack.
Looking it up Dark won their previous two encounters on Submarine so there was a reason to play it.
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On July 18 2020 16:19 serralfan18 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 15:49 v1p3r52 wrote:On July 18 2020 15:47 serralfan18 wrote: Anyone know why Life isn't in the hype video for being the first royal reader in the gsl? Cos he got banned What did he do that GSL banned him? Map hacked or something?
Were you not around for the big matchfixing scandal a few years back?
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glad INnoVation made it out but it's a shame that Dark has kind of fallen off. He doesn't really look like a top 10 player anymore tbh.
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On July 18 2020 16:22 Anc13nt wrote: glad INnoVation made it out but it's a shame that Dark has kind of fallen off. He doesn't really look like a top 10 player anymore tbh.
At a guess I imagine his wrists are still bothering him. He was hospitalized a few months back, and since then he said on stream that he's not pushing himself too hard to avoid aggravating the injury.
Or maybe he's fully healed and just slumping like a normal person, who knows.
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On July 18 2020 16:22 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 16:22 Anc13nt wrote: glad INnoVation made it out but it's a shame that Dark has kind of fallen off. He doesn't really look like a top 10 player anymore tbh. At a guess I imagine his wrists are still bothering him. He was hospitalized a few months back, and since then he said on stream that he's not pushing himself too hard to avoid aggravating the injury.
makes sense that he is planning long term. he's one of the younger players so it's a sacrifice worth making. That said, I feel like the korean zergs have fallen off quite badly and it seems pretty to me that Reynor and Serral are the best zergs and probably the best players atm if I'm being honest.
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I caught the last game and Dark played pretty poopy. Hopefuly it's just a rough patch (pun unintended) and not carpal tunnel.
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Inno machine learning calculated that 2nd place has ez-man bracket
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On July 18 2020 16:25 Anc13nt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 16:22 pvsnp wrote:On July 18 2020 16:22 Anc13nt wrote: glad INnoVation made it out but it's a shame that Dark has kind of fallen off. He doesn't really look like a top 10 player anymore tbh. At a guess I imagine his wrists are still bothering him. He was hospitalized a few months back, and since then he said on stream that he's not pushing himself too hard to avoid aggravating the injury. makes sense that he is planning long term. he's one of the younger players so it's a sacrifice worth making. That said, I feel like the korean zergs have fallen off quite badly and it seems pretty to me that Reynor and Serral are the best zergs and probably the best players atm if I'm being honest.
I mean EU doesn't have terrans or protosses on the same level as their zergs, so neither of them are going to fall off any time soon until the other two races over there figure out how to close the gap.
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Dark looking pretty poor. Especially compared to that Bo5 against Maru.
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I kinda pains me to hear Tasteless said that Dark has been the best Korean zerg since the second half of 2019 since well Rogue won GSL S3 2019 and Katowice 2020. But i guess Tasteless doesn't watch SC2 anymore outside the matches he get paid to cast
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I really didn't think we'd get parting of all protosses in the ro8 (esp after His Play in dh), tho i also think inno threw Game 1 vs him pretty hard by taking some atrocious fights.
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On July 18 2020 18:32 Argonauta wrote: I kinda pains me to hear Tasteless said that Dark has been the best Korean zerg since the second half of 2019 since well Rogue won GSL S3 2019 and Katowice 2020. But i guess Tasteless doesn't watch SC2 anymore outside the matches he get paid to cast Rogue has individual tournament runs that are amazing, but in between he does terribly. Like this year winning Katowice and getting eliminated in the first round of Code S and not getting into the Super Tournament at all. Don't think it's that much of a stretch when Tasteless calls the more consistent player who also has tournament wins in the same time span (including Blizzcon) better.
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On July 18 2020 18:52 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 18:32 Argonauta wrote: I kinda pains me to hear Tasteless said that Dark has been the best Korean zerg since the second half of 2019 since well Rogue won GSL S3 2019 and Katowice 2020. But i guess Tasteless doesn't watch SC2 anymore outside the matches he get paid to cast Rogue has individual tournament runs that are amazing, but in between he does terribly. Like this year winning Katowice and getting eliminated in the first round of Code S and not getting into the Super Tournament at all. Don't think it's that much of a stretch when Tasteless calls the more consistent player who also has tournament wins in the same time span (including Blizzcon) better.
for Rogue it's usually ro32, ro8 or win lol
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The first game of Parting/inno was so great. The tvz were pretty lames, not a great showing for Dark.
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On July 18 2020 18:52 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 18:32 Argonauta wrote: I kinda pains me to hear Tasteless said that Dark has been the best Korean zerg since the second half of 2019 since well Rogue won GSL S3 2019 and Katowice 2020. But i guess Tasteless doesn't watch SC2 anymore outside the matches he get paid to cast Rogue has individual tournament runs that are amazing, but in between he does terribly. Like this year winning Katowice and getting eliminated in the first round of Code S and not getting into the Super Tournament at all. Don't think it's that much of a stretch when Tasteless calls the more consistent player who also has tournament wins in the same time span (including Blizzcon) better.
