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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33706 Posts
July 04 2020 06:09 GMT
#161
What's the opposite of noregret? Onlyregret?
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-04 06:11:22
July 04 2020 06:10 GMT
#162
If I remember right, the way that Parting lost using battery rush was when the opponent immediately built 4 spines, and the spine strategy held it comfortably. Scarlett couldn't do that due to no spawning pool so she was forced to go ravager. She had already invested in the roach warren and didn't have money for more than one spine before the pool died.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 04 2020 06:10 GMT
#163
Prince seems to have all the right ideas but his execution is kinda lacking.
Denominator of the Universe
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Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
July 04 2020 06:10 GMT
#164
If he had one ground upgrade, he would have won
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
July 04 2020 06:10 GMT
#165
If Prince executed any of this game better, he would've won it like 100 billion times
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
July 04 2020 06:10 GMT
#166
PartinG is having an aneurysm watching Prince's Prism control
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 04 2020 06:11 GMT
#167
On July 04 2020 15:07 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2020 15:01 Ej_ wrote:
On July 04 2020 15:00 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On July 04 2020 14:58 Ej_ wrote:
On July 04 2020 14:57 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I dunno how y'all feel about it but I think proxy shield battery rushes are the most powerful build in the game right now

If that was case, PvZ wouldn't be below 50% for the last 4 years or so.

When performed by someone with good micro like PartinG it seems practically unbeatable, only counter is 12 pool or something to stop it from getting up to begin with. When good players do it they don't even need to cannon the natural, they'll just do it outside your base and win.

I saw Stephano beat Parting trying to cannon rush lmao

Furthermore, if a build is unbeatable, why don't progamers do it every game? Do they lack the expert knowledge?

It's not literally unbeatable but despite how long the build has been around it seems like Zergs just can't deal with it consistently. Some try nydus, some try mutas, most try ravagers, some try lings/queens, and there doesn't seem to be any strategy that beats it with any real consistency. It reminds me of immortal/sentry in 2012 where it's just so hard to hold even if you are aware its coming. If you do any build EVERY game people will just blind counter it, not that I have any idea what a blind counter would be.


I'm not sure anyone tries to defend cannon rushes into shield battery pushes with mutas.. And I'd argue that zergs do deal with it rather consistently. Some of the gateway and void ray oriented follow-ups (as opposed to the traditional immortal approach) are flavor of the month currently, but no doubt zerg will find a way to deal with it as usual.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 04 2020 06:12 GMT
#168
On July 04 2020 15:09 Waxangel wrote:
What's the opposite of noregret? Onlyregret?


Idra?
gg no re thx
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 04 2020 06:12 GMT
#169
Prince is the new Zerg bonjwa?
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
July 04 2020 06:12 GMT
#170
On July 04 2020 15:12 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2020 15:09 Waxangel wrote:
What's the opposite of noregret? Onlyregret?


Idra?

Ret
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
July 04 2020 06:13 GMT
#171
I don't think Prince has any detection
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
July 04 2020 06:13 GMT
#172
On July 04 2020 15:10 Solar424 wrote:
PartinG is having an aneurysm watching Prince's Prism control


lmfao
TL+ Member
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33706 Posts
July 04 2020 06:13 GMT
#173
Well I guess being a smart player with no hands can get you to 6200 MMR on Korea :o
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
IndyO
Profile Joined June 2012
392 Posts
July 04 2020 06:13 GMT
#174
I want Scarlett to win, but whenever theres an fun PvZ I feel Protoss loses.
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
July 04 2020 06:13 GMT
#175
This game has been ALL Prism targeting.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7799 Posts
July 04 2020 06:14 GMT
#176
On July 04 2020 15:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2020 15:07 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On July 04 2020 15:01 Ej_ wrote:
On July 04 2020 15:00 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On July 04 2020 14:58 Ej_ wrote:
On July 04 2020 14:57 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I dunno how y'all feel about it but I think proxy shield battery rushes are the most powerful build in the game right now

If that was case, PvZ wouldn't be below 50% for the last 4 years or so.

When performed by someone with good micro like PartinG it seems practically unbeatable, only counter is 12 pool or something to stop it from getting up to begin with. When good players do it they don't even need to cannon the natural, they'll just do it outside your base and win.

I saw Stephano beat Parting trying to cannon rush lmao

Furthermore, if a build is unbeatable, why don't progamers do it every game? Do they lack the expert knowledge?

It's not literally unbeatable but despite how long the build has been around it seems like Zergs just can't deal with it consistently. Some try nydus, some try mutas, most try ravagers, some try lings/queens, and there doesn't seem to be any strategy that beats it with any real consistency. It reminds me of immortal/sentry in 2012 where it's just so hard to hold even if you are aware its coming. If you do any build EVERY game people will just blind counter it, not that I have any idea what a blind counter would be.


I'm not sure anyone tries to defend cannon rushes into shield battery pushes with mutas.. And I'd argue that zergs do deal with it rather consistently. Some of the gateway and void ray oriented follow-ups (as opposed to the traditional immortal approach) are flavor of the month currently, but no doubt zerg will find a way to deal with it as usual.


RagnaroK likes to use mutas (if they cannon outside the natural that is), but he's also making the assumption that they'll go for immortals. The more gateway based ones aren't a dealbreaker in that scenario but it doesn't just insta win like if you manage to squeeze out mutas vs the pure immortal ones.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 04 2020 06:14 GMT
#177
On July 04 2020 15:13 IndyO wrote:
I want Scarlett to win, but whenever theres an fun PvZ I feel Protoss loses.

Well it just so happens that Protoss loses most of their games vs Zerg
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
July 04 2020 06:14 GMT
#178
somebody tell Prince that upgrades are good
¯\_(シ)_/¯
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
July 04 2020 06:15 GMT
#179
Prince has given me the confidence to become a pro gamer cos now I know I don't need good micro
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33706 Posts
July 04 2020 06:15 GMT
#180
On July 04 2020 15:15 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Prince has given me the confidence to become a pro gamer cos now I know I don't need good micro


technically he's classified as an "amateur" by the KR community

there's really no meaningful pro/amateur distinction in modern SC2
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