True, but besides Blizzcon, Dark hasnt enjoy thatm uch success neither since his GSL
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On July 18 2020 19:54 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 18:52 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2020 18:32 Argonauta wrote: I kinda pains me to hear Tasteless said that Dark has been the best Korean zerg since the second half of 2019 since well Rogue won GSL S3 2019 and Katowice 2020. But i guess Tasteless doesn't watch SC2 anymore outside the matches he get paid to cast Rogue has individual tournament runs that are amazing, but in between he does terribly. Like this year winning Katowice and getting eliminated in the first round of Code S and not getting into the Super Tournament at all. Don't think it's that much of a stretch when Tasteless calls the more consistent player who also has tournament wins in the same time span (including Blizzcon) better. True, but besides Blizzcon, Dark hasnt enjoy thatm uch success neither since his GSL
I think that's a normal "success cadence" for most of SC2 history—Maru + Serral in 2018-2019 has just really skewed our perception.
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Dark smashed his way through Super Tournament, just edged out by Maru and finished 2nd.
It's a bit unfortunate that Dark had to meet Inno twice. Kudos to Parting defeating Inno, but PvT overall right now just looks... wonky and coin-flippy ala high-stakes poker due to Toss' AoE damage (nothing about balance, just saying that the games tend to hinge on 1-2 major engagements... then again, that's arguably the whole life story of SC2 PvT).
Hard to tell who would've won between Dark and Parting. Probably somewhat even.
So I don't think the results are too unexpected, the way they turned out. If Parting had lost to Inno and won Dark to clinch the spot, I would have been more surprised and convinced that Dark is 'slumping'....
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On July 18 2020 18:32 Argonauta wrote: I kinda pains me to hear Tasteless said that Dark has been the best Korean zerg since the second half of 2019 since well Rogue won GSL S3 2019 and Katowice 2020. But i guess Tasteless doesn't watch SC2 anymore outside the matches he get paid to cast
Perhaps Rogue had some kind of bad "aura" ie his play styles that made spectators hated him so much that they never wished to put him as the top 3 best Zerg players either in 2019 or 2020 even though he kept winning the big tourneys.
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On July 18 2020 21:19 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 18:32 Argonauta wrote: I kinda pains me to hear Tasteless said that Dark has been the best Korean zerg since the second half of 2019 since well Rogue won GSL S3 2019 and Katowice 2020. But i guess Tasteless doesn't watch SC2 anymore outside the matches he get paid to cast Perhaps Rogue has some kind of bad "aura" ie his play styles that make spectators hated him so much that they never wished to put him as the top 3 best Zerg players either in 2019 or 2020 even though he kept winning the big tourneys.
It's more about the perception that he is a patchzerg whereas Dark has been consistently one of the best Zergs since 2016. Also he is often a very inconsistent player as people have said. Take early 2020 for example, he went and won Katowice only to lose in the first round of the gsl. When he won GSL season 3 last year he then got knocked out in the first round of the Super Tournament and then was knocked out in the quarterfinals of Blizzcon.
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Wow Dark not in Ro8. I’m bummed. Though I’m also happy Inno and Parting made it
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On July 18 2020 16:15 pvsnp wrote: Yknow I was gonna say that Inno keeps going for allins because he must think he can't win a macro game. Then he goes and dominates a macro game.
Also, I kinda suspect that Inno is very happy to be facing DRG instead of TY in the Ro8. Yeah I'm expecting a clean 3-0 in that game...
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On July 18 2020 16:17 Shathe wrote: Remember when Dark had the best ZvT in the world and didnt lose to anyone for more than a year? Well thats gone. Obviously Terran is stronger now, but still pretty surprising.
Inno has had Dark's number for years.
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On July 18 2020 23:27 tskarzyn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 16:17 Shathe wrote: Remember when Dark had the best ZvT in the world and didnt lose to anyone for more than a year? Well thats gone. Obviously Terran is stronger now, but still pretty surprising. Inno has had Dark's number for years. Dark is one of Inno's biggest nemeses, just check Aligulac. Dark won almost every series between them in LotV, this year is the first where he's mostly losing.
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Some interesting games today! To be honest I enjoyed most of the series, but I have to admit I was rooting against Parting, but he played pretty good PvT! Super hyped for the rematch between him and TY though, I feel like he tiled at least 2 games the last time they met...
Dark I would've loved for him to advance but the match up between Inno and DRG is really exciting
Ro8 shaping up to be great!
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Because I could not watch it live, the performance of Tasteless is just... mindblowing... just focus on game 1: it's like a mod telling you in soccer during a 0:3 ... "yeah trust me they are coming back"... Quote:"I think like Innovation is overextending" and going on like this... Artosis tried to save him like hell... Even telling him that theres a +2 upgrade advantage... ofc everyone saw Inno crushing it... I just wanna see what he did...
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